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On November 04 2012 00:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 14:29 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 13:59 imBLIND wrote:On November 03 2012 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 09:58 Ballistixz wrote:On November 02 2012 14:36 Forikorder wrote:On November 02 2012 14:32 Ballistixz wrote:On October 26 2012 19:24 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:I was right: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TSbIE.jpg) Until someone provides me with the page in the databook that says they're different I'm going to assume that it's been made up and kept in circulation as an unconfirmed statement that just sounded cool so it kept going. I could be wrong, though. I haven't read the databook. ya there the same technique. the only difference is that kakashis is obviously stronger and more refined on top of the sound. its like saying rasengan and odama rasengan are 2 different techniques. there the same, just different in power and name. Odama Rasengan is a Rasengan made with Sage Chakra making it completely different it would be like calling the Amaterasu a fireball or the Tsukyomi a genjutsu Chidori and Raikiri are literally in every way the exact same theres nothing at all to diferentiate between them the only way to tell 2 Chidoris apart is look at whos using the technique if Sasuke did something different to his Chidori then there would be an argument but he doesnt its in every way the same as Kakshis except maybe stronger since Sasuke is stronger its like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan (not Jiraiyas odama rasengan the normal rasengan he showed NAruto) is different from the 4th rasengan and deserves a new name BTW can anyone else see Gonzo in taht Dragon? what are you talking about? odama rasenga is not made with sage chakra... its made with even larger ammounts of chakra because of his 9tail power. the only difference between the 2 is size and power. he puts more chakra into rasengan to make it bigger....... it is quite litterally the exact same technique but bigger size and a different name. in sage mode he uses double odama rasengan. which again is the EXACT SAME THING EXCEPT THERE ARE 2 BIG BALLS NOW INSTEAD OF 1. i dont see how ppl can say its different. there is quite litterally no difference except for how much chakra he puts into it the thing. and no the comparison of amaterasu and tsukyomi is not at all like comparing odama with normal rasengan. ameratsu is physical and tsuyomi is a genjusu. odama rasengan and normal rasengan are both physical techniques. chidori and raikiri are the same but the difference is in power. kakashis raikiri is obviously more powerful than sauskes chidori, especially since he was still a genin at the time he made it. show me a single time.... EVER that he uses a giant Rasengan outside sage mode im pretty sure your trolling, im saying the Odama Rasengan is to normal rasengan as a normal fireball jtusu is to Amaterasu saying the Raikiri is different from Chidori is like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan is different from Minatos Rasengan It was created when JIraya was still alive. He was the one that gave naruto the idea to create his own jutsu, the odama rasengan. I don't know exactly what chapter it was, but naruto only got sage mode after jiraya was dead http://www.mangareader.net/93-382-13/naruto/chapter-377.htmlJiraiya was the first one to use the Odama Rasengan and died shortly after, then Naruto learns sage mode and starts using the Odama rasengan as well since the Odama Rasengan has only ever been used by anyone while in sage mode its safe to assume sage chakra is needed to stabilize the Rasengan at such a size further evidence is found in the RasenShuriken, when he first used it it was unstable and he couldnt throw it and it often failed but when he added Sage chakra it became completely stable and even stable enough to actually throw it Naruto first used it when he was caught under a genjutsu by Itachi and that was before he even learned to use sage mode. http://www.mangareader.net/93-263-6/naruto/chapter-258.htmlif your reffering to this it was a normal raengan not an odama rasengan if you look at his hand you can see the actual rasengan the big spiral is jsut for show like when he hit Kabuto If you learn a bit about Japanese you'll see that "oodama" and "chou oodama" mean "big ball" and "hella big ball" respectively So there's no difference except size due to amount of chakra put into it. Also Naruto performs it outside of sage mode here: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-265-11/naruto/chapter-260.html
thank you for posting what was already posted half a page ago
youll notice that that "odama rasengan" is at least 1/3rd the size of the chou odama rasengan used in Sage mode and in sage mode he not only made one 3 times the size but only needed one clone to hold it an attack with it while he needed another clone to help babysit it
so not only is the sage mode chou odama rasengan 3 times stronger its twice as easy to pull off
and yes i know Chou Odama Rasengan means super big ball, it was explained on the page the chou odama rasengan was used
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Anyone else find it annoying and kind of pathetic he hasn't learned to do it without a clone yet?
