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dreadlordx
Profile Joined January 2012
United States80 Posts
December 17 2013 11:35 GMT
#501
On December 17 2013 20:32 HoMM wrote:
earlier than 4/24/2012 - initial purchase of coaching
4/24/2012 - he creates paypal dispute since lastshadow doesnt send promised coaching material, cancels dispute after lastshadow types it out on Skype

5-8/x/2012 - After that, he tries multiple times to set up coaching sessions with lastshadow, and in the timeframe of contacting him like 5+ times over many months, lastshadow is unable to set up a single coaching time. Until finally lastshadow says he's available sunday morning:

8/24/2012 - they try to set up a time for coaching and lastshadow doesn't show up. (inexcusable)
[8/24/2012 12:42:58 AM] Nick: early sunday morning
[8/24/2012 12:42:59 AM] Nick: is fine
[8/24/2012 10:16:44 AM] John C: sunday at 10am your time, works for me
[8/24/2012 10:16:50 AM] John C: please confirm
[8/26/2012 9:03:29 AM] John C: still meeting in an hour correct?
[8/26/2012 9:18:42 AM] John C: ......
[8/26/2012 10:00:33 AM] John C: ???
[8/26/2012 10:07:29 AM] John C: This is what I mean.... Where are you

After that, the relationship between those two goes even worse than before and the chatlog ends with them arguing, with lastshadow blaming the guy, and the guy trying to get a refund.

Clearly lastshadow is in the fault:
- Constant very late replies to any question (completely inexcusable)
- Inability to let the purchaser know when he's available to do coaching
- If you're unable to do coaching, a refund should be given



It is amazing how logic works. Thank you for posting that.
Play on Playa!!!!
dreadlordx
Profile Joined January 2012
United States80 Posts
December 17 2013 11:36 GMT
#502
On December 17 2013 20:32 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 06:14 Bakchiadai wrote:
Do not support Last Shadow, I bought a "coaching package from him" and still haven't gotten my coaching. He keeps coming up with an excuse or delays or changes the coaching dates and then gets extremely aggravated if you challenge him about this behaviour.

Whether he is actually trying to cheat ppl out of there money or just too busy for his students, the fact of the matter is that I bought 5 coaching sessions from him and only received ONE. UNO. I bought these lessons in August. Nuff said



Why would you buy coaching from someone who isn't even actively playing the game anymore?


I bought it well over a year ago when he was very active, and he refuseed to give it to me then. Look at the comment just above yours, it gives a very good example of the situation.
Play on Playa!!!!
HoMM
Profile Joined July 2010
Estonia635 Posts
December 17 2013 11:38 GMT
#503
On December 17 2013 20:32 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 06:14 Bakchiadai wrote:
Do not support Last Shadow, I bought a "coaching package from him" and still haven't gotten my coaching. He keeps coming up with an excuse or delays or changes the coaching dates and then gets extremely aggravated if you challenge him about this behaviour.

Whether he is actually trying to cheat ppl out of there money or just too busy for his students, the fact of the matter is that I bought 5 coaching sessions from him and only received ONE. UNO. I bought these lessons in August. Nuff said



Why would you buy coaching from someone who isn't even actively playing the game anymore?


Why would lastshadow agree to coach if he isn't playing though?

If he accepted the money, he's obligated to follow through with the coaching, whether he plays the game or not.
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Bakchiadai
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa7 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 08:50:46
December 18 2013 08:48 GMT
#504
Hey guys,

I was asked to provide proof, so here is a chatlog between myself and Last Shadow when I requested a refund from him after he was unable to coach on 3 of the previous occasions where we had arranged a specific time for coaching and he had to cancel. This was due to his PC malfunctioning, Visa Run problems, and his boyfriend breaking his xiphoid (possibly during sexual activity). Those were the 3 excuses, whether you choose to believe him or not, that is up to you. I will not accuse him of being a liar, since I have no tangible proof of that.
I can post the excuses from my chat history as well, if requested, I posted the xiphoid one just cause I found it amusing.
+ Show Spoiler +
[10:47:57 AM] Nick: i have fractured rib / severe inflammation ~_~
[01:44:26 PM] Ruaan Nel: hey there sorry to hear about that
[01:44:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: how did that happen?
[01:47:21 PM] Nick: unsure as to how
[01:47:30 PM] Nick: doctor thinks malnourishment due to what i was doing
[01:47:34 PM] Nick: made my bones fragile
[01:47:37 PM] Nick: and my bf
[01:47:47 PM] Nick: fractured
[01:47:55 PM] Nick: it when he must've touched the xiphoid
[02:32:54 PM] Ruaan Nel: jesus
[02:32:59 PM] Ruaan Nel: dude you need to take care of yourself
[02:33:01 PM] Ruaan Nel: vitamins!
[02:33:04 PM] Ruaan Nel: omega
[9:19:47 AM] Kent McIntyre: [Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:43 PM] Ruaan Nel:

<<< [3:36:18 AM] Nick: these next few days i might not be able to do coaching, dealing with a potential cancer scare atm, i'll find out tomorrow
[12:15:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok cool man
[12:15:43 PM] Ruaan Nel: hope its nothing serious
[9:20:50 AM] Kent McIntyre: [2013/08/17 06:20:03 PM] Nick: comp didnt have
[2013/08/17 06:20:04 PM] Nick: sc2
[2013/08/17 06:20:04 PM] Nick: lol
[2013/08/17 06:20:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: haha
[2013/08/17 06:20:16 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok ill play a game solong
[2013/08/17 06:20:23 PM] Ruaan Nel: round abouts
[2013/08/17 06:20:28 PM] Ruaan Nel: should be about 20mins i guess
[2013/08/17 06:20:29 PM] Ruaan Nel: for the istnall
[2013/08/17 06:41:58 PM] Nick: its at
[2013/08/17 06:41:59 PM] Nick: 31%
[2013/08/17 06:42:01 PM] Nick: o.o
[2013/08/17 06:42:53 PM] Ruaan Nel: u know sc2 is a direct copy, u can carry it around on a usb stic
[2013/08/17 06:42:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: stick
[2013/08/17 06:43:42 PM] Ruaan Nel: and copy from stick to computer and it works fine
[2013/08/17 06:43:50 PM] Ruaan Nel: it doesnt need registry entries
[2013/08/17 06:44:50 PM] Nick: i dont have a usb stick
[2013/08/17 06:44:51 PM] Nick: o.o
[2013/08/17 06:55:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: thats crazy
[2013/08/17 06:55:30 PM] Ruaan Nel: in my country every1 has one
[2013/08/17 06:55:32 PM] Ruaan Nel: and im in africa
[2013/08/17 07:07:10 PM] Nick: they're like
[2013/08/17 07:07:15 PM] Nick: $60 for 16gb one
[2013/08/17 07:07:18 PM] Nick: thats waste of money
[2013/08/17 07:07:24 PM] Nick: i would have no use for it other than this
[2013/08/17 07:07:41 PM] Nick: 62% now
[2013/08/17 07:19:39 PM] Nick: 77%
[2013/08/17 07:20:11 PM] Nick: its also gonna have to patch idk how long that'll take -_-;
[2013/08/17 07:20:42 PM] Nick: you're unable to stream right?
[2013/08/17 07:30:16 PM] Ruaan Nel: no
[2013/08/17 07:30:19 PM] Ruaan Nel: im unable to stream
[2013/08/17 07:30:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: hey man look
[2013/08/17 07:30:30 PM] Ruaan Nel: weve tried numerous times now
[2013/08/17 07:30:33 PM] Ruaan Nel: to get coaching
[2013/08/17 07:30:38 PM] Ruaan Nel: i dont want to try anymore tbh
[2013/08/17 07:30:57 PM] Ruaan Nel: please refund me 80% of what i payed you i will pay you for the 1h45min
[2013/08/17 07:31:00 PM] Ruaan Nel: coaching i got
[2013/08/17 07:31:08 PM] Ruaan Nel: my paypal address is
[2013/08/17 07:31:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: bakchiadai@gmail.com
[2013/08/17 07:31:49 PM] Ruaan Nel: soi that would be 80dollars
[2013/08/17 07:32:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: id rather get coaching through some1 else who has better internet better organisation etc and my friends feel the same, Connor had to go now cause he couldnt wait any longer
[2013/08/17 07:53:30 PM] Nick: ?? what lol
[2013/08/17 07:53:34 PM] Nick: go make a reddit post if you want
[2013/08/17 07:53:36 PM] Nick: about what occurred
[2013/08/17 07:53:49 PM] Nick: as i outline the troubles of my internet/computer/etc through twitter/facebook
[2013/08/17 07:53:52 PM] Nick: or my visa runs
[2013/08/17 07:54:01 PM] Nick: things are mandatory for my ability to remain in korea.
[2013/08/17 07:54:13 PM] Nick: you seem to be under the impression you're the only person being affected by this, but you're not.
[2013/08/17 07:54:21 PM] Nick: also it doesn't just magically work as
[2013/08/17 07:54:24 PM] Nick: 1h45min = $20
[2013/08/17 07:54:46 PM] Nick: no where anywhere does it mention a refund
[2013/08/17 07:55:32 PM] Nick: because you seem to be displeased by having to wait a few hours extra, when i nfact, 'saturday' had no set time, instead im trying to install/etc to get stuff setup to accomodate your 'weekend' being your day off
[2013/08/17 07:55:46 PM] Nick: additionally connor or whatever must have skype or something, he doesn't physically need to be there for anything to occur
[2013/08/17 07:56:14 PM] Nick: i could copy/paste chatlogs with other people who have had to either delay or whatever in lieu of my computer troubles, artosis talked about them himself on his stream last i was there
[2013/08/17 07:56:25 PM] Nick: you're actually the only person who seems to not understand
[2013/08/17 07:56:34 PM] Ruaan Nel: well
[2013/08/17 07:56:38 PM] Ruaan Nel: i would like a refund
[2013/08/17 07:56:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: are you saying i cannot get one
[2013/08/17 07:56:44 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes/no
[2013/08/17 07:56:48 PM] Ruaan Nel: im not happy with the service
[2013/08/17 07:56:50 PM] Ruaan Nel: ive gotten from you
[2013/08/17 07:56:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: simple as that
[2013/08/17 07:57:06 PM] Nick: ill use an analogy
[2013/08/17 07:57:14 PM] Nick: and say that if someone isn't happy with how a lawyer represents them
[2013/08/17 07:57:18 PM] Nick: do they get their money back?
[2013/08/17 07:57:23 PM] Ruaan Nel: laywys
[2013/08/17 07:57:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: get payed
[2013/08/17 07:57:28 PM] Nick: its an analogy
[2013/08/17 07:57:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: once they win the case
[2013/08/17 07:57:33 PM] Ruaan Nel: or per hour
[2013/08/17 07:57:34 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:57:35 PM] Nick: what
[2013/08/17 07:57:41 PM] Nick: they get
[2013/08/17 07:57:43 PM] Nick: paid in advance
[2013/08/17 07:57:46 PM] Nick: what are youy talking about
[2013/08/17 07:57:51 PM] Nick: if you're the defense
[2013/08/17 07:57:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: nope not always
[2013/08/17 07:57:54 PM] Nick: [not always]
[2013/08/17 07:57:59 PM] Nick: but [sometimes]
[2013/08/17 07:58:00 PM] Nick: its an analogy.
[2013/08/17 07:58:02 PM] Ruaan Nel: anyways
[2013/08/17 07:58:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: im asking u a direct question
[2013/08/17 07:58:14 PM] Ruaan Nel: its a yes no question
[2013/08/17 07:58:18 PM] Nick: i've already asked your direct question
[2013/08/17 07:58:21 PM] Ruaan Nel: can i get a portion refunded
[2013/08/17 07:58:23 PM] Nick: if you have other issues you can message
[2013/08/17 07:58:25 PM] Nick: my manager i guess
[2013/08/17 07:58:32 PM] Nick: cuz as i said
[2013/08/17 07:58:34 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok so no refund
[2013/08/17 07:58:34 PM] Nick: out of maybe 30 ppl
[2013/08/17 07:58:37 PM] Nick: in the past 2weeks
[2013/08/17 07:58:42 PM] Nick: only you have complained in such way
[2013/08/17 07:58:48 PM] Ruaan Nel: yeah but im unique
[2013/08/17 07:58:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: and my needs are unique
[2013/08/17 07:58:52 PM] Nick: lol
[2013/08/17 07:58:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: i cannot stay at a pc
[2013/08/17 07:58:55 PM] Nick: my life
[2013/08/17 07:58:59 PM] Nick: comes before your coaching
[2013/08/17 07:59:05 PM] Ruaan Nel: for as long as some other people
[2013/08/17 07:59:13 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes nick i UNDERSTAND im not asking you
[2013/08/17 07:59:13 PM] Nick: without a computeri can't make money
[2013/08/17 07:59:19 PM] Ruaan Nel: to change ur life
[2013/08/17 07:59:24 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:59:24 PM] Ruaan Nel: or to even coach me
[2013/08/17 07:59:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: since ur unable to coach at the times we arrange
[2013/08/17 07:59:35 PM] Nick: im not
[2013/08/17 07:59:37 PM] Nick: unable to coach
[2013/08/17 07:59:39 PM] Nick: its 7pm
[2013/08/17 07:59:39 PM] Nick: ur time
[2013/08/17 07:59:43 PM] Nick: how does that equate
[2013/08/17 07:59:46 PM] Nick: to an unset time
[2013/08/17 07:59:47 PM] Nick: saturday
[2013/08/17 07:59:47 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:59:48 PM] Nick: please elabroate
[2013/08/17 07:59:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: dude you said
[2013/08/17 08:00:00 PM] Nick: i said 1am kst
[2013/08/17 08:00:01 PM] Ruaan Nel: you will be available by about 12-1am
[2013/08/17 08:00:02 PM] Nick: i would go to a pcbang
[2013/08/17 08:00:05 PM] Nick: yeah
[2013/08/17 08:00:05 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes
[2013/08/17 08:00:08 PM] Nick: guess what
[2013/08/17 08:00:11 PM] Nick: sc2 is dead in korea
[2013/08/17 08:00:13 PM] Nick: comp doesnt have
[2013/08/17 08:00:14 PM] Nick: hots
[2013/08/17 08:00:15 PM] Ruaan Nel: i assume taht means that you will be able to coach me
[2013/08/17 08:00:16 PM] Nick: so i install it
[2013/08/17 08:00:42 PM] Ruaan Nel: if you said that you will be at a pc bang but i must be aware that there is very good chance it will not have sc2 and that you will need another 2 hours to install
[2013/08/17 08:00:47 PM] Ruaan Nel: then I would have arranged my day otherwise


So if you bothered to read all of that, you can clearly see that even after delivering no service whatsoever, he refuses to give his clients a refund. He then argues that this is common practise in the business environment. WELL MR LS, I am actually a grown-up working as a registered professional Engineer for my country's utility service, and this is not how things work. I was then forced to deal with this child since he refused to give me a refund. Over the course of the next 2 months we managed to arrange a total of 3 coaching sessions, which was extremely tedious for me to set up as he is such an elusive creature. He still owes me a total of 4 hours of coaching and 2 hours of replay review, for which I paid $100.

I would like to request a partial refund of $80. I do not want the coaching, it takes too much time and effort to try and set up. I have since found another coach, and am really happy with his service and punctuality. (He happens to be German :D ).
6 pool on 8
ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
December 18 2013 09:29 GMT
#505
come here looking to see who would actually still be having a convo on a fan club like this one and have walked in to a shit storm. this is just awful, even if he is not trying to rip people off ( looks like he is to me) he is a being a dick, i have actually never really heard good things about LS. when every he is mentioned it kinda in a cloud of o that guy who got in to this tournament or something threw other methods then his playing ability.
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
dreadlordx
Profile Joined January 2012
United States80 Posts
December 18 2013 09:42 GMT
#506
Yea the guy is a total liar, he will take your money and run. I doubt he has eye trouble, he is playing on people's sympathy and going to take their money. That is what sociopaths or at least ASP's do, the guy is trash. Do not donate or support him.
Play on Playa!!!!
dreadlordx
Profile Joined January 2012
United States80 Posts
December 18 2013 09:44 GMT
#507
On December 18 2013 17:48 Bakchiadai wrote:
Hey guys,

I was asked to provide proof, so here is a chatlog between myself and Last Shadow when I requested a refund from him after he was unable to coach on 3 of the previous occasions where we had arranged a specific time for coaching and he had to cancel. This was due to his PC malfunctioning, Visa Run problems, and his boyfriend breaking his xiphoid (possibly during sexual activity). Those were the 3 excuses, whether you choose to believe him or not, that is up to you. I will not accuse him of being a liar, since I have no tangible proof of that.
I can post the excuses from my chat history as well, if requested, I posted the xiphoid one just cause I found it amusing.
+ Show Spoiler +
[10:47:57 AM] Nick: i have fractured rib / severe inflammation ~_~
[01:44:26 PM] Ruaan Nel: hey there sorry to hear about that
[01:44:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: how did that happen?
[01:47:21 PM] Nick: unsure as to how
[01:47:30 PM] Nick: doctor thinks malnourishment due to what i was doing
[01:47:34 PM] Nick: made my bones fragile
[01:47:37 PM] Nick: and my bf
[01:47:47 PM] Nick: fractured
[01:47:55 PM] Nick: it when he must've touched the xiphoid
[02:32:54 PM] Ruaan Nel: jesus
[02:32:59 PM] Ruaan Nel: dude you need to take care of yourself
[02:33:01 PM] Ruaan Nel: vitamins!
[02:33:04 PM] Ruaan Nel: omega
[9:19:47 AM] Kent McIntyre: [Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:43 PM] Ruaan Nel:

<<< [3:36:18 AM] Nick: these next few days i might not be able to do coaching, dealing with a potential cancer scare atm, i'll find out tomorrow
[12:15:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok cool man
[12:15:43 PM] Ruaan Nel: hope its nothing serious
[9:20:50 AM] Kent McIntyre: [2013/08/17 06:20:03 PM] Nick: comp didnt have
[2013/08/17 06:20:04 PM] Nick: sc2
[2013/08/17 06:20:04 PM] Nick: lol
[2013/08/17 06:20:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: haha
[2013/08/17 06:20:16 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok ill play a game solong
[2013/08/17 06:20:23 PM] Ruaan Nel: round abouts
[2013/08/17 06:20:28 PM] Ruaan Nel: should be about 20mins i guess
[2013/08/17 06:20:29 PM] Ruaan Nel: for the istnall
[2013/08/17 06:41:58 PM] Nick: its at
[2013/08/17 06:41:59 PM] Nick: 31%
[2013/08/17 06:42:01 PM] Nick: o.o
[2013/08/17 06:42:53 PM] Ruaan Nel: u know sc2 is a direct copy, u can carry it around on a usb stic
[2013/08/17 06:42:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: stick
[2013/08/17 06:43:42 PM] Ruaan Nel: and copy from stick to computer and it works fine
[2013/08/17 06:43:50 PM] Ruaan Nel: it doesnt need registry entries
[2013/08/17 06:44:50 PM] Nick: i dont have a usb stick
[2013/08/17 06:44:51 PM] Nick: o.o
[2013/08/17 06:55:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: thats crazy
[2013/08/17 06:55:30 PM] Ruaan Nel: in my country every1 has one
[2013/08/17 06:55:32 PM] Ruaan Nel: and im in africa
[2013/08/17 07:07:10 PM] Nick: they're like
[2013/08/17 07:07:15 PM] Nick: $60 for 16gb one
[2013/08/17 07:07:18 PM] Nick: thats waste of money
[2013/08/17 07:07:24 PM] Nick: i would have no use for it other than this
[2013/08/17 07:07:41 PM] Nick: 62% now
[2013/08/17 07:19:39 PM] Nick: 77%
[2013/08/17 07:20:11 PM] Nick: its also gonna have to patch idk how long that'll take -_-;
[2013/08/17 07:20:42 PM] Nick: you're unable to stream right?
[2013/08/17 07:30:16 PM] Ruaan Nel: no
[2013/08/17 07:30:19 PM] Ruaan Nel: im unable to stream
[2013/08/17 07:30:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: hey man look
[2013/08/17 07:30:30 PM] Ruaan Nel: weve tried numerous times now
[2013/08/17 07:30:33 PM] Ruaan Nel: to get coaching
[2013/08/17 07:30:38 PM] Ruaan Nel: i dont want to try anymore tbh
[2013/08/17 07:30:57 PM] Ruaan Nel: please refund me 80% of what i payed you i will pay you for the 1h45min
[2013/08/17 07:31:00 PM] Ruaan Nel: coaching i got
[2013/08/17 07:31:08 PM] Ruaan Nel: my paypal address is
[2013/08/17 07:31:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: bakchiadai@gmail.com
[2013/08/17 07:31:49 PM] Ruaan Nel: soi that would be 80dollars
[2013/08/17 07:32:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: id rather get coaching through some1 else who has better internet better organisation etc and my friends feel the same, Connor had to go now cause he couldnt wait any longer
[2013/08/17 07:53:30 PM] Nick: ?? what lol
[2013/08/17 07:53:34 PM] Nick: go make a reddit post if you want
[2013/08/17 07:53:36 PM] Nick: about what occurred
[2013/08/17 07:53:49 PM] Nick: as i outline the troubles of my internet/computer/etc through twitter/facebook
[2013/08/17 07:53:52 PM] Nick: or my visa runs
[2013/08/17 07:54:01 PM] Nick: things are mandatory for my ability to remain in korea.
[2013/08/17 07:54:13 PM] Nick: you seem to be under the impression you're the only person being affected by this, but you're not.
[2013/08/17 07:54:21 PM] Nick: also it doesn't just magically work as
[2013/08/17 07:54:24 PM] Nick: 1h45min = $20
[2013/08/17 07:54:46 PM] Nick: no where anywhere does it mention a refund
[2013/08/17 07:55:32 PM] Nick: because you seem to be displeased by having to wait a few hours extra, when i nfact, 'saturday' had no set time, instead im trying to install/etc to get stuff setup to accomodate your 'weekend' being your day off
[2013/08/17 07:55:46 PM] Nick: additionally connor or whatever must have skype or something, he doesn't physically need to be there for anything to occur
[2013/08/17 07:56:14 PM] Nick: i could copy/paste chatlogs with other people who have had to either delay or whatever in lieu of my computer troubles, artosis talked about them himself on his stream last i was there
[2013/08/17 07:56:25 PM] Nick: you're actually the only person who seems to not understand
[2013/08/17 07:56:34 PM] Ruaan Nel: well
[2013/08/17 07:56:38 PM] Ruaan Nel: i would like a refund
[2013/08/17 07:56:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: are you saying i cannot get one
[2013/08/17 07:56:44 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes/no
[2013/08/17 07:56:48 PM] Ruaan Nel: im not happy with the service
[2013/08/17 07:56:50 PM] Ruaan Nel: ive gotten from you
[2013/08/17 07:56:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: simple as that
[2013/08/17 07:57:06 PM] Nick: ill use an analogy
[2013/08/17 07:57:14 PM] Nick: and say that if someone isn't happy with how a lawyer represents them
[2013/08/17 07:57:18 PM] Nick: do they get their money back?
[2013/08/17 07:57:23 PM] Ruaan Nel: laywys
[2013/08/17 07:57:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: get payed
[2013/08/17 07:57:28 PM] Nick: its an analogy
[2013/08/17 07:57:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: once they win the case
[2013/08/17 07:57:33 PM] Ruaan Nel: or per hour
[2013/08/17 07:57:34 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:57:35 PM] Nick: what
[2013/08/17 07:57:41 PM] Nick: they get
[2013/08/17 07:57:43 PM] Nick: paid in advance
[2013/08/17 07:57:46 PM] Nick: what are youy talking about
[2013/08/17 07:57:51 PM] Nick: if you're the defense
[2013/08/17 07:57:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: nope not always
[2013/08/17 07:57:54 PM] Nick: [not always]
[2013/08/17 07:57:59 PM] Nick: but [sometimes]
[2013/08/17 07:58:00 PM] Nick: its an analogy.
[2013/08/17 07:58:02 PM] Ruaan Nel: anyways
[2013/08/17 07:58:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: im asking u a direct question
[2013/08/17 07:58:14 PM] Ruaan Nel: its a yes no question
[2013/08/17 07:58:18 PM] Nick: i've already asked your direct question
[2013/08/17 07:58:21 PM] Ruaan Nel: can i get a portion refunded
[2013/08/17 07:58:23 PM] Nick: if you have other issues you can message
[2013/08/17 07:58:25 PM] Nick: my manager i guess
[2013/08/17 07:58:32 PM] Nick: cuz as i said
[2013/08/17 07:58:34 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok so no refund
[2013/08/17 07:58:34 PM] Nick: out of maybe 30 ppl
[2013/08/17 07:58:37 PM] Nick: in the past 2weeks
[2013/08/17 07:58:42 PM] Nick: only you have complained in such way
[2013/08/17 07:58:48 PM] Ruaan Nel: yeah but im unique
[2013/08/17 07:58:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: and my needs are unique
[2013/08/17 07:58:52 PM] Nick: lol
[2013/08/17 07:58:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: i cannot stay at a pc
[2013/08/17 07:58:55 PM] Nick: my life
[2013/08/17 07:58:59 PM] Nick: comes before your coaching
[2013/08/17 07:59:05 PM] Ruaan Nel: for as long as some other people
[2013/08/17 07:59:13 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes nick i UNDERSTAND im not asking you
[2013/08/17 07:59:13 PM] Nick: without a computeri can't make money
[2013/08/17 07:59:19 PM] Ruaan Nel: to change ur life
[2013/08/17 07:59:24 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:59:24 PM] Ruaan Nel: or to even coach me
[2013/08/17 07:59:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: since ur unable to coach at the times we arrange
[2013/08/17 07:59:35 PM] Nick: im not
[2013/08/17 07:59:37 PM] Nick: unable to coach
[2013/08/17 07:59:39 PM] Nick: its 7pm
[2013/08/17 07:59:39 PM] Nick: ur time
[2013/08/17 07:59:43 PM] Nick: how does that equate
[2013/08/17 07:59:46 PM] Nick: to an unset time
[2013/08/17 07:59:47 PM] Nick: saturday
[2013/08/17 07:59:47 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:59:48 PM] Nick: please elabroate
[2013/08/17 07:59:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: dude you said
[2013/08/17 08:00:00 PM] Nick: i said 1am kst
[2013/08/17 08:00:01 PM] Ruaan Nel: you will be available by about 12-1am
[2013/08/17 08:00:02 PM] Nick: i would go to a pcbang
[2013/08/17 08:00:05 PM] Nick: yeah
[2013/08/17 08:00:05 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes
[2013/08/17 08:00:08 PM] Nick: guess what
[2013/08/17 08:00:11 PM] Nick: sc2 is dead in korea
[2013/08/17 08:00:13 PM] Nick: comp doesnt have
[2013/08/17 08:00:14 PM] Nick: hots
[2013/08/17 08:00:15 PM] Ruaan Nel: i assume taht means that you will be able to coach me
[2013/08/17 08:00:16 PM] Nick: so i install it
[2013/08/17 08:00:42 PM] Ruaan Nel: if you said that you will be at a pc bang but i must be aware that there is very good chance it will not have sc2 and that you will need another 2 hours to install
[2013/08/17 08:00:47 PM] Ruaan Nel: then I would have arranged my day otherwise


So if you bothered to read all of that, you can clearly see that even after delivering no service whatsoever, he refuses to give his clients a refund. He then argues that this is common practise in the business environment. WELL MR LS, I am actually a grown-up working as a registered professional Engineer for my country's utility service, and this is not how things work. I was then forced to deal with this child since he refused to give me a refund. Over the course of the next 2 months we managed to arrange a total of 3 coaching sessions, which was extremely tedious for me to set up as he is such an elusive creature. He still owes me a total of 4 hours of coaching and 2 hours of replay review, for which I paid $100.

I would like to request a partial refund of $80. I do not want the coaching, it takes too much time and effort to try and set up. I have since found another coach, and am really happy with his service and punctuality. (He happens to be German :D ).


Our chat log is posted in another thread but someone posted a reply and analysis of it, and it is the same thing, difference is he just tries to wait you out and then makes up shit to not do them for any reason imaginable.
Play on Playa!!!!
GzStrom
Profile Joined January 2011
South Africa51 Posts
December 18 2013 10:25 GMT
#508
I wouldn't go so far as to call it fraud or scamming, as from my experience with his coaching we did get SOME, and when it did happen, he was very good and helpful. It was more just incredibly unprofessional, plagued with frequent last minute delays and postponements.

A typical example would be agreeing to coaching at 11:00, at 11:20 he would show up asking for a delay as he's just woken up and needed to eat/sort something out/w.e, with us waiting around until coaching eventually starts at 13:00. This in itself is not the end of the world, but 3 of us would often have now rearranged our schedule to have 2 hours free for the coaching and have other plans/commitments we need to attend to (I think I missed about half of the sessions that did happen, due to not being able to wait around for hours until it eventually started).

Now, we understand shit happens, a single delay isn't a problem, and the first few times we just accepted it and carried on, but when EVERY coaching session has a last minute delay/cancellation and sometimes he just doesn't show up at all, that, is unacceptable behavior.
In the end, as Bakchiadai mentioned, it eventually just became not worth our time to try and organize.

Now I actually like LS and have no ill will towards him, but in my working environment, anyone giving this level of service delivery would be dismissed. So maybe as professionals ourselves, we're expecting too much from a gaming coach, but surely a level of professionalism/punctuality when you've been paid for a service is not too much to ask.
6pool.. ON 8!
eV Bane
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia1 Post
December 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#509
So, I might as well pitch in my experiences, since this seems to be the "we hate LS" train.

I have never had a negative experience with his coaching, whilst there were some small delays, every now and then, small delays for access to an incredible database of knowledge of Starcraft and League of Legends seems to me, a small ask. Often, when we organized times, he would be on time, with maybe a delay of 5-10 minutes, and would go overtime, playing games, going over replays, or generally just discussing theory, and whilst there were some times it took a few hours to reply, again, he is a professional gamer in Korea, his schedule must be incredibly different to anything we're used to.

Overall, I'm super happy with how LS has done, in terms of coaching, and I would 100% recommend him for anyone who was interested in expanding their game knowledge, or experience. It should also be noted that LS has given away multiple HS keys, done countless free coaching lessons on stream, and is incredibly INCREDIBLY considerate towards his students, helping us with his knowledge, his experience and his time, and I have had no problems with anything, and if you don't expect delays or time mishaps when talking about timezones half way around the world (I found it hard from Australia to Korea) then, you're a fool.

tl;dr LS is a god, we love you, and I would 100% recommend him for ANY person looking to improve in LoL or SC2
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 12:30:03
December 18 2013 12:26 GMT
#510
On December 18 2013 17:48 Bakchiadai wrote:
Hey guys,

I was asked to provide proof, so here is a chatlog between myself and Last Shadow when I requested a refund from him after he was unable to coach on 3 of the previous occasions where we had arranged a specific time for coaching and he had to cancel. This was due to his PC malfunctioning, Visa Run problems, and his boyfriend breaking his xiphoid (possibly during sexual activity). Those were the 3 excuses, whether you choose to believe him or not, that is up to you. I will not accuse him of being a liar, since I have no tangible proof of that.
I can post the excuses from my chat history as well, if requested, I posted the xiphoid one just cause I found it amusing.
+ Show Spoiler +
[10:47:57 AM] Nick: i have fractured rib / severe inflammation ~_~
[01:44:26 PM] Ruaan Nel: hey there sorry to hear about that
[01:44:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: how did that happen?
[01:47:21 PM] Nick: unsure as to how
[01:47:30 PM] Nick: doctor thinks malnourishment due to what i was doing
[01:47:34 PM] Nick: made my bones fragile
[01:47:37 PM] Nick: and my bf
[01:47:47 PM] Nick: fractured
[01:47:55 PM] Nick: it when he must've touched the xiphoid
[02:32:54 PM] Ruaan Nel: jesus
[02:32:59 PM] Ruaan Nel: dude you need to take care of yourself
[02:33:01 PM] Ruaan Nel: vitamins!
[02:33:04 PM] Ruaan Nel: omega
[9:19:47 AM] Kent McIntyre: [Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:43 PM] Ruaan Nel:

<<< [3:36:18 AM] Nick: these next few days i might not be able to do coaching, dealing with a potential cancer scare atm, i'll find out tomorrow
[12:15:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok cool man
[12:15:43 PM] Ruaan Nel: hope its nothing serious
[9:20:50 AM] Kent McIntyre: [2013/08/17 06:20:03 PM] Nick: comp didnt have
[2013/08/17 06:20:04 PM] Nick: sc2
[2013/08/17 06:20:04 PM] Nick: lol
[2013/08/17 06:20:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: haha
[2013/08/17 06:20:16 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok ill play a game solong
[2013/08/17 06:20:23 PM] Ruaan Nel: round abouts
[2013/08/17 06:20:28 PM] Ruaan Nel: should be about 20mins i guess
[2013/08/17 06:20:29 PM] Ruaan Nel: for the istnall
[2013/08/17 06:41:58 PM] Nick: its at
[2013/08/17 06:41:59 PM] Nick: 31%
[2013/08/17 06:42:01 PM] Nick: o.o
[2013/08/17 06:42:53 PM] Ruaan Nel: u know sc2 is a direct copy, u can carry it around on a usb stic
[2013/08/17 06:42:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: stick
[2013/08/17 06:43:42 PM] Ruaan Nel: and copy from stick to computer and it works fine
[2013/08/17 06:43:50 PM] Ruaan Nel: it doesnt need registry entries
[2013/08/17 06:44:50 PM] Nick: i dont have a usb stick
[2013/08/17 06:44:51 PM] Nick: o.o
[2013/08/17 06:55:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: thats crazy
[2013/08/17 06:55:30 PM] Ruaan Nel: in my country every1 has one
[2013/08/17 06:55:32 PM] Ruaan Nel: and im in africa
[2013/08/17 07:07:10 PM] Nick: they're like
[2013/08/17 07:07:15 PM] Nick: $60 for 16gb one
[2013/08/17 07:07:18 PM] Nick: thats waste of money
[2013/08/17 07:07:24 PM] Nick: i would have no use for it other than this
[2013/08/17 07:07:41 PM] Nick: 62% now
[2013/08/17 07:19:39 PM] Nick: 77%
[2013/08/17 07:20:11 PM] Nick: its also gonna have to patch idk how long that'll take -_-;
[2013/08/17 07:20:42 PM] Nick: you're unable to stream right?
[2013/08/17 07:30:16 PM] Ruaan Nel: no
[2013/08/17 07:30:19 PM] Ruaan Nel: im unable to stream
[2013/08/17 07:30:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: hey man look
[2013/08/17 07:30:30 PM] Ruaan Nel: weve tried numerous times now
[2013/08/17 07:30:33 PM] Ruaan Nel: to get coaching
[2013/08/17 07:30:38 PM] Ruaan Nel: i dont want to try anymore tbh
[2013/08/17 07:30:57 PM] Ruaan Nel: please refund me 80% of what i payed you i will pay you for the 1h45min
[2013/08/17 07:31:00 PM] Ruaan Nel: coaching i got
[2013/08/17 07:31:08 PM] Ruaan Nel: my paypal address is
[2013/08/17 07:31:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: bakchiadai@gmail.com
[2013/08/17 07:31:49 PM] Ruaan Nel: soi that would be 80dollars
[2013/08/17 07:32:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: id rather get coaching through some1 else who has better internet better organisation etc and my friends feel the same, Connor had to go now cause he couldnt wait any longer
[2013/08/17 07:53:30 PM] Nick: ?? what lol
[2013/08/17 07:53:34 PM] Nick: go make a reddit post if you want
[2013/08/17 07:53:36 PM] Nick: about what occurred
[2013/08/17 07:53:49 PM] Nick: as i outline the troubles of my internet/computer/etc through twitter/facebook
[2013/08/17 07:53:52 PM] Nick: or my visa runs
[2013/08/17 07:54:01 PM] Nick: things are mandatory for my ability to remain in korea.
[2013/08/17 07:54:13 PM] Nick: you seem to be under the impression you're the only person being affected by this, but you're not.
[2013/08/17 07:54:21 PM] Nick: also it doesn't just magically work as
[2013/08/17 07:54:24 PM] Nick: 1h45min = $20
[2013/08/17 07:54:46 PM] Nick: no where anywhere does it mention a refund
[2013/08/17 07:55:32 PM] Nick: because you seem to be displeased by having to wait a few hours extra, when i nfact, 'saturday' had no set time, instead im trying to install/etc to get stuff setup to accomodate your 'weekend' being your day off
[2013/08/17 07:55:46 PM] Nick: additionally connor or whatever must have skype or something, he doesn't physically need to be there for anything to occur
[2013/08/17 07:56:14 PM] Nick: i could copy/paste chatlogs with other people who have had to either delay or whatever in lieu of my computer troubles, artosis talked about them himself on his stream last i was there
[2013/08/17 07:56:25 PM] Nick: you're actually the only person who seems to not understand
[2013/08/17 07:56:34 PM] Ruaan Nel: well
[2013/08/17 07:56:38 PM] Ruaan Nel: i would like a refund
[2013/08/17 07:56:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: are you saying i cannot get one
[2013/08/17 07:56:44 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes/no
[2013/08/17 07:56:48 PM] Ruaan Nel: im not happy with the service
[2013/08/17 07:56:50 PM] Ruaan Nel: ive gotten from you
[2013/08/17 07:56:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: simple as that
[2013/08/17 07:57:06 PM] Nick: ill use an analogy
[2013/08/17 07:57:14 PM] Nick: and say that if someone isn't happy with how a lawyer represents them
[2013/08/17 07:57:18 PM] Nick: do they get their money back?
[2013/08/17 07:57:23 PM] Ruaan Nel: laywys
[2013/08/17 07:57:25 PM] Ruaan Nel: get payed
[2013/08/17 07:57:28 PM] Nick: its an analogy
[2013/08/17 07:57:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: once they win the case
[2013/08/17 07:57:33 PM] Ruaan Nel: or per hour
[2013/08/17 07:57:34 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:57:35 PM] Nick: what
[2013/08/17 07:57:41 PM] Nick: they get
[2013/08/17 07:57:43 PM] Nick: paid in advance
[2013/08/17 07:57:46 PM] Nick: what are youy talking about
[2013/08/17 07:57:51 PM] Nick: if you're the defense
[2013/08/17 07:57:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: nope not always
[2013/08/17 07:57:54 PM] Nick: [not always]
[2013/08/17 07:57:59 PM] Nick: but [sometimes]
[2013/08/17 07:58:00 PM] Nick: its an analogy.
[2013/08/17 07:58:02 PM] Ruaan Nel: anyways
[2013/08/17 07:58:10 PM] Ruaan Nel: im asking u a direct question
[2013/08/17 07:58:14 PM] Ruaan Nel: its a yes no question
[2013/08/17 07:58:18 PM] Nick: i've already asked your direct question
[2013/08/17 07:58:21 PM] Ruaan Nel: can i get a portion refunded
[2013/08/17 07:58:23 PM] Nick: if you have other issues you can message
[2013/08/17 07:58:25 PM] Nick: my manager i guess
[2013/08/17 07:58:32 PM] Nick: cuz as i said
[2013/08/17 07:58:34 PM] Ruaan Nel: ok so no refund
[2013/08/17 07:58:34 PM] Nick: out of maybe 30 ppl
[2013/08/17 07:58:37 PM] Nick: in the past 2weeks
[2013/08/17 07:58:42 PM] Nick: only you have complained in such way
[2013/08/17 07:58:48 PM] Ruaan Nel: yeah but im unique
[2013/08/17 07:58:51 PM] Ruaan Nel: and my needs are unique
[2013/08/17 07:58:52 PM] Nick: lol
[2013/08/17 07:58:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: i cannot stay at a pc
[2013/08/17 07:58:55 PM] Nick: my life
[2013/08/17 07:58:59 PM] Nick: comes before your coaching
[2013/08/17 07:59:05 PM] Ruaan Nel: for as long as some other people
[2013/08/17 07:59:13 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes nick i UNDERSTAND im not asking you
[2013/08/17 07:59:13 PM] Nick: without a computeri can't make money
[2013/08/17 07:59:19 PM] Ruaan Nel: to change ur life
[2013/08/17 07:59:24 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:59:24 PM] Ruaan Nel: or to even coach me
[2013/08/17 07:59:31 PM] Ruaan Nel: since ur unable to coach at the times we arrange
[2013/08/17 07:59:35 PM] Nick: im not
[2013/08/17 07:59:37 PM] Nick: unable to coach
[2013/08/17 07:59:39 PM] Nick: its 7pm
[2013/08/17 07:59:39 PM] Nick: ur time
[2013/08/17 07:59:43 PM] Nick: how does that equate
[2013/08/17 07:59:46 PM] Nick: to an unset time
[2013/08/17 07:59:47 PM] Nick: saturday
[2013/08/17 07:59:47 PM] Nick: ?
[2013/08/17 07:59:48 PM] Nick: please elabroate
[2013/08/17 07:59:55 PM] Ruaan Nel: dude you said
[2013/08/17 08:00:00 PM] Nick: i said 1am kst
[2013/08/17 08:00:01 PM] Ruaan Nel: you will be available by about 12-1am
[2013/08/17 08:00:02 PM] Nick: i would go to a pcbang
[2013/08/17 08:00:05 PM] Nick: yeah
[2013/08/17 08:00:05 PM] Ruaan Nel: yes
[2013/08/17 08:00:08 PM] Nick: guess what
[2013/08/17 08:00:11 PM] Nick: sc2 is dead in korea
[2013/08/17 08:00:13 PM] Nick: comp doesnt have
[2013/08/17 08:00:14 PM] Nick: hots
[2013/08/17 08:00:15 PM] Ruaan Nel: i assume taht means that you will be able to coach me
[2013/08/17 08:00:16 PM] Nick: so i install it
[2013/08/17 08:00:42 PM] Ruaan Nel: if you said that you will be at a pc bang but i must be aware that there is very good chance it will not have sc2 and that you will need another 2 hours to install
[2013/08/17 08:00:47 PM] Ruaan Nel: then I would have arranged my day otherwise


So if you bothered to read all of that, you can clearly see that even after delivering no service whatsoever, he refuses to give his clients a refund. He then argues that this is common practise in the business environment. WELL MR LS, I am actually a grown-up working as a registered professional Engineer for my country's utility service, and this is not how things work. I was then forced to deal with this child since he refused to give me a refund. Over the course of the next 2 months we managed to arrange a total of 3 coaching sessions, which was extremely tedious for me to set up as he is such an elusive creature. He still owes me a total of 4 hours of coaching and 2 hours of replay review, for which I paid $100.

I would like to request a partial refund of $80. I do not want the coaching, it takes too much time and effort to try and set up. I have since found another coach, and am really happy with his service and punctuality. (He happens to be German :D ).


Let's leave out all the times you request reschedule and I say no problem with no hassles. Or how I went over time on numerous lessons with you(even once by 30minutes) and told you no-charge (even though you insisted, I insisted back no charge). Let's also leave out how you didn't message me once in the last 70days almost and I was the one making the attempts towards the end because I enjoyed our coaching sessions even if there was some difficulties setting them (SA timezone a bit different compared to some EU and NA timezones).

Chatlogs below: + Show Spoiler +
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:26] Ruaan Nel: hey man dont think were gonna do coaching this weekend
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:33] Ruaan Nel: havent had much time to practise the things uve said
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:46] Nick: ok thats ok
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:48] Nick: i get a new computer
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:50] Nick: this weekend btw
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:54] Ruaan Nel: haha sick
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:54] Nick: friend sending me the money for it
[2013-08-30 오전 5:51:55] Nick: yeah
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:03] Nick: anyway
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:07] Ruaan Nel: hopefully with some good cooling!
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:12] Nick: i think we have
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:16] Nick: 2hrs left for coaching-coaching
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:19] Nick: and then the 3hrs of
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:21] Nick: replay or game-theory
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:33] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:33] Nick: then its up to you if you wanna go w/ the next $100 or w/e
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:41] Ruaan Nel: yeah since it seems
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:45] Ruaan Nel: we got our scheduling sorted
[2013-08-30 오전 5:52:50] Ruaan Nel: i am happy to buy another set
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:01] Ruaan Nel: since the coaching itself is awesome
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:07] Ruaan Nel: just the organinsng was meh...
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:13] Nick: yeah as i said
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:18] Nick: it was just the technology issues
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:18] Nick: ;o
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:23] Nick: ~_~!
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:27] Ruaan Nel: i have been playing alot of LoL
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:30] Ruaan Nel: with my friends since
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:31] Nick: believe me its raping me lol
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:34] Ruaan Nel: they force me to play it haha
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:37] Nick: oh are you enjoying it?
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:37] Nick: o.o
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:38] Ruaan Nel: i need an hour
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:41] Ruaan Nel: or something
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:42] Ruaan Nel: of that
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:45] Ruaan Nel: just so u can show me
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:50] Ruaan Nel: how not to suck balls at it
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:53] Nick: sure
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:57] Ruaan Nel: i was diamond level
[2013-08-30 오전 5:53:58] Ruaan Nel: in dota
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:03] Nick: dont know what that is o.o
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:07] Nick: can you list out
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:08] Nick: the tiers
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:15] Nick: like is diamond
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:15] Nick: highest?
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:20] Ruaan Nel: it was based on sc2
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:26] Ruaan Nel: so masters was highest
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:36] Ruaan Nel: but that was a ranking system that they discontinued
[2013-08-30 오전 5:54:51] Ruaan Nel: but i just want to be able to translate some of my skill to this game
[2013-08-30 오전 5:55:19] Nick: ok thats np
[2013-08-30 오전 5:55:21] Ruaan Nel: since i have the ability to last hit cast spells manage mana hp etc already its just i dont know when to do what when it comes to
[2013-08-30 오전 5:55:26] Ruaan Nel: dragon baron farming not farming
[2013-08-30 오전 5:55:27] Ruaan Nel: etc
[2013-08-30 오전 5:55:57] Ruaan Nel: i played a bit now
[2013-08-30 오전 5:56:00] Ruaan Nel: im silver 3
[2013-08-30 오전 5:56:01] Ruaan Nel: haha
[2013-08-30 오전 5:57:38] Nick: zzz
[2013-08-30 오전 5:57:41] Nick: ok
[2013-08-30 오전 5:57:43] Nick: yeah we can do
[2013-08-30 오전 5:57:45] Nick: something LoL then
[2013-08-30 오전 5:57:59] Ruaan Nel: yeah like i have NO intention to become good at this game
[2013-08-30 오전 5:58:02] Ruaan Nel: i just want to not suck
[2013-08-30 오전 5:58:47] Nick: yeah
[2013-08-30 오전 5:58:50] Nick: o.o
[2013-08-30 오전 5:58:52] Nick: i understand
[2013-08-30 오전 5:58:56] Nick: what lane
[2013-08-30 오전 5:58:59] Nick: do you ply
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:03] Nick: you need to play brother lanes
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:19] Ruaan Nel: i play jungle
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:38] Nick: thats not good o.o
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:41] Ruaan Nel: haha
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:41] Nick: for improving i mean
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:44] Ruaan Nel: must i play support
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:53] Nick: i'd recommend
[2013-08-30 오전 5:59:54] Nick: top/mid
[2013-08-30 오전 6:00:05] Nick: they're my best
[2013-08-30 오전 6:00:07] Nick: but also
[2013-08-30 오전 6:00:10] Nick: 1v1 lanes
[2013-08-30 오전 6:00:13] Nick: most room to carry
[2013-08-30 오전 6:00:23] Ruaan Nel: ok
[2013-08-30 오전 6:00:35] Ruaan Nel: so i should learn 2-3 heroes in 1 lane?
[2013-08-30 오전 6:00:51] Ruaan Nel: i like mid since i can roam, i feel tahts similar to dota
[2013-08-30 오전 6:01:21] Nick: 2-3 heros
[2013-08-30 오전 6:01:22] Nick: that share a lane
[2013-08-30 오전 6:01:25] Nick: would be ideal
[2013-08-30 오전 6:01:29] Nick: there is something called

