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Taesica
United States173 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:09 firehand101 wrote: Holy crap there is a lot of hate for the new SNSD song...it's not nearly as bad as you all make it... no its really bad | ||
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bLecK
Australia625 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WaKwg.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/af2u9.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dj9ne.jpg) | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
You probably think these are shit as well + Show Spoiler + Japan has a much different taste in regards to pop than both Korea and the West. I think the producers and marketing team have done an amazing job. Great contrasting colors, crazy chorus...perfect for where they are promoting. I think SM know how to get things done... | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:32 DystopiaX wrote: Whether Japan likes something or not has no bearing on whether individual users like things. oRly? Some of these comments are the harshest I've read for a while. All I'm saying is they are promoting in Japan, and marketing Japanese-influenced songs. So when people are calling it the worst song ever and complete trash, at least keep that in perspective... | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
also it is complete trash | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
It's certainly not one of the better SNSD songs. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On November 01 2012 13:44 nalho wrote: IU finally confirms dating. No real details but more info to come on "GoShow" on november 2nd. source: im korean Alright so either you're the only vagabond on the entire fucking web that knows of this, or you're trolling hard. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to verify your claims, the only post that is even close to recent is this + Show Spoiler +. Now I can see that the evidence presented here is absolutely staggering, I mean they practically already have kids. So its cool for Idol dating rumors are all started over matching clothes right? Truth is then only reason I don't want Eunhyun to be dating IU is because he's actually homosexual. That’s right, he is in a relationship with Donghae, as I can demonstrate beyond a doubt with this evidence. Spoilered since it's very comprehensive I first got suspicious when they started wearing the same shirt. But I couldn't verify because it was only one instance. I mean why would you do that unless you wanted to get hot and heavy with that person in bed. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ap3Ml.jpg) Then it mysteriously continued, their bromance became more evident and they were seen frequently wearing the same clothes. We all know gay guys love the same outfits and go shopping together so this only makes sense. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wl1Oo.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fLk0K.png) But wait whats this? THEY WEAR THE SAME SHOES? THEY MUST HAVE ALREADY HAD ANAL. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TSaxO.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1xJoU.jpg) As if he wasn't a confirmed sodomizer already, look how he grabs his heart and looks with soulful eyes at his mate when they talk in public. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/B1f70.gif) Seriously this shit is really annoying and happens all the time. We've managed for the most part to keep these shitty, weakly supported dating rumors out of the KMD but you insist on not only bringing them here but also making it on one of the purest figures in all of Kpop. You better be right about this or it's game over man. I almost went into cardiac arrest when this happened and don't appreciate remembering that darkest of days. From the most concerned of IU fans, -Kuja Also, On November 01 2012 13:46 seRapH wrote: Bet its not Kuja I hate you, too. While I'm at it, hop of the SNSD hate train already. It's old and way to many people saying the same stupid things. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:39 DystopiaX wrote: You're missing the point. Anyone listening to a song isn't thinking about the circumstances in which they're made to determine its quality. if it sounds good to Japanese people, fine. But thinking that it's made for Japanese people doesn't suddenly make me like it anymore than I do. also it is complete trash I think he's referring to the bolded part, I see this generalizing statement alot and it's unfair. While most of us in the west won't like the song, it doesn't mean it's trash. It's made for the Japanese market, and it works there. We can therefore conclude it's not trash, just that we do not like it and it's trash for us. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:39 DystopiaX wrote: You're missing the point. Anyone listening to a song isn't thinking about the circumstances in which they're made to determine its quality. if it sounds good to Japanese people, fine. But thinking that it's made for Japanese people doesn't suddenly make me like it anymore than I do. also it is complete trash If you want to view Kpop songs on their musical merit alone, without appreciating the circumstances they're made in or understanding their desired audience, I think you're missing out on a big part of it. As I've said before, music alone is not a top priority in the Music Industry of Korea. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 17:41 Kuja wrote: Alright so either you're the only vagabond on the entire fucking web that knows of this, or you're trolling hard. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to verify your claims, the only post that is even close to recent is this + Show Spoiler +. Now I can see that the evidence presented here is absolutely staggering, I mean they practically already have kids. So its cool for Idol dating rumors are all started over matching clothes right? Truth is then only reason I don't want Eunhyun to be dating IU is because he's actually homosexual. That’s right, he is in a relationship with Donghae, as I can demonstrate beyond a doubt with this evidence. Spoilered since it's very comprehensive I first got suspicious when they started wearing the same shirt. But I couldn't verify because it was only one instance. I mean why would you do that unless you wanted to get hot and heavy with that person in bed. Then it mysteriously continued, their bromance became more evident and they were seen frequently wearing the same clothes. We all know gay guys love the same outfits and go shopping together so this only makes sense. But wait whats this? THEY WEAR THE SAME SHOES? THEY MUST HAVE ALREADY HAD ANAL. As if he wasn't a confirmed sodomizer already, look how he grabs his heart and looks with soulful eyes at his mate when they talk in public. Seriously this shit is really annoying and happens all the time. We've managed for the most part to keep these shitty, weakly supported dating rumors out of the KMD but you insist on not only bringing them here but also making it on one of the purest figures in all of Kpop. You better be right about this or it's game over man. I almost went into cardiac arrest when this happened and don't appreciate remembering that darkest of days. From the most concerned of IU fans, -Kuja Also, I hate you, too. While I'm at it, hop of the SNSD hate train already. It's old and way to many people saying the same stupid things. dude spoilers? @ Shival ........yes  | ||
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aloT
England1042 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:45 Shival wrote: I think he's referring to the bolded part, I see this generalizing statement alot and it's unfair. While most of us in the west won't like the song, it doesn't mean it's trash. It's made for the Japanese market, and it works there. We can therefore conclude it's not trash, just that we do not like it and it's trash for us. I think Dyst is saying that it's complete trash from his point of view. Which, in terms of music, is really all that matters right? If the person listening thinks it's trash, then to them it's trash and they stop listening. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:46 firehand101 wrote: If you want to view Kpop songs on their musical merit alone, without appreciating the circumstances they're made in or understanding their desired audience, I think you're missing out on a big part of it. As I've said before, music alone is not a top priority in the Music Industry of Korea. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 17:41 Kuja wrote: Alright so either you're the only vagabond on the entire fucking web that knows of this, or you're trolling hard. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to verify your claims, the only post that is even close to recent is this + Show Spoiler +. Now I can see that the evidence presented here is absolutely staggering, I mean they practically already have kids. So its cool for Idol dating rumors are all started over matching clothes right? Truth is then only reason I don't want Eunhyun to be dating IU is because he's actually homosexual. That’s right, he is in a relationship with Donghae, as I can demonstrate beyond a doubt with this evidence. Spoilered since it's very comprehensive I first got suspicious when they started wearing the same shirt. But I couldn't verify because it was only one instance. I mean why would you do that unless you wanted to get hot and heavy with that person in bed. Then it mysteriously continued, their bromance became more evident and they were seen frequently wearing the same clothes. We all know gay guys love the same outfits and go shopping together so this only makes sense. But wait whats this? THEY WEAR THE SAME SHOES? THEY MUST HAVE ALREADY HAD ANAL. As if he wasn't a confirmed sodomizer already, look how he grabs his heart and looks with soulful eyes at his mate when they talk in public. Seriously this shit is really annoying and happens all the time. We've managed for the most part to keep these shitty, weakly supported dating rumors out of the KMD but you insist on not only bringing them here but also making it on one of the purest figures in all of Kpop. You better be right about this or it's game over man. I almost went into cardiac arrest when this happened and don't appreciate remembering that darkest of days. From the most concerned of IU fans, -Kuja Also, I hate you, too. While I'm at it, hop of the SNSD hate train already. It's old and way to many people saying the same stupid things. dude spoilers? @ Shival ........yes TIL 5 pictures and 1 GIF is a large amount of media. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:45 Shival wrote: I think he's referring to the bolded part, I see this generalizing statement alot and it's unfair. While most of us in the west won't like the song, it doesn't mean it's trash. It's made for the Japanese market, and it works there. We can therefore conclude it's not trash, just that we do not like it and it's trash for us. Only when people are saying "it is complete trash" they're saying "I think it's complete trash". Saying it's trash isn't really different from saying "this song is bad", only that the first statement is stronger. edit- Xenocide sniped what I was gonna say lol On November 01 2012 17:46 firehand101 wrote: If you want to view Kpop songs on their musical merit alone, without appreciating the circumstances they're made in or understanding their desired audience, I think you're missing out on a big part of it. As I've said before, music alone is not a top priority in the Music Industry of Korea. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 17:41 Kuja wrote: Alright so either you're the only vagabond on the entire fucking web that knows of this, or you're trolling hard. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to verify your claims, the only post that is even close to recent is this + Show Spoiler +. Now I can see that the evidence presented here is absolutely staggering, I mean they practically already have kids. So its cool for Idol dating rumors are all started over matching clothes right? Truth is then only reason I don't want Eunhyun to be dating IU is because he's actually homosexual. That’s right, he is in a relationship with Donghae, as I can demonstrate beyond a doubt with this evidence. Spoilered since it's very comprehensive I first got suspicious when they started wearing the same shirt. But I couldn't verify because it was only one instance. I mean why would you do that unless you wanted to get hot and heavy with that person in bed. Then it mysteriously continued, their bromance became more evident and they were seen frequently wearing the same clothes. We all know gay guys love the same outfits and go shopping together so this only makes sense. But wait whats this? THEY WEAR THE SAME SHOES? THEY MUST HAVE ALREADY HAD ANAL. As if he wasn't a confirmed sodomizer already, look how he grabs his heart and looks with soulful eyes at his mate when they talk in public. Seriously this shit is really annoying and happens all the time. We've managed for the most part to keep these shitty, weakly supported dating rumors out of the KMD but you insist on not only bringing them here but also making it on one of the purest figures in all of Kpop. You better be right about this or it's game over man. I almost went into cardiac arrest when this happened and don't appreciate remembering that darkest of days. From the most concerned of IU fans, -Kuja Also, I hate you, too. While I'm at it, hop of the SNSD hate train already. It's old and way to many people saying the same stupid things. dude spoilers? @ Shival ........yes I agree with you, shit other than the music is important. However when you're talking about how a song sounds their concept doesn't really apply, etc. You're just talking about how the song sounds. So when I'm walking down the street listening to "I don't know", for example, the fact that it's their debut and they wore pink flowery dresses has no bearing on how it sounds. It's why I wouldn't play Bubble Pop when walking down the street, because I like BP because Hyuna pops her ass and not because it's a good song. That's why, while "flower power" may be a good move to promote in Japan, I won't be paying any more attention to the song. So yes, if I was making the statement "Flower Power is trash" in a discussion about whether "Flower Power" is a good popularity move for SNSD, I might be being narrow-minded. But in a discussion about whether I like the song or not, that shit doesn't really matter. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:49 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I think Dyst is saying that it's complete trash from his point of view. Which, in terms of music, is really all that matters right? If the person listening thinks it's trash, then to them it's trash and they stop listening. You are absolutely correct, and he is absolutely entitled to his opinion. Nothing can change someones opinion on whether they think a song is bad or not. I'm just trying to explain the circumstances in which it was made and it's intended purpose. It's clear they are trying to approach the Japanese market in their own unique way influenced by Japanese culture. The bigger picture plays a crucial role in the MV and song, so just keep that in mind.... Having said that, ofc you can say the song is shit. If you do not like the music then it's fine. Just look at the big picture is what I'm saying... EDIT: @ DystopiaX^^ exactly | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Also the rest of The Boys album was good imo. People talk about the last Korean stuff being bad because they think of the one song that was promoted but it had songs like Oscar, Trick, Sunflower and How Great is your Love which I thought were great. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
I've seen comments saying SNSD is going downhill and then quoting a few of their recents songs while never putting into context the region the song is meant for. I think that's what firehand and I are trying to convey. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:54 firehand101 wrote: You are absolutely correct, and he is absolutely entitled to his opinion. Nothing can change someones opinion on whether they think a song is bad or not. I'm just trying to explain the circumstances in which it was made and it's intended purpose. It's clear they are trying to approach the Japanese market in their own unique way influenced by Japanese culture. The bigger picture plays a crucial role in the MV and song, so just keep that in mind.... Having said that, ofc you can say the song is shit. If you do not like the music then it's fine. Just look at the big picture is what I'm saying... EDIT: @ DystopiaX^^ exactly Just wondering are you the same firehand from a while ago? | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On November 01 2012 17:55 Shival wrote: Well, I guess we're talking semantics here then. I take a last comment of "also it's complete trash" as very generalizing, while one could simply write "I think it's complete trash". I've seen comments saying SNSD is going downhill and then quoting a few of their recents songs while never putting into context the region the song is meant for. I think that's what firebolt and I are trying to convey. Good ol firebolt On November 01 2012 17:49 Kuja wrote: TIL 5 pictures and 1 GIF is a large amount of media. and yes it is  EDIT: @Kuja, no....you must be mistaken...I am firebolt | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
And for the record--I, too, find it a rather bad song. Learn to read between the lines (though this is no great subtlety) when people say that a song is bad, and assume that it means "I think it's bad", not "this song is absolutely bad by any measure, and anybody who thinks otherwise is not right in the head". I suppose you could extend the latter statement to qualify that it's your opinion that it's true, but whatever, you get what I mean. Usually I'll say "I think" etc anyway though lol. | ||
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