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On July 27 2017 17:25 Mun_Su wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2017 15:17 gdarky wrote:
It's looks like INno is playing TvT only, because of IEM and World vs Korea. Main games on the 2 big tournaments will be tvt. So may be it's root of the SSL problems. so you think he prepared a lot TvT ? I really hope it's that, but if he become TvT god to lose 2 times against Trust I'll be mad ^^
So i was right. Good tvt except first game vs Maru, where Maru show amazing understating of the match up.
Also, INnoVation have a problem in reaper defence, be cause he building hellion and making cyclone late.
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On July 28 2017 14:49 pvsnp wrote:
INnoVation smashing Maru 2-1 in what Artosis called "some of the best games of 2017." The games were truly amazing to watch live.
He stomped Trust 2-0 (wasn't broadcast but they showed a few clips), then beat Maru to advance in first.
do you have the links for theses clips my friend?
It's so good: waking up and checking with anxiety liquipedia to see if INno survived the TvT test and seing that !
Let's cheer for INno vs Iasonu in quarters and INno vs Dark in finals
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Si it's INnoVation vs herO in quarterfinals. He can do that, I hope herO won't adept him. Then TY will be the true test. FInal against soO should be a formality for him or TY.
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I think Inno should be able to make it, the match vs TY will be interesting though.
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Inno has a decent chance but not a super high one. He should be favored against herO since he beat him soundly in SSL and herO is looking pretty shaky as of late (also predictable aggression).
Inno vs TY will be the true test, and will probably be an epic 5-game macro series with amazing moves on both sides. I would say they are 50/50 right now, since TY has historically great TvT in 2017 but looked unimpressive against MajOr in GSL while Inno has historically poor (relatively speaking) TvT in 2017 but looked awesome against Maru yesterday.
If Inno can beat TY then he should have no problem winning against a Zerg (likely soO) or ByuN (if 3rax works) in the finals.
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Well ofc herO is pretty good but a ro8 definitely is disappointing. Too bad
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Pretty upset, but no need to feel bad. This IEM mostly for people to earn WCS points and Inno already has enought. One positive thing is his TvT finally back to the top again. Losing here to win more important tournaments later 
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Not sure if he can recover from this slump.
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Once again, dont call a player slump for losing against the arguably best Protoss in the world, in a close series which herO also cheesed a lot. If you know InnoVation, you would understand the problem is about his approach to the match up TvP, it's too timing heavy.
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On July 29 2017 19:11 ParksonVN wrote:
Once again, dont call a player slump for losing against the arguably best Protoss in the world, in a close series which herO also cheesed a lot. If you know InnoVation, you would understand the problem is about his approach to the match up TvP, it's too timing heavy.
How do you think TvP should be approached? (true question)
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On July 29 2017 22:07 Mun_Su wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 19:11 ParksonVN wrote:
Once again, dont call a player slump for losing against the arguably best Protoss in the world, in a close series which herO also cheesed a lot. If you know InnoVation, you would understand the problem is about his approach to the match up TvP, it's too timing heavy. How do you think TvP should be approached? (true question)
like what TY's doing, multi-pronged harass, weakening Protoss then fatal push. Inno's TvP is too predictable, wm drop following by mid-game pushes, it doesn't work against solid macro Protoss who take extremely early 3rd base and will have solid army/production by the time Terran push out.
It seems that Inno's TvT has been better recently, his TvZ is perfect as always, however his TvP is falling behind the meta.
And also I think Inno really needs to make adjustment of his CC first, 2 games he opened with CC first today, he lost both.
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On July 29 2017 22:57 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 22:07 Mun_Su wrote:On July 29 2017 19:11 ParksonVN wrote:
Once again, dont call a player slump for losing against the arguably best Protoss in the world, in a close series which herO also cheesed a lot. If you know InnoVation, you would understand the problem is about his approach to the match up TvP, it's too timing heavy. How do you think TvP should be approached? (true question) like what TY's doing, multi-pronged harass, weakening Protoss then fatal push. Inno's TvP is too predictable, wm drop following by mid-game pushes, it doesn't work against solid macro Protoss who take extremely early 3rd base and will have solid army/production by the time Terran push out. It seems that Inno's TvT has been better recently, his TvZ is perfect as always, however his TvP is falling behind the meta. And also I think Inno really needs to make adjustment of his CC first, 2 games he opened with CC first today, he lost both.
I also noticed that he seemed somewhat weak against early third base protoss but I didn't think it was a real thing.
You should PM him ^^
I Hope TY will crush herO tomorrow.
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On July 29 2017 19:11 ParksonVN wrote:
Once again, dont call a player slump for losing against the arguably best Protoss in the world, in a close series which herO also cheesed a lot. If you know InnoVation, you would understand the problem is about his approach to the match up TvP, it's too timing heavy.
I'm not, it was sarcasm but I understand why people might get confused about it.
I just find it funny how whenever Inno loses a series people think slump
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Seeing as herO also defeated TY 3-2, Inno losing with the same score is not really something I can fault him for. I just hope that he can work hard and improve his TvP in the next week, because he will likely face the winner of Stats vs herO in GSL vs the World.
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I just hate herO so fucking much woth that stupid playstyle of his
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On July 30 2017 17:32 Sakat wrote:
I just hate herO so fucking much woth that stupid playstyle of his
Cheese is called dirty for a reason. Guys like Inno and TY tend to play clean games, but guys like herO and sOs aren't nearly as honorable. To be fair, there are also clean P/Z players like Stats, Dark, etc.
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On July 30 2017 18:07 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2017 17:32 Sakat wrote:
I just hate herO so fucking much woth that stupid playstyle of his Cheese is called dirty for a reason. Guys like Inno and TY tend to play clean games, but guys like herO and sOs aren't nearly as honorable. To be fair, there are also clean P/Z players like Stats, Dark, etc.
Dark cheeses and all-ins all the time, he's just more likely to not die immediately if it fails than other Zerg players.
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On July 30 2017 18:12 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2017 18:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 30 2017 17:32 Sakat wrote:
I just hate herO so fucking much woth that stupid playstyle of his Cheese is called dirty for a reason. Guys like Inno and TY tend to play clean games, but guys like herO and sOs aren't nearly as honorable. To be fair, there are also clean P/Z players like Stats, Dark, etc. Dark cheeses and all-ins all the time, he's just more likely to not die immediately if it fails than other Zerg players.
Presumably because he commits less to the attack, thus making it not-so-allin. Dark can be plenty aggressive when it suits him and likes his timing attacks as much as anyone, don't get me wrong, but he definitely shines the most in the lategame.
As opposed to somebody like herO, who is perfectly capable of playing macro games (just look at the ones he played against TY, or his HotS style) but for whatever reason prefers to cheese.
At the end of the day, it's just a difference in playstyle and players play whatever style they think has the best chance of getting them a victory. But not all styles are created equal, and cheese is widely regarded as inferior to macro.
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On July 30 2017 18:53 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2017 18:12 Elentos wrote:On July 30 2017 18:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 30 2017 17:32 Sakat wrote:
I just hate herO so fucking much woth that stupid playstyle of his Cheese is called dirty for a reason. Guys like Inno and TY tend to play clean games, but guys like herO and sOs aren't nearly as honorable. To be fair, there are also clean P/Z players like Stats, Dark, etc. Dark cheeses and all-ins all the time, he's just more likely to not die immediately if it fails than other Zerg players. At the end of the day, it's just a difference in playstyle and players play whatever style they think has the best chance of getting them a victory. But not all styles are created equal, and cheese is widely regarded as inferior to macro.
Tell that to BoxeR!
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