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EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
September 11 2013 04:53 GMT
#8961
forgot about the snap interaction--damn thats good. however, i shouldn't spoil myself as both the angel and snaps will kiss goodbye come soon enough. surely the deck can still support itself without them..
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 11 2013 05:59 GMT
#8962
On September 11 2013 10:30 EMIYA wrote:
would a UW control deck work without angels of restoration? i dont have any on me, and dont feel like buying them when they are going to rotate out in a few weeks.


Depends how many 187 creatures you run.

+ Show Spoiler +
Is 187 creature still a term?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
September 11 2013 06:40 GMT
#8963
On September 11 2013 14:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 10:30 EMIYA wrote:
would a UW control deck work without angels of restoration? i dont have any on me, and dont feel like buying them when they are going to rotate out in a few weeks.


Depends how many 187 creatures you run.

+ Show Spoiler +
Is 187 creature still a term?


Can't say I've ever heard it...
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 11 2013 13:52 GMT
#8964
Gah, all these new spoilers make me want to stick to B/W.

So many good low cost humans that can make Xathrid Necromancer lots of fun.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 11 2013 14:21 GMT
#8965
On September 11 2013 15:40 Audemed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 14:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 11 2013 10:30 EMIYA wrote:
would a UW control deck work without angels of restoration? i dont have any on me, and dont feel like buying them when they are going to rotate out in a few weeks.


Depends how many 187 creatures you run.

+ Show Spoiler +
Is 187 creature still a term?


Can't say I've ever heard it...

187 = ETB Effects. Originally it meant destroy a creature ETB effects but now it sort of encompasses any ETB effect.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 11 2013 14:53 GMT
#8966
Stems from Nekrataal having card # 187 in the set it was first released I believe.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
September 11 2013 15:23 GMT
#8967
On September 11 2013 23:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Stems from Nekrataal having card # 187 in the set it was first released I believe.


Huh. Police code for murder, so I assumed it was something like Gatekeeper of Malakir or Bone Shredders.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 11 2013 15:40 GMT
#8968
On September 11 2013 15:40 Audemed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 14:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 11 2013 10:30 EMIYA wrote:
would a UW control deck work without angels of restoration? i dont have any on me, and dont feel like buying them when they are going to rotate out in a few weeks.


Depends how many 187 creatures you run.

+ Show Spoiler +
Is 187 creature still a term?


Can't say I've ever heard it...


I have reached old fart territory...

I need to bring some kid with me to card shops so people will think I'm a dad and not some sleezeball hanging out with 13 year olds playing card games.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
September 11 2013 15:49 GMT
#8969
On September 12 2013 00:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 15:40 Audemed wrote:
On September 11 2013 14:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 11 2013 10:30 EMIYA wrote:
would a UW control deck work without angels of restoration? i dont have any on me, and dont feel like buying them when they are going to rotate out in a few weeks.


Depends how many 187 creatures you run.

+ Show Spoiler +
Is 187 creature still a term?


Can't say I've ever heard it...


I have reached old fart territory...

I need to bring some kid with me to card shops so people will think I'm a dad and not some sleezeball hanging out with 13 year olds playing card games.


Strange, most of the people here are around 20 or more.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 11 2013 16:39 GMT
#8970
On September 12 2013 00:23 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 23:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Stems from Nekrataal having card # 187 in the set it was first released I believe.


Huh. Police code for murder, so I assumed it was something like Gatekeeper of Malakir or Bone Shredders.


That's right. It's because Nekrataal etc. kill the creature, and for what it's worth, I never heard the term until at least Urza block if not later. I find it to be kind of stupid. More often, they're just called CIP creatures or ETB creatures now.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 16:43:51
September 11 2013 16:39 GMT
#8971
On September 12 2013 00:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 15:40 Audemed wrote:
On September 11 2013 14:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 11 2013 10:30 EMIYA wrote:
would a UW control deck work without angels of restoration? i dont have any on me, and dont feel like buying them when they are going to rotate out in a few weeks.


Depends how many 187 creatures you run.

+ Show Spoiler +
Is 187 creature still a term?


Can't say I've ever heard it...


I have reached old fart territory...

I need to bring some kid with me to card shops so people will think I'm a dad and not some sleezeball hanging out with 13 year olds playing card games.