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On November 04 2012 00:18 Cirn9 wrote:
Anyone else find it annoying and kind of pathetic he hasn't learned to do it without a clone yet?
he has hes been using the Kyuubis chakra to make extra arms to make Rasengans all war
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On November 04 2012 00:13 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 00:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 03 2012 14:29 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 13:59 imBLIND wrote:On November 03 2012 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 09:58 Ballistixz wrote:On November 02 2012 14:36 Forikorder wrote:On November 02 2012 14:32 Ballistixz wrote:On October 26 2012 19:24 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:I was right: Until someone provides me with the page in the databook that says they're different I'm going to assume that it's been made up and kept in circulation as an unconfirmed statement that just sounded cool so it kept going. I could be wrong, though. I haven't read the databook. ya there the same technique. the only difference is that kakashis is obviously stronger and more refined on top of the sound. its like saying rasengan and odama rasengan are 2 different techniques. there the same, just different in power and name. Odama Rasengan is a Rasengan made with Sage Chakra making it completely different it would be like calling the Amaterasu a fireball or the Tsukyomi a genjutsu Chidori and Raikiri are literally in every way the exact same theres nothing at all to diferentiate between them the only way to tell 2 Chidoris apart is look at whos using the technique if Sasuke did something different to his Chidori then there would be an argument but he doesnt its in every way the same as Kakshis except maybe stronger since Sasuke is stronger its like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan (not Jiraiyas odama rasengan the normal rasengan he showed NAruto) is different from the 4th rasengan and deserves a new name BTW can anyone else see Gonzo in taht Dragon? what are you talking about? odama rasenga is not made with sage chakra... its made with even larger ammounts of chakra because of his 9tail power. the only difference between the 2 is size and power. he puts more chakra into rasengan to make it bigger....... it is quite litterally the exact same technique but bigger size and a different name. in sage mode he uses double odama rasengan. which again is the EXACT SAME THING EXCEPT THERE ARE 2 BIG BALLS NOW INSTEAD OF 1. i dont see how ppl can say its different. there is quite litterally no difference except for how much chakra he puts into it the thing. and no the comparison of amaterasu and tsukyomi is not at all like comparing odama with normal rasengan. ameratsu is physical and tsuyomi is a genjusu. odama rasengan and normal rasengan are both physical techniques. chidori and raikiri are the same but the difference is in power. kakashis raikiri is obviously more powerful than sauskes chidori, especially since he was still a genin at the time he made it. show me a single time.... EVER that he uses a giant Rasengan outside sage mode im pretty sure your trolling, im saying the Odama Rasengan is to normal rasengan as a normal fireball jtusu is to Amaterasu saying the Raikiri is different from Chidori is like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan is different from Minatos Rasengan It was created when JIraya was still alive. He was the one that gave naruto the idea to create his own jutsu, the odama rasengan. I don't know exactly what chapter it was, but naruto only got sage mode after jiraya was dead http://www.mangareader.net/93-382-13/naruto/chapter-377.htmlJiraiya was the first one to use the Odama Rasengan and died shortly after, then Naruto learns sage mode and starts using the Odama rasengan as well since the Odama Rasengan has only ever been used by anyone while in sage mode its safe to assume sage chakra is needed to stabilize the Rasengan at such a size further evidence is found in the RasenShuriken, when he first used it it was unstable and he couldnt throw it and it often failed but when he added Sage chakra it became completely stable and even stable enough to actually throw it Naruto first used it when he was caught under a genjutsu by Itachi and that was before he even learned to use sage mode. http://www.mangareader.net/93-263-6/naruto/chapter-258.htmlif your reffering to this it was a normal raengan not an odama rasengan if you look at his hand you can see the actual rasengan the big spiral is jsut for show like when he hit Kabuto If you learn a bit about Japanese you'll see that "oodama" and "chou oodama" mean "big ball" and "hella big ball" respectively So there's no difference except size due to amount of chakra put into it. Also Naruto performs it outside of sage mode here: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-265-11/naruto/chapter-260.html thank you for posting what was already posted half a page ago youll notice that that "odama rasengan" is at least 1/3rd the size of the chou odama rasengan used in Sage mode and in sage mode he not only made one 3 times the size but only needed one clone to hold it an attack with it while he needed another clone to help babysit it so not only is the sage mode chou odama rasengan 3 times stronger its twice as easy to pull off and yes i know Chou Odama Rasengan means super big ball, it was explained on the page the chou odama rasengan was used
So why do you keep telling us all this stuff you completely made up about it?
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Just realized I started a mini-discussion LOL.
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I'm just saying, I've been right on every count (Chidori = Raikiri, oodama rasengan not sage tech) and it's because I'm Japanese and I speak Japanese. I'm not sure if you do or not, and I'm not going to assume you don't, but if you don't, I'm going to straight-up tell you that you're probably not going to be able to assume things about jutsu names and be right about them.
(@fork)
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On November 04 2012 00:13 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 00:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 03 2012 14:29 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 13:59 imBLIND wrote:On November 03 2012 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 09:58 Ballistixz wrote:On November 02 2012 14:36 Forikorder wrote:On November 02 2012 14:32 Ballistixz wrote:On October 26 2012 19:24 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:I was right: Until someone provides me with the page in the databook that says they're different I'm going to assume that it's been made up and kept in circulation as an unconfirmed statement that just sounded cool so it kept going. I could be wrong, though. I haven't read the databook. ya there the same technique. the only difference is that kakashis is obviously stronger and more refined on top of the sound. its like saying rasengan and odama rasengan are 2 different techniques. there the same, just different in power and name. Odama Rasengan is a Rasengan made with Sage Chakra making it completely different it would be like calling the Amaterasu a fireball or the Tsukyomi a genjutsu Chidori and Raikiri are literally in every way the exact same theres nothing at all to diferentiate between them the only way to tell 2 Chidoris apart is look at whos using the technique if Sasuke did something different to his Chidori then there would be an argument but he doesnt its in every way the same as Kakshis except maybe stronger since Sasuke is stronger its like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan (not Jiraiyas odama rasengan the normal rasengan he showed NAruto) is different from the 4th rasengan and deserves a new name BTW can anyone else see Gonzo in taht Dragon? what are you talking about? odama rasenga is not made with sage chakra... its made with even larger ammounts of chakra because of his 9tail power. the only difference between the 2 is size and power. he puts more chakra into rasengan to make it bigger....... it is quite litterally the exact same technique but bigger size and a different name. in sage mode he uses double odama rasengan. which again is the EXACT SAME THING EXCEPT THERE ARE 2 BIG BALLS NOW INSTEAD OF 1. i dont see how ppl can say its different. there is quite litterally no difference except for how much chakra he puts into it the thing. and no the comparison of amaterasu and tsukyomi is not at all like comparing odama with normal rasengan. ameratsu is physical and tsuyomi is a genjusu. odama rasengan and normal rasengan are both physical techniques. chidori and raikiri are the same but the difference is in power. kakashis raikiri is obviously more powerful than sauskes chidori, especially since he was still a genin at the time he made it. show me a single time.... EVER that he uses a giant Rasengan outside sage mode im pretty sure your trolling, im saying the Odama Rasengan is to normal rasengan as a normal fireball jtusu is to Amaterasu saying the Raikiri is different from Chidori is like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan is different from Minatos Rasengan It was created when JIraya was still alive. He was the one that gave naruto the idea to create his own jutsu, the odama rasengan. I don't know exactly what chapter it was, but naruto only got sage mode after jiraya was dead http://www.mangareader.net/93-382-13/naruto/chapter-377.htmlJiraiya was the first one to use the Odama Rasengan and died shortly after, then Naruto learns sage mode and starts using the Odama rasengan as well since the Odama Rasengan has only ever been used by anyone while in sage mode its safe to assume sage chakra is needed to stabilize the Rasengan at such a size further evidence is found in the RasenShuriken, when he first used it it was unstable and he couldnt throw it and it often failed but when he added Sage chakra it became completely stable and even stable enough to actually throw it Naruto first used it when he was caught under a genjutsu by Itachi and that was before he even learned to use sage mode. http://www.mangareader.net/93-263-6/naruto/chapter-258.htmlif your reffering to this it was a normal raengan not an odama rasengan if you look at his hand you can see the actual rasengan the big spiral is jsut for show like when he hit Kabuto If you learn a bit about Japanese you'll see that "oodama" and "chou oodama" mean "big ball" and "hella big ball" respectively So there's no difference except size due to amount of chakra put into it. Also Naruto performs it outside of sage mode here: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-265-11/naruto/chapter-260.html thank you for posting what was already posted half a page ago youll notice that that "odama rasengan" is at least 1/3rd the size of the chou odama rasengan used in Sage mode and in sage mode he not only made one 3 times the size but only needed one clone to hold it an attack with it while he needed another clone to help babysit it so not only is the sage mode chou odama rasengan 3 times stronger its twice as easy to pull off and yes i know Chou Odama Rasengan means super big ball, it was explained on the page the chou odama rasengan was used
You wrote originally that Odama Rasengan requires sage chakra. Followed by saying sage chakra is just superpowered chakra. So if Naruto has enough chakra, or gets all the 9tails chakra, he could make the odama rasengan. Whether or not sage chakra makes it easier doesn't change the fact that it doesn't require sage chakra.
