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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3333 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
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elagrion
Ukraine422 Posts
On January 30 2015 03:40 Velr wrote: The classical "CIS-Team breaks down when it counts" was happening. Except it happened a day late (or the competition was just really, really trash.. one of the two). See Roxkis, Empire and in general just about every CIS team at TI besides Navi under Puppey. People seems to forget that Artstyle was captain of Na'Vi at first International | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
On January 30 2015 08:25 SkelA wrote: And there are always blind fanboys. Have you seen how "good" Dendi has played lately ? Xboct have been the only one that has really improved lately and everyone else just went downhill. Get yourself a room, you need some time alone. To think about what you think and then make up for it. The only thing Xboct did in the last couple of weeks is "not die meaninglessly", in the past, as now, his farm was always right on top of the list but what made him questionable was his lack of composure when he needed it the most. For instance, today he needed only one auto to kill Lycan under T1 bot tower vs EHOME, and this time he decided not to, on the contrary, two months ago he would have died trying. I am really happy about his mind's reconfiguration. Regarding Dendi, we talked a lot about him already, when the team sucks he usually sucks too, when the team shines he is almost always the brightest of all. Last thing, it is really REALLY easy to compare a player's performance in a mediocre team (for example: Dendi in the current NaVi) against another in a top team (for example: s4 in Secret) and say how much he sucks and how tilted he seems to be. I wish people would be smarter and use their sharp minds to make acceptable comparisons, like s4 on Alliance before he left (just using s4 as an example). When a team goes downhill, usually all five go down together, some are ahead and some behind but they all are going down. First it was Xboct, then Dendi, then Xboct, then Funn1k and so on. It surely has to do with mind states, personality and being fed up, etc. Be nice and hope for the best, like me. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13051 Posts
He losses to most mids nowadays and just look at the last game vs Ehome, Dendi sucked but Funnik and Xboct were on their A game and the supports did their job. Goblak didnt even die that game. Dendi cant farm like most mids nowadays and hes not doing big plays like he was in the past. Xboct has been carrying the team as much you can do in the past couple of months. He was bad before doing dumb plays but nowadays hes just a beast. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On January 30 2015 21:40 SkelA wrote: Dendi its not tier 1 mid anymore and thats my opinion, you can disagree with that . I will, because it's wrong. He losses to most mids nowadays Factually incorrect. Just astonishingly wrong. Dendi cant farm like most mids nowadays and hes not doing big plays like he was in the past. Also completely incorrect. Xboct has been carrying the team as much you can do in the past couple of months. He was bad before doing dumb plays but nowadays hes just a beast. As stated above, XBOCT has been doing his job by not acting like a steroid-addled bull in front of a red flag. There are still better carries with a more dangerous hero pool, but he has been doing very well. Everyone on the team is susceptible to tilt, but post-TI4 Dendi has been the team's one rock, even if he himself also sometimes tilts (CDEC today was certainly an example). I don't know if you came here to troll - we get a lot of that around here - or if you are just ignorant. But Dendi has been making godlike plays on a regular basis. He has continued to dominate his lane. And his efficiency for a position 2 has been pretty much all you can ask for. I watch the games. I watch Dendi himself. And what you're saying is indisputably wrong. | ||
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govie
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roseinkspillred
United States19 Posts
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Oliveran
Sweden72 Posts
Today they seemed to come in with a clear goal. Sure, sometimes the enemy team also does really good, but in the end they pulled out. People seem to have forgotten, but Na'Vi was definitely more known for being the strongest comeback- and teamfighting team in the world back in the days during TI2 and TI3. They won games being down 15k gold, and made the sickest of players with good decisionmaking. By being decisive! Dendi's won my respect as the most desicive player in the world. Sometimes he tunnelvisions, but so does everyone, and it really depends on the team (as stated above). But when his team has less problems, he shines more brightly than anyone else. They seem to need not a better drafter, better players or whatever (the quality of their players are definitely of the best), but rather a better mindset when going into their matches! Go Na'Vi <3 | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On January 30 2015 21:40 SkelA wrote: Dendi its not tier 1 mid anymore and thats my opinion, you can disagree with that . The last Navi game Dendi was bad but the rest of the team played perfect. He losses to most mids nowadays and just look at the last game vs Ehome, Dendi sucked but Funnik and Xboct were on their A game and the supports did their job. Goblak didnt even die that game. Dendi cant farm like most mids nowadays and hes not doing big plays like he was in the past. