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Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
September 09 2013 07:36 GMT
#8901
I know this probably isn't supposed to be a brag thread, but I'm really proud of myself. I watched a bunch of draft videos, drafted a little RTR block with friends helping me out, but always went like 1-2 and generally felt like I didn't really know what was going on. After drafting another disappointing deck with a friend yesterday, I found myself with a few hours free today and decided I'd give it a shot on my own.

I put together some kind of weird black flier/vampire deck with red for chandra's outrage and aggro creatures.

+ Show Spoiler +
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I feel like for the first time I really correctly prioritized removal and made good decisions on what to pick based on the playables I already had, which led to pulling off some of the cool sacrifice stuff black can do in a few of my games.

Anyway, I went 3-0 and even managed to pick up a scavenging ooze for extra value! All my games just felt so solid, for the first time it felt like I was actually playing a deck instead of just a random bunch of decent cards I managed to cobble together. I'm pretty pumped to keep learning m14 and how to draft decent decks, now that it looks like I might be starting to get the hang of it!
:3
FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 08:12:25
September 09 2013 08:10 GMT
#8902
Congrats! Would have been cool to see a few more sac outlets to make the most of the tenacious deads, and I personally dislike tutor, Vampire Warlord, and some of the other cards, but the results speak for themselves. Double doomblade and chandra's outrage is pretty sick. Good black cards to watch out for that I don't see there are liturgy of blood, Accursed Spirit, Deathgaze Cockatrice (all commons I think) to name a few.

And yeah, it's exciting to feel that you are actually kind of learning, not only a set, but how to draft in general. Make sure to put it to good use once Theros is out, which is super soon!

EDIT: Also agree with Sly from page before, not sure what I was thinking, Hydra over Archangel. Still mixed about Hydra over Garruk. He is just so gross in Draft/Sealed. But you're probably right.
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
September 09 2013 08:43 GMT
#8903
Ya, tutor isnt great unless you have an insane bomb. The curve is definitely a little high. Three shades is really awkward with so many 6 drops since the great thing about shade is play him then next turn pump 3 times. Id try to lower curve and definitely pick act of treason pretty high since it's one of the main reasons to play BR.
Riyomori
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore316 Posts
September 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#8904
Looking to move into Constructed this new Standard season with Red Deck Wins (cheap start :D). Anyone else running it post rotation? Would love some advice as to what to get before the the new block comes in
braller
Profile Joined January 2013
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 10:29:28
September 09 2013 10:29 GMT
#8905
Diabolic Tutor is absolutely worth it when you have double Doom Blade. Normally, the tempo loss means that it's a dubious card to run, but being able to fetch up a cheap removal spell makes it very good (obviously you also want to have powerful threats to search for; Sengir Vampire certainly qualifies there).
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 12:48:16
September 09 2013 12:47 GMT
#8906
I feel like M14 is one of the hardest sets to draft in a long time because the card quality is so fucking low across the board that it's hard to tell what's a signal. There's like 4 premium cards per color (except blue, that has damn near every card being at least fringe playable) and the drop off is pretty damn steep.

While I appreciate the challenge, playing with such low powered shit isn't fun for me, and all the fun little combos (Angelic Accord) are overdrafted.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 09 2013 18:29 GMT
#8907
On September 09 2013 19:29 braller wrote:
Diabolic Tutor is absolutely worth it when you have double Doom Blade. Normally, the tempo loss means that it's a dubious card to run, but being able to fetch up a cheap removal spell makes it very good (obviously you also want to have powerful threats to search for; Sengir Vampire certainly qualifies there).


3BBB cantrip removal is amazing [2BB Tutor + 1B Doomblade]

It's like having invasion's Annihilate that can be a Sengir Vampire when you don't need removal.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 09 2013 23:36 GMT
#8908
On September 10 2013 03:29 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 19:29 braller wrote:
Diabolic Tutor is absolutely worth it when you have double Doom Blade. Normally, the tempo loss means that it's a dubious card to run, but being able to fetch up a cheap removal spell makes it very good (obviously you also want to have powerful threats to search for; Sengir Vampire certainly qualifies there).


3BBB cantrip removal is amazing [2BB Tutor + 1B Doomblade]

It's like having invasion's Annihilate that can be a Sengir Vampire when you don't need removal.


What? It's not 3BBB cantrip removal, it's just 3BBB removal.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 23:54:57
September 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#8909
On September 09 2013 19:16 Riyomori wrote:
Looking to move into Constructed this new Standard season with Red Deck Wins (cheap start :D). Anyone else running it post rotation? Would love some advice as to what to get before the the new block comes in

Pick up 3 burning earth, 4 cacklers, mutavaults, shocks, firefists, and maybe reckoners as a backup plan. I don't think rdw has anything else it could possibly want out of rtr/m14. Battledriver is so bad...
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Zeller
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States1109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 01:21:12
September 10 2013 01:20 GMT
#8910
Question, are multicolored cards considered both the colors it costs to play them?

