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Racket
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On January 31 2015 02:43 Faruko wrote: i didnt said otherwise, but since the wiildcards they have shown a lot more competent games than a long time before, thts considering Day 1 True | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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MyrMindservant
695 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:40 Faruko wrote: 5 years :O long live NaVi Original Na'Vi Counter-Strike squad (the one that founded this whole organization along with ZeroGravity, who was their manager at the beginning) and their 2011-2012 Dota squad. I like this photo. On January 31 2015 04:02 FHDH wrote: Dendi himself has said that they are very morale-dependent. It very much shows in their play. And yeah, I have my doubts the current roster is capable of consistent tier-1 play (if for no other reason than Goblak is not impressive on any hero I've seen) but it's always fun to see them win. As far as I have seen, Goblak is fairly good at defensive/healing supports, e.g. Tree, Abaddon, Chen, but he is mediocre on aggressive/initiator supports. He is at least not any worse than ppd from EG, and EG did quite well in 2014. People bash him a lot lately but most of it is not justified. Yes, he looked bad, but so did the whole team. Dota is a team game and putting blame on separate players without knowing what only team members can know is silly. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On January 31 2015 04:39 MyrMindservant wrote: He is at least not any worse than ppd from EG I know i have an EG flair but I don't see how you can say this with a straight face | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
For the most part it's just confirmation bias too. Once the notion that the player is "bad" becomes a prevailing opinion, everyone's going to notice every mistake and ignore everything great they do in a game. Navi fans should know this best as XBOCT was often the target of similar preconceptions. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On January 31 2015 05:33 Talin wrote: Peter's individual play is massively underrated by the general public. People in general. Once the notion that the player is "bad" becomes a prevailing opinion, everyone's going to notice every mistake and ignore everything great they do in a game. Navi fans should know this best as XBOCT was often the target of similar preconceptions. Um. XBOCT WAS playing bad for a good long time. He showed so little discipline it was questionable if he would ever return to being a good carry. And there are still plenty of hard carry heroes he has not proven he can play in today's meta. I don't know if anyone is calling PPD bad, he was a 5 on a team of all-stars and he did not usually do anything amazing, but he has often been a force in games. Goblak has not shown that latter quality yet. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 31 2015 05:35 FHDH wrote: Um. XBOCT WAS playing bad for a good long time. He showed so little discipline it was questionable if he would ever return to being a good carry. And there are still plenty of hard carry heroes he has not proven he can play in today's meta. I don't know if anyone is calling PPD bad, he was a 5 on a team of all-stars and he did not usually do anything amazing, but he has often been a force in games. Goblak has not shown that latter quality yet. The whole team was playing bad, and motivation and morale issues are a far more likely reason behind xboct's zero fucks given attitude than him being unable to tell what's a good idea and what isn't. But that's besides the point anyway, as plenty of people are calling him bad even when he plays well. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
the problem is the draft, but they seem to have found a couple of stable heroes to work with, which i dont know why people think its super bad... remember that alliance won TI3 and their go-to heroes werent more than 2-3 per player, as long as few of them get their heroes things can go pretty well, as long as you have a plan to work with (which they seem to have lately, even in their loses... even if the plan is CHAOS DOTA) | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On January 31 2015 05:33 Talin wrote: Peter's individual play is massively underrated by the general public. For the most part it's just confirmation bias too. Once the notion that the player is "bad" becomes a prevailing opinion, everyone's going to notice every mistake and ignore everything great they do in a game. Navi fans should know this best as XBOCT was often the target of similar preconceptions. I agree. Still, who cares Peter's individual play (to some extent), when you have one of the best strategical captains in the word. The guy is smart, he have very good global planning of the games, from the draft, to the game development. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
Goblak, while nothing to be amazed with, has been fairly consistent Lately, yes. Early on he had some games in which his play was cringe-worthy. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On January 31 2015 06:43 FHDH wrote: Lately, yes. Early on he had some games in which his play was cringe-worthy. Oh obviously, about a month ago he was... facepalm worthy, but he found his footing (hopefully he doesnt loss it) | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On January 31 2015 03:07 Racket wrote: I couldn't watch last game, did Goblak went again on Warlock or is it Funn1k's? Non-core Warlock has been terrible this tournament. Very happy to see him played as a core. | ||
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roseinkspillred
United States19 Posts
I remember when I first started playing Dota. I thought Na'Vi was absolutely invincible. Now I'm hoping that they don't fail to the point of breaking up. (Things are looking uppish, though) | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On January 31 2015 12:39 roseinkspillred wrote: Sighs deeply. I remember when I first started playing Dota. I thought Na'Vi was absolutely invincible. Now I'm hoping that they don't fail to the point of breaking up. (Things are looking uppish, though) They're on the right track but have a long ways to go. The competition today is harder than yesterday's. If they beat EG even in a BO1, I'll be quite happy. | ||
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goody153
44184 Posts
On January 31 2015 06:39 Belha wrote: I agree. Still, who cares Peter's individual play (to some extent), when you have one of the best strategical captains in the word. The guy is smart, he have very good global planning of the games, from the draft, to the game development. He's like the NA version of xiao8 | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Lol! At TI2, Navi defeated the invictus LGD, with xiao8!! ^^ | ||
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