It'd be prudent to just admit your original statement wasn't accurate than to try to argue against your own words.
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I think every single post I've read by him for the past 2 pages has been completely incorrect
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On November 04 2012 00:24 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 00:13 Forikorder wrote:On November 04 2012 00:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 03 2012 14:29 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 13:59 imBLIND wrote:On November 03 2012 13:39 Forikorder wrote:On November 03 2012 09:58 Ballistixz wrote:On November 02 2012 14:36 Forikorder wrote:On November 02 2012 14:32 Ballistixz wrote:On October 26 2012 19:24 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:I was right: Until someone provides me with the page in the databook that says they're different I'm going to assume that it's been made up and kept in circulation as an unconfirmed statement that just sounded cool so it kept going. I could be wrong, though. I haven't read the databook. ya there the same technique. the only difference is that kakashis is obviously stronger and more refined on top of the sound. its like saying rasengan and odama rasengan are 2 different techniques. there the same, just different in power and name. Odama Rasengan is a Rasengan made with Sage Chakra making it completely different it would be like calling the Amaterasu a fireball or the Tsukyomi a genjutsu Chidori and Raikiri are literally in every way the exact same theres nothing at all to diferentiate between them the only way to tell 2 Chidoris apart is look at whos using the technique if Sasuke did something different to his Chidori then there would be an argument but he doesnt its in every way the same as Kakshis except maybe stronger since Sasuke is stronger its like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan (not Jiraiyas odama rasengan the normal rasengan he showed NAruto) is different from the 4th rasengan and deserves a new name BTW can anyone else see Gonzo in taht Dragon? what are you talking about? odama rasenga is not made with sage chakra... its made with even larger ammounts of chakra because of his 9tail power. the only difference between the 2 is size and power. he puts more chakra into rasengan to make it bigger....... it is quite litterally the exact same technique but bigger size and a different name. in sage mode he uses double odama rasengan. which again is the EXACT SAME THING EXCEPT THERE ARE 2 BIG BALLS NOW INSTEAD OF 1. i dont see how ppl can say its different. there is quite litterally no difference except for how much chakra he puts into it the thing. and no the comparison of amaterasu and tsukyomi is not at all like comparing odama with normal rasengan. ameratsu is physical and tsuyomi is a genjusu. odama rasengan and normal rasengan are both physical techniques. chidori and raikiri are the same but the difference is in power. kakashis raikiri is obviously more powerful than sauskes chidori, especially since he was still a genin at the time he made it. show me a single time.... EVER that he uses a giant Rasengan outside sage mode im pretty sure your trolling, im saying the Odama Rasengan is to normal rasengan as a normal fireball jtusu is to Amaterasu saying the Raikiri is different from Chidori is like saying Jiraiyas Rasengan is different from Minatos Rasengan It was created when JIraya was still alive. He was the one that gave naruto the idea to create his own jutsu, the odama rasengan. I don't know exactly what chapter it was, but naruto only got sage mode after jiraya was dead http://www.mangareader.net/93-382-13/naruto/chapter-377.htmlJiraiya was the first one to use the Odama Rasengan and died shortly after, then Naruto learns sage mode and starts using the Odama rasengan as well since the Odama Rasengan has only ever been used by anyone while in sage mode its safe to assume sage chakra is needed to stabilize the Rasengan at such a size further evidence is found in the RasenShuriken, when he first used it it was unstable and he couldnt throw it and it often failed but when he added Sage chakra it became completely stable and even stable enough to actually throw it Naruto first used it when he was caught under a genjutsu by Itachi and that was before he even learned to use sage mode. http://www.mangareader.net/93-263-6/naruto/chapter-258.htmlif your reffering to this it was a normal raengan not an odama rasengan if you look at his hand you can see the actual rasengan the big spiral is jsut for show like when he hit Kabuto If you learn a bit about Japanese you'll see that "oodama" and "chou oodama" mean "big ball" and "hella big ball" respectively So there's no difference except size due to amount of chakra put into it. Also Naruto performs it outside of sage mode here: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-265-11/naruto/chapter-260.html thank you for posting what was already posted half a page ago youll notice that that "odama rasengan" is at least 1/3rd the size of the chou odama rasengan used in Sage mode and in sage mode he not only made one 3 times the size but only needed one clone to hold it an attack with it while he needed another clone to help babysit it so not only is the sage mode chou odama rasengan 3 times stronger its twice as easy to pull off and yes i know Chou Odama Rasengan means super big ball, it was explained on the page the chou odama rasengan was used You wrote originally that Odama Rasengan requires sage chakra. Followed by saying sage chakra is just superpowered chakra. So if Naruto has enough chakra, or gets all the 9tails chakra, he could make the odama rasengan. Whether or not sage chakra makes it easier doesn't change the fact that it doesn't require sage chakra. It'd be prudent to just admit your original statement wasn't accurate than to try to argue against your own words.