For example...

My opponent has "Fiendslayer Paladin" in play
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and I cast "Ground Assault" on the Fiendslayer
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My opponent argued that I can not target Fiendslayer because Ground Assault is a green and red spell. Is that accurate? I thought it was a "gold" card.

Thank you for any help.
Last.Epic , Epic[LighT]
Riyomori
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore316 Posts
September 10 2013 01:25 GMT
#8911
yup its both a green and red card
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 02:20:31
September 10 2013 02:07 GMT
#8912
On September 10 2013 08:36 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:29 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 09 2013 19:29 braller wrote:
Diabolic Tutor is absolutely worth it when you have double Doom Blade. Normally, the tempo loss means that it's a dubious card to run, but being able to fetch up a cheap removal spell makes it very good (obviously you also want to have powerful threats to search for; Sengir Vampire certainly qualifies there).


3BBB cantrip removal is amazing [2BB Tutor + 1B Doomblade]

It's like having invasion's Annihilate that can be a Sengir Vampire when you don't need removal.


What? It's not 3BBB cantrip removal, it's just 3BBB removal.


Right? At sorcery speed. I don't think it's bad, but if I'm running Diabolic Tutor, I'd want to be pulling out Colossal Whale or Jace's Phantasm to wrap a game that's already won. In M12, I liked it when I had real power: a Titan or a Sorin, even Fireball or Mind Control.

I wouldn't feel as good tutoring up an answer.

Edit: Jace's Mindseeker, doh.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
September 10 2013 04:12 GMT
#8913
Soooo dissolve looks good? 1UU counter spell, scry 1? I like it. I just want a draw spell now, would prefer instant, that says scry 1, draw a card. Give me that, wotc, and I will be happy
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
September 10 2013 04:16 GMT
#8914
On September 10 2013 13:12 FireSA wrote:
Soooo dissolve looks good? 1UU counter spell, scry 1? I like it. I just want a draw spell now, would prefer instant, that says scry 1, draw a card. Give me that, wotc, and I will be happy


Opt.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 10 2013 04:17 GMT
#8915
On September 10 2013 13:12 FireSA wrote:
Soooo dissolve looks good? 1UU counter spell, scry 1? I like it. I just want a draw spell now, would prefer instant, that says scry 1, draw a card. Give me that, wotc, and I will be happy


http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=preordain
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 10 2013 04:18 GMT
#8916
On September 10 2013 08:36 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:29 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 09 2013 19:29 braller wrote:
Diabolic Tutor is absolutely worth it when you have double Doom Blade. Normally, the tempo loss means that it's a dubious card to run, but being able to fetch up a cheap removal spell makes it very good (obviously you also want to have powerful threats to search for; Sengir Vampire certainly qualifies there).


3BBB cantrip removal is amazing [2BB Tutor + 1B Doomblade]

It's like having invasion's Annihilate that can be a Sengir Vampire when you don't need removal.


What? It's not 3BBB cantrip removal, it's just 3BBB removal.


I guess I consider anything that thins the deck a pseudo cantrip--personal interpretation.

Kind of like how fetchlands thin the deck.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
September 10 2013 04:20 GMT
#8917
On September 10 2013 13:17 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 13:12 FireSA wrote:
Soooo dissolve looks good? 1UU counter spell, scry 1? I like it. I just want a draw spell now, would prefer instant, that says scry 1, draw a card. Give me that, wotc, and I will be happy


http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=preordain


reprint this, make it scry 1, give it instant, make it uncommon. Done.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
September 10 2013 05:34 GMT
#8918
On September 10 2013 13:20 FireSA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 13:17 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 10 2013 13:12 FireSA wrote:
Soooo dissolve looks good? 1UU counter spell, scry 1? I like it. I just want a draw spell now, would prefer instant, that says scry 1, draw a card. Give me that, wotc, and I will be happy


http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=preordain


reprint this, make it scry 1, give it instant, make it uncommon. Done.


Hmmm, making that an instant would cause that to jump to rare, if you ask me. I dunno, it sounds like it's in the nebulous region between uncommon and rare. :-\ Dropping the scry or the draw would be fine for a 1-mana instant at uncommon.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
September 10 2013 05:41 GMT
#8919
Good Heliod, it's already a card: Opt.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 10 2013 05:45 GMT
#8920
On September 10 2013 14:41 slyboogie wrote:
Good Heliod, it's already a card: Opt.


I looked at that and I was like, wait a second I swear I've run a card that does just that before.
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