Luckily the population has aged as well. At least half of the 100+ people at the latest prerelease were drinking alcohol.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
September 11 2013 16:43 GMT
#8972
On September 12 2013 01:39 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 00:23 Crownlol wrote:
On September 11 2013 23:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Stems from Nekrataal having card # 187 in the set it was first released I believe.


Huh. Police code for murder, so I assumed it was something like Gatekeeper of Malakir or Bone Shredders.


That's right. It's because Nekrataal etc. kill the creature, and for what it's worth, I never heard the term until at least Urza block if not later. I find it to be kind of stupid. More often, they're just called CIP creatures or ETB creatures now.


Damn, it's too bad Nekrataal isn't a Vampire.

My Vamps deck has been wrecking face lately, maybe coulda found a place for him.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 11 2013 16:49 GMT
#8973
On September 12 2013 01:39 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 00:23 Crownlol wrote:
On September 11 2013 23:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Stems from Nekrataal having card # 187 in the set it was first released I believe.


Huh. Police code for murder, so I assumed it was something like Gatekeeper of Malakir or Bone Shredders.


That's right. It's because Nekrataal etc. kill the creature, and for what it's worth, I never heard the term until at least Urza block if not later. I find it to be kind of stupid. More often, they're just called CIP creatures or ETB creatures now.


Was so confused first I heard it since it was in reference to the sex monkey

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Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 12 2013 03:55 GMT
#8974
Where do you guys do online drafts? NetDraft looks way out of date.

Related, do you guys get together at any particular time to do online drafts?

Did my first draft in forever (i havent played much mtg since tempest block) this past weekend, did alright - the biggest mistake i made was letting a sengir vampire pass by (i dont even remember what i pulled out of that pack) when i was in green + black, and then finding myself kinda low on killing power.
Riyomori
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore316 Posts
September 12 2013 05:43 GMT
#8975
Magic Online is the best place to do drafts tbh. You do have to pay for packs and stuff but there are drafts firing all day whenever and wherever you're from. Think the skill level is higher too?
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
September 12 2013 08:30 GMT
#8976
Here's a deck I've been using as my first "litmus test" for any other brew I've come up with as new Standard approaches. My reasoning being, if it can't beat this deck (or a type of deck like it) for the first few weeks of upcoming Standard, it's not worth putting more work/effort into it. I've thrown a fair bit of brews against it so far, and it just laughs at all of them. So either the brews are really bad, or this deck is pretty good... Or both.

+ Show Spoiler +

4x Ash Zealot
4x Boros Reckoner
3x Purphoros, God of the Forge
3x Stormbreath Dragon
4x Chandra's Phoenix

2x Hammer of Purphoros
3x Assemble the Legion
3x Chandra, Pyromaster


3x Lightning Strike
4x Magma Jet
3x Boros Charm
1x Aurelia's Fury

4x Sacred Foundry
9x Mountain
2x Mutavault
4x Plains
4x Temple of Triumph

Sideboard

3x Chained to the Rocks

3x Anger of the Gods
3x Shock
1x Boros Charm
3x Warleader's Helix

2x Aurelia, the Warleader
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 09:12:49
September 12 2013 09:04 GMT
#8977
Here's a deck I've been using as my first "litmus test" for any other brew I've come up with as new Standard approaches. My reasoning being, if it can't beat this deck (or a type of deck like it) for the first few weeks of upcoming Standard, it's not worth putting more work/effort into it. I've thrown a fair bit of brews against it so far, and it just laughs at all of them. So either the brews are really bad, or this deck is pretty good... Or both.


(I realise you're using this as a beat test, but it needs to be tuned harder coz it's actually pretty weak/unfocused)

looks pretty solid, but seems kinda junk-ey (in the original sense of 'all the good stuff' over any real synergy)

Assemble the legion won't be great because a) it takes time to tick up, b) there's gonna be a lot of enchantment hate flying around now and you don't have tools to bait it out.


