EPTOn June 22 2017 07:41 Elentos wrote:
You people need better hobbies
You people need better hobbies
Well I am at work, so I'm being paid for my time
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pvsnp
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The_Red_Viper
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The point here is that the best way we have to compare Innovation to Zest (or any other player) are the results. It's objective and consistent that way. The context (aka making sure it's somewhat "fair") is added through the fact that both players played in korea in the same era. There is no absolute huge missing context like if we simply compared the number of titles of let's say Taeja and Zest. That would lack context. Again: If we could add even more data through a maybe sophisticated elo system (and thus somewhat quantify the difficulty of tournament runs) then i would be for it. But there is nothing like that and i simply don't trust a human to be able to be "objective" about that. Which was one of the bigger reasons i think stuchiu's goat list is flawed. (that's another topic though) | ||
Olli
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So you're never going to put together an objective argument. The very nature of this debate doesn't allow for it. Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. This got way more intense than I thought it would, and if anyone feels offended then I apologize for that. Zest ranks higher than INnoVation in the ever-subjective GOAT list for me. Have a good night! | ||
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pvsnp
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On June 22 2017 07:54 Olli wrote: Staying consistent with that logic, however, Starleagues cannot objectively be worth more than any other tournament win, because the reason why they're valued highly is entirely subjective and has always been - "preparation makes it harder and therefore more prestigious". So you're never going to put together an objective argument. The very nature of this debate doesn't allow for it. Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. This got way more intense than I thought it would, and if anyone feels offended then I apologize for that. Zest ranks higher than INnoVation in the ever-subjective GOAT list for me. Have a good night! Yep, no hard feelings here. Apologies if anyone else feels that way. Back to work then  Oh and @The_Red_Viper, if it wasn't implicit in my position, I wholeheartedly agree with just about everything you said. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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 About starleagues: Well my main point about them being more important/prestigious always was that the korean scene is the more competitive/skilled one. I think there is a lot of evidence for that. If we also add the preparation aspect, that part is obviously subjective to a degree. pvnsp i figured as much | ||
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ParksonVN
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Olli
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DieuCure
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Olli
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On June 22 2017 18:49 DieuCure wrote: People talk about GOAT on INnoVation's thread, Mvp's thread, Life's thread, but not on Zest's thread, maybe there is a reason. Yeah, the first two are commonly considered #1 and 2, and Innovation recently won a tournament, which sparked this. People talked about the same thing when Zest won his GSL last year. Recency bias in full effect. | ||
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gdarky
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pvsnp
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He has misspelled his own [user]name as "InoVation." *facepalm* | ||
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engesser1
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He has misspelled his own [user]name as "InoVation." *facepalm* you know all that chinese stuff ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WN0okFWiYBQ/TSAbEBInjEI/AAAAAAAAACY/x1gn6TDyYhk/s1600/3.jpg) | ||
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gdarky
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 But someone other create a channel and layout. | ||
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ZertoN
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pvsnp
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On June 29 2017 06:36 ZertoN wrote: the worst thing about moving on to panda --> much harder to see if he is live and no VODs Yeah, I don't think Panda has vods, but it's just as easy to follow on Panda as it is on Twitch? Why do you say it's harder? | ||
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ZertoN
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pvsnp
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On July 01 2017 04:14 ZertoN wrote: because you have to make a new account on a different website, and worst of all it's in chinese I dunno, I had no problems. But I guess if you didn't know Chinese it could be tricky. Inno beat Hurricane 3-0 today, and will face Leenock in the VSL Semifinals next week. Assuming he wins (it's Leenock), he will face the winner of soO vs Super (so probably soO) in the finals. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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ParksonVN
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