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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 28 2014 20:48 GMT
#11601
On November 28 2014 16:04 MCMcEmcee wrote:
ugh every deck in this Standard format feels like a pile of crap on the draw
if only any deck stuck out as not-garbage for this GP


UB is perfectly fine on the draw depending on the meta.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 28 2014 21:20 GMT
#11602
You guys already in San Antonio? I'm seeing if it's even worth going to the LGS tonight.
@MC
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 28 2014 21:57 GMT
#11603
On November 29 2014 05:48 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 16:04 MCMcEmcee wrote:
ugh every deck in this Standard format feels like a pile of crap on the draw
if only any deck stuck out as not-garbage for this GP


UB is perfectly fine on the draw depending on the meta.


Disagree, its very different on the play and draw. There's a reason why I added Nullifies and Ulcerates to that deck and also why I tried to max the discard spell; I needed to steal tempo from the match ups where tempo is king, every mid range deck. Just from playing the deck (no actual stats), I would say I get to turn 4 Dig on the play far more consistently than having to respond on turn 4 and never really getting to cast Dig until much later (usually 6). I am far more likely to turn 4 Vault if nothing is going on than turn 4 Dig on the draw. More than anything, turns 1-3 relies on how many tap lands I tend to draw.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 28 2014 22:49 GMT
#11604
I really wanted to go to SA, but finals start Monday.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 29 2014 05:23 GMT
#11605
On November 29 2014 06:20 Cixah wrote:
You guys already in San Antonio? I'm seeing if it's even worth going to the LGS tonight.
@MC

A bit late to reply but yeah most of us are in SA. Need to decide which deck to play lol
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 30 2014 05:43 GMT
#11606
Ugh this GP was one of the most poorly run events I've ever been to. That's San Antonio for you I guess.
No byes, died at 2-3. Lost the die roll three times, won one of those but got mana screwed against ur ensoul artifact having t1 ornithopter t2 ensoul all 3 games to get knocked out. Incidentally the players' meeting was at ~9:30-40 (30-40 minutes late) and I died in r5 at like 6:30pm.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 30 2014 05:51 GMT
#11607
On November 30 2014 14:43 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Ugh this GP was one of the most poorly run events I've ever been to. That's San Antonio for you I guess.
No byes, died at 2-3. Lost the die roll three times, won one of those but got mana screwed against ur ensoul artifact having t1 ornithopter t2 ensoul all 3 games to get knocked out. Incidentally the players' meeting was at ~9:30-40 (30-40 minutes late) and I died in r5 at like 6:30pm.


How awful. Kinda glad I didn't go then.
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 30 2014 06:00 GMT
#11608
I probably would have enjoyed it a bit more if I could ever draw a 4th land in my 36 mana source deck.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 30 2014 06:04 GMT
#11609
Atleast your brother didn't get you car impounded on thanksgiving? Haha, did anyone else run hot or did everyone bust?
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 06:07:54
November 30 2014 06:05 GMT
#11610
Everybody else had byes and also got to cast their spells so a bunch of houston people day 2'd. DT managed to come to San Antonio a day early and still not register on time lol
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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 07:50:55
November 30 2014 07:40 GMT
#11611
On November 29 2014 06:57 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:48 Shotcoder wrote:
On November 28 2014 16:04 MCMcEmcee wrote:
ugh every deck in this Standard format feels like a pile of crap on the draw
if only any deck stuck out as not-garbage for this GP


UB is perfectly fine on the draw depending on the meta.


Disagree, its very different on the play and draw. There's a reason why I added Nullifies and Ulcerates to that deck and also why I tried to max the discard spell; I needed to steal tempo from the match ups where tempo is king, every mid range deck. Just from playing the deck (no actual stats), I would say I get to turn 4 Dig on the play far more consistently than having to respond on turn 4 and never really getting to cast Dig until much later (usually 6). I am far more likely to turn 4 Vault if nothing is going on than turn 4 Dig on the draw. More than anything, turns 1-3 relies on how many tap lands I tend to draw.


Like I said it relies on the meta. If I was in a meta full of Mono Green, GB Devotion, Abzan or Mardu Midrange, I wouldn't be upset with the draw. Now if it was a Mardu Aggro or UW Heroic Meta I would much prefer the play as you can answer them as theyre tapped out depending on your lands of course.

Edit: I use those 4 decks because they seem more relevant and people arent playing UB/UW/Esper as much as they probably should.