If you're going for the hyper-beat down shell (phoenix/zealot/boros charm/chandra/fury) you probably want 4 drops like spark trooper. I think switching the dragons out for those might do you better (the dragon is super iffy given it dies to mortars/boros charm nicely). you also want to be switching the assembles for rakdos cacklers or some other one drops to give you turn one mana use. Since you already have haste on most of your relevant creatures, I'd consider swapping the hammer for heliod's spear. The +1/+1 is far more relevant for your team and it lets you win those edge battles better. The hammer is amazing, but with 8 hasty dudes already, you're going to be holding it redundant a lot of the time. The god weapons are also going to be pretty easy to remove, so if you don't get value out of it straight away, it's very likely they'll hold mana to pop it in case of purphoros next turn and you're stuck with a pretty dead card.

I realize you're looking to get purphoros turned on Asap, but with your team as it stands that won't be a problem. You want to be doing stuff with every card the turn it hits the battlefield. As such, in a sense, purphoros isn't best suited to the deck because you won't be getting anything out of him straight away, but he's hard to get rid of and is a huge threat next turn, so I think he's still well worth playing in that slot.

As a final consideration, I'd float flames of the firebrand over lightning strike. You have a lot of point removal already in jet/charm, and having something that can force your opponent to respect 2-for-1s in the deck will make it a lot more threatening. If you're using to to just go to the dome, it's not much of a downgrade, and the utility and threat it gives you is excellent. You have to remember that sorceries are only bad in isolation. Having both instants and sorceries give you a more versatile, efficient deck in a lot of cases. Instants to deal with critical threats and provide EOT threat, sorceries to punish your opponent for attempting to flood past your instant capabilties.

remember that with any deck this aggressive, having a couple of bolts left on turn 5 is just as powerful a win condition as assemble the legion, since you'll probably be both down very low.
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
September 12 2013 09:15 GMT
#8978
does it bother anyone else (flavor wise) that they allowed the following:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=145143&d=1378094606

to be unable to block:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=145087&d=1378001253

???
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 12 2013 13:48 GMT
#8979
To the people testing for Standard post-rotation, stop. You have still a considerable amount of cards left to be spoiled and you are certainly wasting your time.
Get it by your hands...
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 14:00:22
September 12 2013 13:57 GMT
#8980
So I decided to sell most of my valuable paper magic cards to a guy I know, but I'm not sure what % of SCG prices I should be looking to get for some of these cards.
Anyone have any insight? Gonna be sad to see some of these cards go, took me a long ass time to find some of them, but oh well. Here's the outgoing collection for those interested:

1x Jace the Mind Sculptor Foil
1x Liliana of the Veil Foil
1x Sol Ring Foil *Judge Promo*
4x Force of Will
2x Snapcaster Mage Foil
1x Crucible of Worlds Foil *Fifth Dawn*
1x Damnation Foil *Planar Chaos*
1x Academy Ruins Foil *Time Spiral*
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Scalding Tarn
1x Sensei's Divining Top Foil *From the Vault*
1x Mox Opal
1x Arid Mesa
1x Mox Diamond Foil *From the Vault*
1x Marsh Flats
2x Vesuva Foil
1x Blightsteel Colossus Foil
1x Emrakul The Aeons Torn Foil *promo*
1x Aether Vial Foil *From the Vault*
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Phyrexian Obliterator Foil
1x Wurmcoil Engine Foil *Pack Foil*
1x Child of Alara Foil
2x Glimpse the Unthinkable
1x Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Iona Shield of Emeria
1x Elspeth, Knight Errant uel Deck Promo Foil*
1x Mycosynth Golem Foil
1x Geist of Saint Traft
1x Godsire Foil
1x Platinum Angel Foil *m10*
2x Cavern of Souls
1x Seat of the Synod Foil
2x Master Transmuter Foil
1x Mindslaver Foil *Mirrodin*
1x Expedition Map Foil
1x Lightning Bolt Foil *m10*

2x Thundermaw Hellkite
2x Blood Baron of Vizkopa
1x Griselbrand
1x Bonfire of the Damned

4x Clifftop Retreat
4x Sulfur Falls
4x Hinterland Harbor
4x Isolated Chapel
2x Drowned catacomb
3x Glacial fortress
4x Rootbound craig (one of which is slightly played)
4x Dragonskull summit
6x Teramorphic expanse
10x Ghost quarter
6x Evolving wilds
1x Gavony township
5x Reliquary tower

*and then a whole lot of bulk junk rares*
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
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