my only mistake was forgetting the sage giant rasengan was called Chou Odama Rasengan
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That's not a fucking sage rasengan, it's just a "really big rasengan" instead of a "big rasengan"
Stop posting stupid shit you made up to feel correct
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On November 04 2012 00:27 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
That's not a fucking sage rasengan, it's just a "really big rasengan" instead of a "big rasengan"
Stop posting stupid shit you made up to feel correct
how am i making anything up?
the Rasengan used in sage mode is at least 3 times bigger then ANY Rasengan shown
the Rasengan has only ever been used in sage mode by Naruto and Jiraiya
the closest a rasengan has ever come in size to the sage mode rasengan is the one Naruto used against itachi but was much smaller and needed 2 clones while the one used in sage mode needed one
how is any of that false in any way?
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It just differs by the amount of chakra you put into it, it's not like it's a new technique.
It's like if I were to hit someone with a bat and I called it "swinging big bat attack"
But then I decided to hit someone with a bigger bat one day and I called it "swinging really big bat attack"
You don't fucking speak Japanese and I do, and I'm telling you that you're wrong.
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Take it to pm's nobody else cares.
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Like literally the only difference between "oodama rasengan" and "chou oodama rasengan" is
"big ball rasengan" vs "super big ball rasengan"
This is the last I'm posting on it, if you can't get it after three pages of everyone telling you that you're wrong with detailed explanations why then you're too stupid to grasp the point
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On November 04 2012 00:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like literally the only difference between "oodama rasengan" and "chou oodama rasengan" is
"big ball rasengan" vs "super big ball rasengan"
This is the last I'm posting on it, if you can't get it after three pages of everyone telling you that you're wrong with detailed explanations why then you're too stupid to grasp the point
im saying that in order to make a rasengan that big sage mode is a neccesity, Naruto is incapable of making a rasengan that big outside of sage mode and if he tried it would pop before he got it that big no matter how good he is at controlling chakra or how many clones he uses
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On November 04 2012 00:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 00:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like literally the only difference between "oodama rasengan" and "chou oodama rasengan" is
"big ball rasengan" vs "super big ball rasengan"
This is the last I'm posting on it, if you can't get it after three pages of everyone telling you that you're wrong with detailed explanations why then you're too stupid to grasp the point im saying that in order to make a rasengan that big sage mode is a neccesity, Naruto is incapable of making a rasengan that big outside of sage mode and if he tried it would pop before he got it that big no matter how good he is at controlling chakra or how many clones he uses
Source? Can we see some info where it says that making a rasengan that big is impossible without Sage chakra?
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5hit, I think you're stuck in elo hell with this guy, or chakra hell I guess you'd call in in naruto. lol
Yo man, I'm going to throw a 50 lb bag of fertilizer at you and call it big bag attack. Or I can get stronger and throw a 150 lb bag of fertilizer at you and call it really big bag attack. Obviously they're different. The second has a 1 in front of the fifty with the world "really." derp
Lol.....
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On November 04 2012 01:10 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 00:58 Forikorder wrote:On November 04 2012 00:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Like literally the only difference between "oodama rasengan" and "chou oodama rasengan" is
"big ball rasengan" vs "super big ball rasengan"
This is the last I'm posting on it, if you can't get it after three pages of everyone telling you that you're wrong with detailed explanations why then you're too stupid to grasp the point im saying that in order to make a rasengan that big sage mode is a neccesity, Naruto is incapable of making a rasengan that big outside of sage mode and if he tried it would pop before he got it that big no matter how good he is at controlling chakra or how many clones he uses Source? Can we see some info where it says that making a rasengan that big is impossible without Sage chakra?
Heck, I think if he can throw the tailed beast ball, he can make giant rasengan without sage chakra.
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On November 03 2012 23:16 Dosey wrote:
Is there some unwritten rule saying that you can't discuss a manga during weeks that there isn't a new issue?
No it's completely fine so as long as the discussion is somewhat interesting.
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I've got big balls
User was warned for this post
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