Edit2: One of the most annoying things about playing control is watching you opponent hit their land drops perfectly up to 6, and you miss land drops on turn 4, 5, 7, 9, and 10 when you play 27 and they play 23. I actually think the worst part is that the game still feels winnable even when they curve out perfectly that way and the only thing holding you back is the fact you missed those land drops. UB is so strong but it definite just raw ass a lot of the time. I played 2 divination and 2 Nullify but I think I'm putting my aetherspouts back in the deck and maybe the Silence the Believers too.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 20:35:58
December 01 2014 20:35 GMT
#11612
Walgreens has Buy One Get One Free on all MTG cards. Each store seems to have different products but I've found 2015 Core packs, Khan packs, various starter decks, and some Commander boxes. Walmart will price match BOGO, too, so you could also pick up some more variety there (assuming your Walmart manager isn't a dick, like mine is, and refuses to honor their price match policy).

Valid through this weekend but they will probably be sold out by tonight. Comes out to $2/pack.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 02 2014 09:44 GMT
#11613
World Magic Cup has started for those interested.


http://www.twitch.tv/magic
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 14:24:47
December 02 2014 12:03 GMT
#11614
That's hilarious. Ivan Floch wanted to draft storm, but didn't get any actual finishers for the deck (zero brainfreeze, tendrils, etc.), so he's playing a weird storm/turbofog deck with his only win condition being Palinchron, Krosan Tusker and Elvish Abberation beatdown. :D He loses game 1 awfully to Ichikawa, turn 2 starts and Floch curves Wild Mongrel into Simian Grunts into Killer Whale and wins easily. Like... what? Why does he not maindeck that stuff?

This is his maindeck:
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e: He went 2-1 with that pile of a deck. And the one match he lost was a pretty close-ish 1-2 loss. What a guy. :D
super gg
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
December 04 2014 12:13 GMT
#11615
So. Scapeshift, Delver, or the new Ascendancy combo deck for GP Milan ? Shit's hard
The legend of Darien lives on
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 04 2014 13:03 GMT
#11616
On December 04 2014 21:13 mr_tolkien wrote:
So. Scapeshift, Delver, or the new Ascendancy combo deck for GP Milan ? Shit's hard


Play Yard Hate, acquire wins.

I think there are quite a few people going to be on Ascendancy. Thoughtsieze decks might not be the worst either.
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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
December 04 2014 14:23 GMT
#11617
Right, so I was planning on going to my first FNM this week. It's standard, but I'm not completely sure if I made my deck before or after the current Standard cut off. What's the easiest way to check? I could check the card icons but with them sometimes releasing cards from old sets in new sets I'm not sure that's fool proof.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 04 2014 14:31 GMT
#11618
On December 04 2014 23:23 Mikau wrote:
Right, so I was planning on going to my first FNM this week. It's standard, but I'm not completely sure if I made my deck before or after the current Standard cut off. What's the easiest way to check? I could check the card icons but with them sometimes releasing cards from old sets in new sets I'm not sure that's fool proof.

I use http://deckstats.net/ when I'm making decks on Cockatrice as it's built-in and it will check what formats it's legal in. I think almost every online deckbuilder website will have the check function.
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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 14:39:22
December 04 2014 14:39 GMT
#11619
On December 04 2014 23:31 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 23:23 Mikau wrote:
Right, so I was planning on going to my first FNM this week. It's standard, but I'm not completely sure if I made my deck before or after the current Standard cut off. What's the easiest way to check? I could check the card icons but with them sometimes releasing cards from old sets in new sets I'm not sure that's fool proof.

I use http://deckstats.net/ when I'm making decks on Cockatrice as it's built-in and it will check what formats it's legal in. I think almost every online deckbuilder website will have the check function.

Thanks.

Apparently pretty much none of my cards are Standard legal. So either I wait for a Draft/Modern FNM to come up, or I try my luck with one of those starter/'noob' decks they sell. I don't really care about losing (or even getting destroyed), because that will likely happen even if I play with a top tier deck because I literally have 5 games worth of M:tG experience. I just want to get some experience under my belt and hopefully meet some fun new people.
Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
December 04 2014 14:48 GMT
#11620
On December 04 2014 23:39 Mikau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 23:31 mordek wrote:
On December 04 2014 23:23 Mikau wrote:
Right, so I was planning on going to my first FNM this week. It's standard, but I'm not completely sure if I made my deck before or after the current Standard cut off. What's the easiest way to check? I could check the card icons but with them sometimes releasing cards from old sets in new sets I'm not sure that's fool proof.

I use http://deckstats.net/ when I'm making decks on Cockatrice as it's built-in and it will check what formats it's legal in. I think almost every online deckbuilder website will have the check function.

Thanks.

Apparently pretty much none of my cards are Standard legal. So either I wait for a Draft/Modern FNM to come up, or I try my luck with one of those starter/'noob' decks they sell. I don't really care about losing (or even getting destroyed), because that will likely happen even if I play with a top tier deck because I literally have 5 games worth of M:tG experience. I just want to get some experience under my belt and hopefully meet some fun new people.


Whereabouts do you live? You can always ask people in your local community, possibly someone will have a spare deck that you can use.
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