[2013-08-31 오후 7:36:50] Ruaan Nel: hey there i found a way
[2013-08-31 오후 7:37:05] Ruaan Nel: to record my lol games and then upload it
[2013-08-31 오후 7:42:04] Ruaan Nel: so it kinda works like streaming but its not live. So it will be available on a website for you to stream, after i have uploaded it.
[2013-09-01 오후 4:50:45] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-01 오후 4:50:45] Nick: ok
[2013-09-01 오후 4:50:50] Nick: btw what happened this weekend o.o
[2013-09-01 오후 6:14:59] Ruaan Nel: Hey there
[2013-09-01 오후 6:15:23] Ruaan Nel: Was saving up ip to buy a hero
[2013-09-01 오후 6:15:42] Ruaan Nel: Cause I wanted to skip a sc2 practice and do a lol session instead
[2013-09-01 오후 6:16:16] Ruaan Nel: Then halfway through the weekend I remembered you can just buy heroes with money lol
[2013-09-01 오후 6:17:49] Nick: zzzz
[2013-09-01 오후 6:17:56] Ruaan Nel: So I have the heroes now and if ur keen I can record a session of me playing kha'zix and we can review it
[2013-09-01 오후 6:18:10] Ruaan Nel: Or we can do an elo boost session
[2013-09-01 오후 6:18:18] Ruaan Nel: I'm game for anything
[2013-09-01 오후 6:20:04] Ruaan Nel: So I own zed jayce and kha'zix now
[2013-09-01 오후 6:20:11] Ruaan Nel: As you suggested
[2013-09-01 오후 6:21:09] Ruaan Nel: Played a game with kha'zix and found it really difficult to exploit his passive properly
[2013-09-02 오후 10:42:55] Ruaan Nel: So when do u want to do our lol coaching
[2013-09-02 오후 10:44:15] Nick: on weekends
[2013-09-02 오후 10:44:15] Nick: o.o
[2013-09-02 오후 11:12:50] Ruaan Nel: Ok so let's organise it for Friday at 10pm my time?
[2013-09-02 오후 11:14:47] Nick: hmm
[2013-09-02 오후 11:14:55] Nick: can you msg me on thursday to confirm that?
[2013-09-02 오후 11:20:03] Ruaan Nel: Yeah suee
[2013-09-02 오후 11:20:03] Ruaan Nel: Sure
[2013-09-05 오전 3:14:37] Ruaan Nel: hey there
[2013-09-05 오전 3:14:44] Ruaan Nel: just wanna confirm a coaching time for this weekend
[2013-09-05 오후 1:46:14] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-05 오후 1:46:31] Nick: would monday like 6am for me, late sunday work for you>?
[2013-09-06 오전 1:30:13] Ruaan Nel: i would prefer if we could make it 5am for you
[2013-09-06 오전 1:30:27] Ruaan Nel: since its a bit late on a working night
[2013-09-06 오전 1:34:49] Nick: ok that should be fine
[2013-09-06 오전 1:48:33] Ruaan Nel: cool looking forward to it
[2013-09-06 오전 1:48:41] Ruaan Nel: btw im playing kha'zix
[2013-09-06 오전 1:48:44] Ruaan Nel: should or shouldnt i get
[2013-09-06 오전 1:48:47] Ruaan Nel: the tear
[2013-09-06 오전 1:49:02] Ruaan Nel: ive watched some streams and found some conflicting info
[2013-09-06 오전 1:49:24] Ruaan Nel: atm im just getting a flask, and then i go brutalizer bloodthirster LWhisper randiuns
[2013-09-06 오전 1:49:58] Ruaan Nel: ofc sometimes i go hexdrinker if the situation calls for it
[2013-09-06 오전 3:27:38] Nick: hexdrinker is against mids
[2013-09-06 오전 3:27:40] Nick: that one-combo you
[2013-09-06 오전 3:27:48] Nick: andor double ap teams
[2013-09-06 오전 3:27:50] Ruaan Nel: ok
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:07] Ruaan Nel: yeah im playing a double ap team now but vs renekton top
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:13] Ruaan Nel: i think ill skip hexdrinker then?
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:26] Ruaan Nel: ap jungle and ap middle
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:37] Ruaan Nel: anyways what do you think about manamune build
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:38] Nick: double ap means
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:42] Nick: ap top and mid
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:45] Nick: jungler is irrelevant
[2013-09-06 오전 3:28:46] Ruaan Nel: oh ok
[2013-09-08 오전 2:10:24] Ruaan Nel: hey you asked me if we could do coaching at 6am your time tomorrow, and i asked for 5am
[2013-09-08 오전 2:10:36] Ruaan Nel: it would be easier if we start at 6am actually
[2013-09-08 오전 2:10:37] Ruaan Nel: is that ok
[2013-09-08 오전 2:10:56] Ruaan Nel: since i only found out yesterday that i have to take a evening flight
[2013-09-08 오전 2:11:27] Ruaan Nel: so we do coaching 28hours from now
[2013-09-08 오전 2:16:05] Nick: yeah o.o
[2013-09-08 오전 2:19:43] Ruaan Nel: kk great
[2013-09-08 오전 2:19:48] Ruaan Nel: my stream is up and running
[2013-09-08 오전 2:20:03] Ruaan Nel: so we have plenty of khazix top and middle footage :D
[2013-09-08 오전 2:20:31] Ruaan Nel: i also bought zed and jayce but been to scared to try them as of yet
[2013-09-09 오전 5:58:15] Ruaan Nel: hey man, rdy whenever you are
[2013-09-09 오전 6:29:38] Ruaan Nel: hey u there?
[2013-09-09 오전 7:35:55] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-09 오전 7:36:09] Nick: just took my bf to train station ;o sorry for getting back late
[2013-09-09 오전 7:36:13] Nick: you have vod etc? o.o
[2013-09-09 오전 7:37:34] Nick: if you're unable to do it right now but have a vod, you could send me the vod and i can make a audio recording of me examing it, then i can send to you, then after you listen to the audio recording we could chat for 15minutes/go over it? (ive done this in the past for LoL as the game is entirely theory based)
[2013-09-09 오전 7:46:04] Ruaan Nel: hey
[2013-09-09 오전 7:46:10] Ruaan Nel: im still here
[2013-09-09 오전 7:47:10] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-09 오전 7:47:17] Nick: you have vod ready etc? o.o
[2013-09-09 오전 7:47:30] Nick: brb bathroom
[2013-09-09 오전 7:47:44] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-09 오전 7:47:45] Ruaan Nel: i do
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:26] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:34] Ruaan Nel: ok cool i have
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:35] Ruaan Nel: my link ehre
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:40] Ruaan Nel: http://www.twitch.tv/bakchiadai/b/457426079
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:42] Nick: ok i have to DL it or?
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:44] Nick: ok sec
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:45] Ruaan Nel: we can start of with this one
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:48] Ruaan Nel: nah u can stream
[2013-09-09 오전 7:53:58] Nick: cant stream any coaching etc o.o
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:10] Ruaan Nel: no its my
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:13] Ruaan Nel: recorded games
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:18] Ruaan Nel: we can wath it
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:20] Ruaan Nel: watch it
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:29] Ruaan Nel: and you can comment like a replay
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:39] Nick: yes
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:42] Nick: thats what i do ;o
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:46] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:48] Ruaan Nel: go to the link
[2013-09-09 오전 7:54:56] Nick: sec gotta skim vod
[2013-09-09 오전 7:55:12] Nick: its still loading -0-; ok sec
[2013-09-09 오전 7:56:58] Nick: it doesnt look like a win o.o?
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:03] Nick: its buffering tho, im at 28mins
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:18] Ruaan Nel: haha i recorded losses
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:23] Ruaan Nel: when i was winning really easy
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:24] Nick: oh
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:25] Nick: ;o
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:26] Ruaan Nel: i stopped the recording
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:30] Nick: oh i need
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:30] Ruaan Nel: for the most part
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:30] Nick: a win
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:31] Nick: zzzzz
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:34] Ruaan Nel: i have wins
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:36] Ruaan Nel: also
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:37] Nick: ok
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:40] Nick: can i see
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:40] Nick: one
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:51] Nick: just wanna find effective thing
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:55] Nick: i do this for all LoL coaching cuz
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:59] Ruaan Nel: yeah sure
[2013-09-09 오전 7:57:59] Nick: its very specific to
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:01] Nick: the m/u mid
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:06] Nick: and/or if you're itemizing correct
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:09] Nick: and/or if the game is fine
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:12] Ruaan Nel: http://www.twitch.tv/bakchiadai/b/457467191
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:15] Nick: like its not a blowout or w/e
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:15] Ruaan Nel: ok this is just me
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:20] Ruaan Nel: owning a gankplank
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:22] Ruaan Nel: top and then
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:33] Nick: do you have a mid kha'zix win? o.o
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:40] Ruaan Nel: no
[2013-09-09 오전 7:58:46] Ruaan Nel: i only play him top really
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:10] Ruaan Nel: the link i posted
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:11] Ruaan Nel: go to
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:12] Ruaan Nel: 42mins
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:16] Ruaan Nel: this is riven and ryze
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:19] Ruaan Nel: we play mid top
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:20] Nick: ok
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:23] Ruaan Nel: changing cause we lane swap
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:25] Ruaan Nel: alot
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:29] Ruaan Nel: i lose early then blowout
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:38] Ruaan Nel: but i guess tahts not a complete blowout
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:41] Ruaan Nel: i think i stopped recording once
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:44] Ruaan Nel: it was over
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:52] Nick: this is
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:53] Ruaan Nel: but there is like 20mins of gametime here
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:56] Nick: gp top one
[2013-09-09 오전 7:59:58] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:00] Ruaan Nel: go to
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:02] Ruaan Nel: 42 misn
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:17] Ruaan Nel: 42mins there is a mid battle and alot of tactics which were questionable
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:23] Ruaan Nel: which i think you could advise on
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:26] Ruaan Nel: we did liek 5 laneswaps
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:52] Nick: 42mins
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:54] Nick: is a new game
[2013-09-09 오전 8:00:55] Nick: this?
[2013-09-09 오전 8:01:05] Ruaan Nel: yew
[2013-09-09 오전 8:01:12] Ruaan Nel: this is me vs riven top
[2013-09-09 오전 8:01:15] Ruaan Nel: so i laneswap to go vs ryze
[2013-09-09 오전 8:01:32] Ruaan Nel: i mean lux
[2013-09-09 오전 8:02:35] Nick: the laneswap call is incorrect but
[2013-09-09 오전 8:02:41] Nick: im checking to see if its fine
[2013-09-09 오전 8:02:47] Nick: what i mean by this is
[2013-09-09 오전 8:02:49] Nick: well wait just voice
[2013-09-09 오전 8:02:54] Nick: you can voice really quick?
[2013-09-09 오전 8:02:58] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-09 오전 8:03:05] *** Call to Ruaan Nel, duration 51:52. ***

( Note I believe if my memory serves correct, we talked game theory, uncharged for 45minutes or so and then PP the lesson as I wanted him to have the most effective material for bettering his knowledge of the game and overall understanding)

[2013-09-10 오전 1:19:43] Ruaan Nel: hey there
[2013-09-10 오전 1:19:58] Ruaan Nel: im available tonight late if you are avaialbe
[2013-09-10 오전 1:20:11] Ruaan Nel: 10 or 11pm my time
[2013-09-10 오전 2:50:23] Nick: yo tonight wont work cuz i got invited
[2013-09-10 오전 2:50:25] Nick: to 'turn 2'
[2013-09-10 오전 2:50:35] Nick: today o.o
[2013-09-10 오전 4:01:11] Ruaan Nel: hehe
[2013-09-10 오전 4:01:17] Ruaan Nel: ok have fun!
[2013-09-10 오전 4:01:28] Ruaan Nel: i iwll try get some good games in the meantime
[2013-09-10 오후 11:12:52] Ruaan Nel: hey you available for coaching tonight at about 9pm my time?
[2013-09-10 오후 11:14:49] Nick: yes should be
[2013-09-10 오후 11:15:08] Nick: btw
[2013-09-10 오후 11:15:42] Nick: are we going to go through the next reset of hours/etc for the next $100? i'll need to know before i move to busan o.o cashing out paypal, will be last time i can cash it out for about a month due to the korean friend no longer being near-by
[2013-09-10 오후 11:45:42] Ruaan Nel: yeah sure
[2013-09-10 오후 11:45:49] Ruaan Nel: sorry was in a game
[2013-09-10 오후 11:45:53] Nick: np o.o
[2013-09-10 오후 11:45:56] Ruaan Nel: went well early but then lost
[2013-09-10 오후 11:45:56] Ruaan Nel: haha
[2013-09-10 오후 11:46:04] Nick: also so in like 4hrs 15mins?
[2013-09-10 오후 11:46:08] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-10 오후 11:47:01] Ruaan Nel: how are lol sessions structured
[2013-09-10 오후 11:47:32] Ruaan Nel: should we just use the last 2hours of my last package (we still have 1h of coaching but because u went over so many times lets call that one done after tonight)>
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:02] Nick: ok sure
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:21] Ruaan Nel: i can make payment now if u want
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:21] Nick: and i'd prefer to just do 1hr tonight and LoL lesson structure ill go over before we start
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:24] Nick: its just like a super replay
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:28] Nick: ok that'd be cool
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:38] Ruaan Nel: ok cool
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:39] Nick: and as i said before
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:45] Nick: past 3months ive done way more LoL
[2013-09-10 오후 11:48:46] Nick: than sc2
[2013-09-10 오후 11:49:26] Ruaan Nel: ok
[2013-09-10 오후 11:49:32] Ruaan Nel: whats ur paypal again
[2013-09-10 오후 11:49:50] Nick: nicholas.a.decesare@gmail.com
[2013-09-10 오후 11:52:53] Ruaan Nel: im just paying
[2013-09-10 오후 11:52:54] Ruaan Nel: 102
[2013-09-10 오후 11:52:56] Ruaan Nel: again
[2013-09-10 오후 11:52:58] Ruaan Nel: for goods or services
[2013-09-10 오후 11:53:14] Ruaan Nel: since i like to keep a legit finance record etc
[2013-09-10 오후 11:54:28] Nick: ok sure thing
[2013-09-10 오후 11:54:35] Ruaan Nel: cool
[2013-09-10 오후 11:54:36] Ruaan Nel: its done
[2013-09-10 오후 11:54:54] Nick: ok so in 4hrs roughly we'll do a session then o.o
[2013-09-10 오후 11:55:00] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-10 오후 11:55:51] Ruaan Nel: im vs a corki now
[2013-09-10 오후 11:55:54] Ruaan Nel: hopefully this will be
[2013-09-10 오후 11:55:56] Ruaan Nel: the easy win
[2013-09-10 오후 11:56:00] Ruaan Nel: that we can review lol
[2013-09-10 오후 11:56:32] Nick: zzz
[2013-09-10 오후 11:56:36] Nick: kha'zix vs corki mid? o.o
[2013-09-10 오후 11:56:39] Ruaan Nel: haah yeah
[2013-09-10 오후 11:56:43] Nick: zzzzz
[2013-09-10 오후 11:56:45] Ruaan Nel: i should
[2013-09-10 오후 11:56:46] Ruaan Nel: roll him
[2013-09-11 오전 3:58:48] Ruaan Nel: Hey there
[2013-09-11 오전 4:00:59] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-11 오전 4:01:20] Ruaan Nel: ok so i uploaded my replay
[2013-09-11 오전 4:01:22] Ruaan Nel: to youtube
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:16] Nick: oh ok
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:18] Ruaan Nel:

[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:20] Nick: im about to finish w/ wolf
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:24] Nick: ill msg you in like 5mins
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:25] Nick: o.o!
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:25] Ruaan Nel: this was the best replay i could get since
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:27] Ruaan Nel: ok
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:28] Ruaan Nel: cool
[2013-09-11 오전 4:03:44] Ruaan Nel: ill play a sc2 but will cheese!
[2013-09-11 오전 4:15:44] Ruaan Nel: hey u need 10 more mins?
[2013-09-11 오전 4:15:46] Ruaan Nel: i can play another sc2 quick
[2013-09-11 오전 4:16:34] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-11 오전 4:16:34] Nick: yeah
[2013-09-11 오전 4:16:38] Nick: his game almost over ;o
[2013-09-11 오전 4:17:21] Ruaan Nel: kk cool
[2013-09-11 오전 4:17:28] Ruaan Nel: another 2base timing coming up LD
[2013-09-11 오전 4:17:34] Ruaan Nel: :D
[2013-09-11 오전 4:27:19] Ruaan Nel: kk cool
[2013-09-11 오전 4:27:20] Ruaan Nel: im done
[2013-09-11 오전 4:33:56] Nick: ok
[2013-09-11 오전 4:34:02] Nick: im rdy in 2 wolf just doing his
[2013-09-11 오전 4:34:03] Nick: giveaway
[2013-09-11 오전 4:34:06] Nick: !
[2013-09-11 오전 4:37:59] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-11 오전 4:38:10] *** Call to Ruaan Nel ***
[2013-09-11 오전 4:48:21] Ruaan Nel: http://youtu.be/xcthiTh8PMU
[2013-09-11 오전 4:49:14] Ruaan Nel: https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=xcthiTh8PMU&ns=1
[2013-09-11 오전 4:50:06] *** Nick sent IMG_11092013_045006.png IMG_11092013_045006.png ***
[2013-09-11 오전 4:50:13] Ruaan Nel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcthiTh8PMU
[2013-09-11 오전 5:39:32] Nick:

[2013-09-11 오전 6:11:11] Nick: http://i.stack.imgur.com/Vk4Hv.png
[2013-09-11 오전 6:11:54] Nick:

[2013-09-11 오전 6:15:15] *** Call ended, duration 1:37:04 ***

Note: I go over by an extended period of time, uncharged, again. Also enable him to change his coaching from games (SC2 to LoL)

[2013-09-12 오전 9:59:56] Nick: hey yo, are we able to reschedule the coaching set for friday to monday or tuesday of next week instead? a friend from the ProS house (2011 house) msg'd me asking me meet up before i leave, as he enters army in november and i won't see him for 2++ years
[2013-09-12 오후 6:19:00] Ruaan Nel: Hey there I need some pointers on how to build eve
[2013-09-12 오후 6:19:23] Ruaan Nel: Masteries and item build
[2013-09-12 오후 6:21:26] Ruaan Nel: I'm currently going 21/9 and my typical build would be spirit of elder lizard merc treads (depending on their comp) rylais
[2013-09-12 오후 6:21:45] Ruaan Nel: After that I'm kinda at a loss
[2013-09-12 오후 8:57:51] Ruaan Nel: yeah thats fine
[2013-09-12 오후 8:57:53 | Edited 오후 8:58:06] Ruaan Nel: no problem (rescheduling the coaching
[2013-09-12 오후 9:19:55] Nick: spirit of lizard elder
[2013-09-12 오후 9:19:58] Nick: sorc boots
[2013-09-12 오후 9:20:02] Nick: then a lot of it depends on
[2013-09-12 오후 9:20:06] Nick: enemy team comp
[2013-09-12 오후 9:20:09] Nick: also how well you're doing
[2013-09-12 오후 9:20:13] Nick: etc
[2013-09-12 오후 9:20:18] Nick: you can go
[2013-09-12 오후 9:20:40] Nick: spirt of lizard elder -> tier 1 boots -> fiendish codex -> haunting guise -> DFG completion
[2013-09-12 오후 9:45:22] Ruaan Nel: ok sweet
[2013-09-12 오후 9:45:29] Ruaan Nel: so she must remain aggresive in her build
[2013-09-12 오후 9:45:35] Ruaan Nel: no warmongs sunfire nonsense
[2013-09-12 오후 9:45:43] Ruaan Nel: anyways our coaching move is fine with me
[2013-09-12 오후 9:46:00] Ruaan Nel: we can arrange it for monday or tuesday
[2013-09-12 오후 9:46:09] Nick: ok cool
[2013-09-12 오후 9:46:13] Nick: and well she can get warmogs
[2013-09-12 오후 9:46:14] Nick: later
[2013-09-12 오후 9:46:39] Ruaan Nel: but the dfg if she is doing well
[2013-09-12 오후 9:46:47] Nick: you rush if it doing well
[2013-09-12 오후 9:47:03] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-12 오후 9:47:08] Ruaan Nel: btw i won 8 ranked games
[2013-09-12 오후 9:47:09] Ruaan Nel: in a row
[2013-09-12 오후 9:47:11] Ruaan Nel: after our coaching
[2013-09-12 오후 9:47:14] Ruaan Nel: havent lost a game
[2013-09-12 오후 9:47:27] Ruaan Nel: so kudos
[2013-09-12 오후 9:47:53] Nick: sick job man
[2013-09-12 오후 9:48:02] Ruaan Nel: cs is in fact king haha
[2013-09-12 오후 9:48:53] Nick: yeah it is man lol
[2013-09-12 오후 9:48:56] Nick: how are you doing on it?
[2013-09-12 오후 9:49:11] Ruaan Nel: im still struggling
[2013-09-12 오후 9:49:14] Ruaan Nel: cssing under tower
[2013-09-12 오후 9:49:22] Ruaan Nel: but im much more focussed on it
[2013-09-12 오후 9:49:52] Ruaan Nel: every decision i make is basically whats gonna give my team the change of getting more cs or the enemy team less chance
[2013-09-12 오후 9:50:07] Ruaan Nel: and then that transitions into spamming objectives midgame
[2013-09-12 오후 9:50:21] Ruaan Nel: like im in silver so ppl dont work together
[2013-09-12 오후 9:50:26] Ruaan Nel: but if u spam pings and say early
[2013-09-12 오후 9:50:39] Ruaan Nel: guys lets do x and y and then dragon
[2013-09-12 오후 9:50:41] Ruaan Nel: they actually listen
[2013-09-12 오후 9:51:07] Nick: yeah
[2013-09-12 오후 9:51:12] Nick: if you start to carry ppl just listen
[2013-09-17 오후 5:55:18] Ruaan Nel: hey man
[2013-09-17 오후 5:55:24] Ruaan Nel: lemme know when you wanna do another session
[2013-09-17 오후 5:56:37] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-17 오후 5:56:51] Nick: i could do it at 8am~10am kst tomorrow
[2013-09-17 오후 5:57:00] Nick: or if you'd want super flexible times
[2013-09-17 오후 5:57:11] Nick: wednesday, thursday, friday for me are 100% free cuz its chuseok in korea
[2013-09-17 오후 5:57:12] Nick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuseok
[2013-09-17 오후 5:57:20] Nick: im gonna be alone in my place for 4days straight lol
[2013-09-17 오후 8:20:26] Ruaan Nel: Haha Ok cool
[2013-09-17 오후 8:21:08] Ruaan Nel: Erm I'd have to say that 8am-10am is a bit late for me on a weekday.
[2013-09-17 오후 8:21:47] Ruaan Nel: We could try Wednesday 7am-9am my time
[2013-09-17 오후 8:22:09] Ruaan Nel: Which would be 2pm-4pm for you
[2013-09-17 오후 8:23:05 | Edited 오후 8:44:59] Ruaan Nel: I went from silver 4 to silver 1btw since our coaching
[2013-09-17 오후 8:23:31] Ruaan Nel: Only getting 5lp per game now so the climb to gold is slow
[2013-09-18 오전 4:21:31] Ruaan Nel: hey lets not do it for 7am-9am my time lets try for later ill msg u during work tomorrow
[2013-09-18 오전 6:04:09] Nick: ok
[2013-09-18 오후 5:27:53] Ruaan Nel: Hey man
[2013-09-18 오후 5:28:29] Ruaan Nel: When are you available today? I'll be able to do coaching at 4:30pm or after until about 11pm my time
[2013-09-18 오후 5:32:43] Nick: ㅛㅐㅛㅐ
[2013-09-18 오후 5:32:43] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-18 오후 5:32:46] Nick: ok
[2013-09-18 오후 5:32:48] Nick: lets do 11pm your time
[2013-09-18 오후 5:35:19] Ruaan Nel: Oki
[2013-09-18 오후 5:37:50] Ruaan Nel: What do you want me to upload this time
[2013-09-18 오후 5:38:04] Ruaan Nel: Or are we gonna do a live streaming game?
[2013-09-18 오후 5:39:48] Nick: upload
[2013-09-18 오후 5:39:49] Nick: another mid game
[2013-09-18 오후 5:39:50] Nick: oo;
[2013-09-18 오후 5:41:07] Ruaan Nel: Ok
[2013-09-18 오후 5:41:22] Ruaan Nel: I have it with better quality this time
[2013-09-18 오후 5:41:28] Ruaan Nel: And with me talking in the mic
[2013-09-18 오후 5:43:11] Nick: ok
[2013-09-18 오후 5:43:12] Nick: oo;
[2013-09-18 오후 5:43:18] Nick: ideally same kind of game
[2013-09-18 오후 5:45:03] Ruaan Nel: Ok
[2013-09-18 오후 5:45:45] Ruaan Nel: I will play Annie or kha'zix again
[2013-09-18 오후 5:53:32] Nick: kha'zix
[2013-09-18 오후 5:53:33] Nick: annie is
[2013-09-18 오후 5:53:36] Nick: team-comp specific
[2013-09-19 오전 6:02:56] Ruaan Nel: yo you still good for tonight
[2013-09-19 오전 6:54:49] Ruaan Nel: guess not im off to bed
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:29] Nick: ㅛㅐㅛㅐ
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:30] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:31] Nick: i am awake
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:32] Nick: o_o
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:32] Nick: !
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:33] Ruaan Nel: !! u hi!
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:40] Nick: i just woke up
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:40] Nick: lol
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:42] Nick: ~_~
[2013-09-19 오전 6:57:44] Ruaan Nel: ok i have to queue dodge :D
[2013-09-19 오전 6:58:06] Ruaan Nel: kk 3mins lemme get coffee
[2013-09-19 오전 7:02:06] Nick: i need coffee etc
[2013-09-19 오전 7:02:08] Nick: im a zombie atm
[2013-09-19 오전 7:02:09] Nick: ~_~
[2013-09-19 오전 7:03:08] Ruaan Nel: kk
[2013-09-19 오전 7:03:16] Ruaan Nel: hurry its already quite late here
[2013-09-19 오전 7:03:23] Ruaan Nel: will only be able to do an hour session
[2013-09-19 오전 7:13:28] Nick: ok coffee is making atm ;o need like 10mins
[2013-09-19 오전 7:13:28] Nick: T_T
[2013-09-19 오전 7:13:42] Nick: so sorry lol alarm didnt go off
[2013-09-19 오전 7:13:52] Nick: wanted to wake up at 4am
[2013-09-19 오전 7:14:04] Ruaan Nel: its np
[2013-09-19 오전 7:19:26] Nick: yoyo
[2013-09-19 오전 7:19:27] Nick: gogo?
[2013-09-19 오전 7:19:40] Ruaan Nel: yeah
[2013-09-19 오전 7:20:03] *** Call from Ruaan Nel ***
[2013-09-19 오전 7:22:10] Ruaan Nel: http://www.youtube.com/user/bakchiadai
[2013-09-19 오전 8:14:42] Nick:

[2013-09-19 오전 8:37:23] *** Call ended, duration 1:17:20 ***
[2013-09-19 오후 6:14:22] Ruaan Nel: btw can you please send me
[2013-09-19 오후 8:33:31] Nick: oo;?
[2013-09-19 오후 9:45:36] Ruaan Nel: Oh Shit dit send my message
[2013-09-19 오후 9:45:57] Ruaan Nel: I wanted the link to that Korean page for tryndamere top pushing strategy
[2013-09-19 오후 9:46:25] Ruaan Nel: I want to see if Google translate can work some magic

Notice again, I go over time again.

[2013-09-22 오전 10:35:50] Nick: hey yo
[2013-09-22 오전 10:36:09] Nick: these next few days i might not be able to do coaching, dealing with a potential cancer scare atm, i'll find out tomorrow
[2013-09-22 오후 7:15:32] Ruaan Nel: ok cool man
[2013-09-22 오후 7:15:34] Ruaan Nel: hope its nothing serious


(Had lump near ribcage that looked extremely bizarre, sent photos to a doctor friend in US who told me it resembled something that could be cancerous, was pretty afraid until I went to get the Xrays etc.)


[2013-09-24 오후 5:47:43] Nick: hey man
[2013-09-24 오후 5:47:52] Nick: i have fractured rib / severe inflammation ~_~
[2013-09-24 오후 8:44:21] Ruaan Nel: hey there sorry to hear about that
[2013-09-24 오후 8:44:26] Ruaan Nel: how did that happen?
[2013-09-24 오후 8:47:15] Nick: unsure as to how
[2013-09-24 오후 8:47:24] Nick: doctor thinks malnourishment due to what i was doing
[2013-09-24 오후 8:47:29] Nick: made my bones fragile
[2013-09-24 오후 8:47:32] Nick: and my bf
[2013-09-24 오후 8:47:42] Nick: fractured
[2013-09-24 오후 8:47:50] Nick: it when he must've touched the xiphoid
[2013-09-24 오후 9:32:50] Ruaan Nel: jesus
[2013-09-24 오후 9:32:54] Ruaan Nel: dude you need to take care of yourself
[2013-09-24 오후 9:32:56] Ruaan Nel: vitamins!
[2013-09-24 오후 9:33:00] Ruaan Nel: omega 3!
[2013-09-24 오후 10:07:06] Ruaan Nel: oh and
[2013-09-24 오후 10:07:14] Ruaan Nel: you need 30mins of sunlight
[2013-09-24 오후 10:07:16] Ruaan Nel: daylay
[2013-09-24 오후 10:07:21] Ruaan Nel: dayly on average
[2013-09-24 오후 10:07:28] Ruaan Nel: for your body to manufacture enough vit D
[2013-09-24 오후 10:07:32] Ruaan Nel: to nourish your bones
[2013-09-24 오후 10:07:43] Ruaan Nel: for me living in Africa thats easy
[2013-09-28 오후 11:02:15] Ruaan Nel: hey man, you feeling better?
[2013-09-28 오후 11:02:37] Nick: ye
[2013-09-28 오후 11:02:40] Nick: medicine ended today oo;
[2013-09-28 오후 11:02:57] Ruaan Nel: thats good
[2013-09-28 오후 11:03:07] Ruaan Nel: leme know when ur up for another session
[2013-09-28 오후 11:03:08] Ruaan Nel: no rush though
[2013-09-28 오후 11:03:13] Ruaan Nel: whenever it suits you
[2013-09-28 오후 11:04:33] Nick: ok probably monday night or tuesday then?
[2013-09-28 오후 11:05:21] Ruaan Nel: sure if we can start
[2013-09-28 오후 11:05:23] Ruaan Nel: at 10pm my time
[2013-09-28 오후 11:05:34] Ruaan Nel: thats suits me
[2013-10-05 오후 4:41:51] Nick: yoyo what happened :O
[2013-10-05 오후 4:41:57] Nick: no msg ever came o.o
[2013-10-05 오후 4:48:41] Ruaan Nel: hey let me know when you can coach we arranged for monday or tuesday night 10pm but we never confirmed
[2013-10-05 오후 4:49:01] Ruaan Nel: and i was to tired to follow up
[2013-10-05 오후 4:49:30] Ruaan Nel: but im available sunday evening my time

?? So he doesn't show but it's my fault? Because there was no confirmed time, I also don't blame him, no party is at fault here in my opinion.

[2013-10-07 오전 4:46:46] Ruaan Nel: no reply?
[2013-10-07 오전 4:47:45] Ruaan Nel: was keen to do coaching tonite
[2013-10-08 오전 1:38:35] Nick: yoyo
[2013-10-08 오전 1:39:00] Nick: [2013-10-05 오후 4:41:51] Nick: yoyo what happened :O
[2013-10-05 오후 4:41:57] Nick: no msg ever came o.o
[2013-10-05 오후 4:48:41] Ruaan Nel: hey let me know when you can coach we arranged for monday or tuesday night 10pm but we never confirmed
[2013-10-05 오후 4:49:01] Ruaan Nel: and i was to tired to follow up
[2013-10-05 오후 4:49:30] Ruaan Nel: but im available sunday evening my time

[2013-10-08 오전 1:39:07] Nick: just thought this meant you'd msg me sunday night zz


[2013-10-09 오전 12:37:18] Nick: o.o!
[2013-10-09 오전 1:09:51] Ruaan Nel: yo

Note lack of replies despite I'm responding, cross time-zones and have been trying to accommodate by skewing my sleep schedule to fit.



[2013-10-16 오전 8:20:29] Nick: yo :O
[2013-10-16 오전 8:20:40] Nick: when's next session :O
[2013-10-16 오전 8:20:45] Nick: have you been busy or o.o?
[2013-10-17 오전 1:40:14] Ruaan Nel: Yeah I been super busy man but I'm getting back into lol this last week
[2013-10-17 오전 1:40:23] Ruaan Nel: Yeah let's do a session Friday if it suits you
[2013-10-17 오전 1:40:29] Ruaan Nel: 10pm my time?
[2013-10-17 오후 3:08:14] Ruaan Nel: Please reply so I can know to keep a time free
[2013-10-17 오후 3:09:58] Nick: oh yo for somereason when im waking up i have no msgs or w/e
[2013-10-17 오후 3:10:05] Nick: i dont see ppls msgs till they msg me
[2013-10-17 오후 3:10:16] Nick: friday 10pm your time is rough for me
[2013-10-17 오후 3:10:25] Nick: need earlier or later
[2013-10-17 오후 3:51:01] Ruaan Nel: Ok can make it at 12pm my time?
[2013-10-17 오후 3:51:14] Nick: ok
[2013-10-17 오후 3:51:24] Nick: or just saturday
[2013-10-17 오후 3:51:26] Nick: anytime is fine
[2013-10-17 오후 3:52:24] Ruaan Nel: Let's go Friday 12pm that should work nicely but I am also available on Saturday should the Friday session not work out.
[2013-10-18 오후 3:45:06] Nick: yoyo ;; we will have to do saturday i think, but ill msg again in about 2hrs
[2013-10-18 오후 4:41:11] Ruaan Nel: Ok that's not a problem
[2013-10-18 오후 4:41:39] Ruaan Nel: Just give me a time on Saturday when you are available and I will confirm
[2013-10-19 오전 12:05:10] Ruaan Nel: Please respond
[2013-10-19 오전 12:06:24] Nick: yoyo
[2013-10-19 오전 12:06:31] Nick: saturday like
[2013-10-19 오전 12:06:37] Nick: hmm
[2013-10-19 오전 12:06:43] Nick: 6am kst?
[2013-10-19 오전 12:06:46] Nick: well
[2013-10-19 오전 12:06:48] Nick: approx
[2013-10-19 오전 12:06:54] Nick: 30hrs from now?
[2013-10-19 오전 12:09:17] Ruaan Nel: Yes great
[2013-10-19 오전 12:09:22] Ruaan Nel: That's perfect for me
[2013-10-20 오전 5:29:27] Ruaan Nel: hey man
[2013-10-20 오전 5:29:58] Ruaan Nel: wont be able to do coaching tonight sorry i have some presonal shit to deal with
[2013-10-20 오전 5:30:22] Ruaan Nel: maybe some other time sorry
[2013-10-20 오전 5:31:13] Nick: ok ok ;o
[2013-10-20 오후 9:19:38] Ruaan Nel: hey man
[2013-10-20 오후 9:19:58] Nick: sup
[2013-10-20 오후 9:20:02] Ruaan Nel: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbR0km82ZqiHTUHN8hJn0tQ
[2013-10-20 오후 9:20:13] Ruaan Nel: this si the game i want to review if you have time to check over it
[2013-10-20 오후 9:20:21] Ruaan Nel: im available all day today but ofc
[2013-10-20 오후 9:20:24] Ruaan Nel: understand if your busy
[2013-10-20 오후 9:20:32] Ruaan Nel: sorry i was actually quite drunk last nite
[2013-10-20 오후 9:20:35] Ruaan Nel: thought it would be a waste
[2013-10-20 오후 9:20:39 | Edited 오후 9:21:00] Ruaan Nel: to do coaching
[2013-10-20 오후 9:24:35] Ruaan Nel:

[2013-10-20 오후 9:24:41] Ruaan Nel: sorry i gave you the channel link

He cancels twice, again. Again, I don't care, I really liked the sessions, and I'm not going anywhere. I have no problems.

[2013-10-26 오후 9:35:13] Nick: hiyo
[2013-10-26 오후 9:35:24] Nick: ill be free tuesday ;o
[2013-10-26 오후 9:35:30] Nick: this is what's causing everything: http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/1p90y2/ls_fundraisercharity_event_25_betakey_giveaway/
[2013-10-26 오후 10:47:57] Ruaan Nel: hey dude i am really sorry to hear about your illness
[2013-10-26 오후 10:48:07] Nick: thanks ;;
[2013-10-26 오후 10:48:14] Nick: sorry i wasnt able to chat much last few days
[2013-10-26 오후 10:48:15] Nick: this is why
[2013-10-26 오후 10:48:19] Ruaan Nel: i hope that
[2013-10-26 오후 10:48:26] Ruaan Nel: as many ppl donate as pssible
[2013-10-26 오후 10:48:46] Ruaan Nel: is this disease curable
[2013-10-26 오후 10:48:51] Ruaan Nel: what is the success rate with the procedure
[2013-10-26 오후 10:50:20] Nick: yeah
[2013-10-26 오후 10:50:23] Nick: success is 100%
[2013-10-26 오후 10:50:33] Nick: unless the eye was already at a 'possible failure' state
[2013-10-26 오후 10:50:37] Nick: which mine isn't at [yet]
[2013-10-26 오후 10:50:39] Nick: but im on a clock
[2013-10-26 오후 10:53:36] Ruaan Nel: yeah man ill be tuning in
[2013-10-26 오후 10:53:41] Ruaan Nel: and supportin ur cause
[2013-10-26 오후 10:53:43] Ruaan Nel: gl
[2013-10-26 오후 11:00:24] Nick: thanks :O

These are the last messages before he posts in this thread claiming I'm unresponsive, unavailable. I message him and truth be told respond like a douchebag, because I feel wronged by someone whom I actually really enjoyed coaching. That in part with a really bad set of games for the day/other life stressors going on lead to me acting super childish in a bad manner skype chat that I'm super sorry for and have said so a few hours after the fact.



I really like you actually, as a person and also as a student. I'm sorry you feel the way you do towards me. How do you post here two days ago claiming you can't reach me? I tweet/post on FB daily. I stream 12-14hrs a day, if you feel like I'm "avoiding you" why not call me out in public forum such as my stream or something?

As I said, I have no problems with you, you were one of my favorite students, and thus I also tried to go overboard with some knowledge stuff (searching stuff up before/after lessons to bring to your attention in relation to current meta trends on Korea). However, I will not be lied about. Everyone seems to try to make me out as this villain, it's disgusting and sickening for the last six years, due to something I do when I'm 13/14? I would implore people to try to say I don't actively/publicly freely help all communities whenever I can. (saying this as a general statement, obviously there are very good players that are active) My Skype. Personal Facebook. Twitter. Everything is public for people seeking quick questions. I always respond and try to help anyone who messages me. And you try to speak ill of this?

Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
December 18 2013 12:36 GMT
#511
lol

User was warned for this post
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 12:46:14
December 18 2013 12:40 GMT
#512
On December 18 2013 18:29 ratty wrote:
come here looking to see who would actually still be having a convo on a fan club like this one and have walked in to a shit storm. this is just awful, even if he is not trying to rip people off ( looks like he is to me) he is a being a dick, i have actually never really heard good things about LS. when every he is mentioned it kinda in a cloud of o that guy who got in to this tournament or something threw other methods then his playing ability.



This is the humor it all. All my social medias are publicly available (including my personal Facebook, and Skype). I negotiate prices of coaching to people who show me they can't afford certain set prices. I go over on coaching sessions often with people. I make vLogs/guides for SC2/LoL(I'm Diamond Korea in LoL, not like I just randomly picked up the game) and Hearthstone. I gave away over 40 HS betakeys (wouldn't someone as toxic as me just have rather sold them or something?). I answer anyone, and everyone (even those who wish ill towards me) who wants help with a game and has some questions. I allow anyone to essentially bm me on any public forum without me responding because I accept responsibility for cheating when I was 13/14 in SC1.

I'm not perfect. I am bm, and I have high standards (viewed as Korean-elitism. I do act childish sometimes and am regretful of that. I do make mistakes. However through this I still try to be helpful to anyone who asks or seeks it.

To quote something: "Aren't you guy that cheated against me numerous times and now you're sleeping on my couch and you watch my house/dog when I'm not here? Wow that's so crazy you cheated in SC1 when you were 13, six/seven years ago. I guess you're a bad person for that, cause everyone knew what they were doing at that age." - Artosis during one of his streams with me coaching him.


EDIT - In lieu of all of this stuff (originally didn't even want to post) will be taking a recommendation that numerous friends had stated in which I will have to set guidelines on coaching being completed within 2-3 months from purchase, but the "sessions" will hold true to their hours even if prices change/fluctuate. Will also have to start issuing policies on reschedules (for both parties, including refunds if I fail to miss time) where the party will lose the hour if I end up waiting(unless reasonable cause is presented by the other party).
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2013 13:33 GMT
#513
Might I drop in to say behaviour as shown here is not allowed in any other fanclub on TL but this one?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Bakchiadai
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa7 Posts
December 18 2013 13:55 GMT
#514
"Let's leave out all the times you request reschedule and I say no problem with no hassles. Or how I went over time on numerous lessons with you(even once by 30minutes) and told you no-charge (even though you insisted, I insisted back no charge). Let's also leave out how you didn't message me once in the last 70days almost and I was the one making the attempts towards the end because I enjoyed our coaching sessions even if there was some difficulties setting them (SA timezone a bit different compared to some EU and NA timezones)"

Numerous times that I requested reschedule?? IIRC it was only once that I asked for a reschedule (which I included in the spoiler).You went over the time yes, I in turn told you that I would pay the second half of the coaching fee, even though I still had 1h replay review and 1h coaching left of my package. I told you that because you went over we can scratch those hours and start with the second half, therefore covering the time you went over. I then paid the second half of the coaching fee even though my initial package was not completed. Since your requested that I do so, as you wanted to make a PayPal withdrawal during that weekend.

I only received 1h of coaching from the second half of the package, and gave up trying to organise with you.

As to why I didn't challenge you publically if I had a problem? Honestly I just gave up on the matter, but now since I see so many other people with the same complaints I thought it would be worthwhile to also raise my grievances. Yes I enjoyed coaching, would I recommend you to anyone as a coach, hell no. You are disorganised, not punctual, and refuse your students refunds when they have literally been denied service due to problems on your side.

+ Show Spoiler +
hey man
[10/20/2013 2:20:04 PM] Nick: sup
[10/20/2013 2:20:07 PM] Ruaan Nel: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbR0km82ZqiHTUHN8hJn0tQ
[10/20/2013 2:20:19 PM] Ruaan Nel: this si the game i want to review if you have time to check over it
[10/20/2013 2:20:27 PM] Ruaan Nel: im available all day today but ofc
[10/20/2013 2:20:30 PM] Ruaan Nel: understand if your busy
[10/20/2013 2:20:37 PM] Ruaan Nel: sorry i was actually quite drunk last nite
[10/20/2013 2:20:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: thought it would be a waste
[10/20/2013 2:20:44 PM | Ruaan Nel: to do coaching
[10/20/2013 2:24:40 PM] Ruaan Nel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6scoiOLlA0
[10/20/2013 2:24:46 PM] Ruaan Nel: sorry i gave you the channel link
[10/22/2013 8:16:49 AM] Ruaan Nel: hey man please shout whenever your available for coaching
[10/22/2013 8:16:55 AM] Ruaan Nel: like 3-4hours in advance
[10/22/2013 8:16:59 AM] Ruaan Nel: and we an organise
[10/22/2013 8:17:04 AM] Ruaan Nel: im quite free this week
[10/23/2013 11:51:52 AM] Ruaan Nel: When are you available?
[10/23/2013 12:12:46 PM] Nick: yo
[10/23/2013 12:12:54 PM] Nick: unsure until weekend
[10/23/2013 12:13:00 PM] Nick: im in seoul to help artosis prepare for blizz
[10/23/2013 12:13:04 PM] Nick: but i jut got bad news at doctor
[10/23/2013 12:13:12 PM] Nick: im going to make a youtube video soon
[10/23/2013 12:13:25 PM] Nick: i have to go meet a friend in about 15mins whose coming to see me from incheon
[10/23/2013 12:13:37 PM] Nick: to talk about what was just found out
[10/23/2013 2:18:39 PM] Ruaan Nel: Ok
[10/23/2013 2:48:13 PM] Ruaan Nel: we can chat on friday then perhaps
[10/26/2013 2:35:27 PM] Nick: hiyo
[10/26/2013 2:35:38 PM] Nick: ill be free tuesday ;o


PS this is what Last Shadow calls trying to organise with me. Look at the timestamps and dates of his replies ( often 1-2days lead time before you can get a reply). Saying things like, yeah ill be available sometime Friday. then on Saturday replying is not trying to organise. In the spoiler you will find the last 3 times I tried to organise with him. Once I had to cancel (which I also included ), but I notified him before our session started, a courtesy that was often not extended to myself or GzStrom.
6 pool on 8
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
December 18 2013 14:02 GMT
#515
You realize the entire chat-log is posted and I bold out most of what I'm talking about? Why would you re-post the same chat log and then cut it out at the very end mid-discussion to better favor for you?

Anyway I'm done posting in here, chat-logs speak for themselves. I put everything in bold/italics that needed to be pointed out.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Racoonboy
Profile Joined May 2011
South Africa7 Posts
December 18 2013 14:47 GMT
#516
This whole thing is frustrating to read. As a person coaching you should realize you are delivering a service and thus when the service has not been delivered then compensation is in order, through refunds or discounts. Why not just refund the part, not coached as it is clearly evident that there is a breakdown in this contract and there is no way to complete the sessions... Why not just clear your bad name (and clearly there is a plenty of bad) and just refund a person without fighting it. He paid for a service, the service was not delivered. All this could have been avoided by a common courtesy. People are not only flaming you about when you were 13 but also the way you are conducting yourself now. On one hand you are giving away beta keys and on the other you playing tight ass with clients, it does not make sense.
dreadlordx
Profile Joined January 2012
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 15:41:42
December 18 2013 15:26 GMT
#517
I love how he acts like people are out to get him and act like it has to do with his past. I got coaching inspite of his past. I paid in April 2012, and over the course of 5 months tried to get lessons and he simply wouldn't respond or wouldn't show up. We had our public argument in late Aug/Sept 2012 where he says lets do it after hots comes out. So that means he is making me wait an entire YEAR almost to get the lessons i paid for....... And then i message him now and he simply refuses to do them and says i waited to long to ask for them, lol. And i messaged his manager like i was told back in Oct, but apparently he wasn't his manager anymore, guess i need to be psychic to know there was a time limit and new manager. So he makes me wait a year, then after that year i waited 6-7 months and now they are no longer available. Yep this has nothing to do with your past, buit it does show you haven't changed at all. And clearly i am not the only one, this is obviously an issue on your end. And when you fail to give the lessons people pay for, and they simply want their money back, you then get even worse towards them.

I would never in a million years reccomend his coaching, unless you pay him only after he did a lesson (his lessons are decent). And thats the sad part, doesn't matter how good or bad the lessons are if you never get them and get refused refunds on top of that. I have had 4 coaches for either equal or less price, lessons were as good, except 1 not quite as good, but the difference is, they were very responsive and very punctual and professional. I never had to ask for a refund nor did i have a problem scheduling. So people can get lessons that are as good and none of this hassle. Because if you pay in advance with LS you will lose your money.
Play on Playa!!!!
dreadlordx
Profile Joined January 2012
United States80 Posts
December 18 2013 15:30 GMT
#518
On December 18 2013 21:40 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 18:29 ratty wrote:
come here looking to see who would actually still be having a convo on a fan club like this one and have walked in to a shit storm. this is just awful, even if he is not trying to rip people off ( looks like he is to me) he is a being a dick, i have actually never really heard good things about LS. when every he is mentioned it kinda in a cloud of o that guy who got in to this tournament or something threw other methods then his playing ability.



To quote something: "Aren't you guy that cheated against me numerous times and now you're sleeping on my couch and you watch my house/dog when I'm not here? Wow that's so crazy you cheated in SC1 when you were 13, six/seven years ago. I guess you're a bad person for that, cause everyone knew what they were doing at that age." - Artosis during one of his streams with me coaching him.



Now tell artosis that he paid for coaching but you don't time to do it, and if he wants his money back you start calling him names and refusing. Then see if his quote changes.
Play on Playa!!!!
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
December 18 2013 15:34 GMT
#519
are you not aware the +EV move here LS would be to refund? Why are you dragging this out, you're losing potential clients out of this shitstorm and your ego or w/e the fuck is preventing you from making the proper decision
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
December 18 2013 19:33 GMT
#520
On December 19 2013 00:34 ROOTFayth wrote:
are you not aware the +EV move here LS would be to refund? Why are you dragging this out, you're losing potential clients out of this shitstorm and your ego or w/e the fuck is preventing you from making the proper decision


Just want to say, yeah, this

Also, this is a public forum... and it seems like he is bringing it up in a public forum to discuss it with you.

To be honest, I understand that people can be busy, and that people need to reschedule, but this is the internet. for every one person that posts something negative there is probably 3/4 more who can't be bothered. On the other hand, there is one person, who created an account to post, saying you are a coaching god (which tbh, no one has denied)

The problem is that you arent delivering a service. If you cannot deliver the service, sure you don't HAVE to give a refund, but its not cool business behaviour. Even if its part of the whole, for time spent researching etc, a refund or escape clause should be included. In this case, since its gone so far, prob best to just refund them both for whats owed, and move on, smarter and wiser. From what it seems like, since you're so busy, it doesnt even look like you've done the prep until the actual day of the lesson (installing HOTS? wtf? be prepared. Flashdrive ftw, no matter the reason. You don't rick up to DJ and say, soz man, I know the slot was 8, but let me set up until 9)

On a more personal note, dam man, this is pretty messed up. How can you in good conscience conduct yourself this way? Its not even like anything you've posted has denied what these guys are claiming... you're just not caring
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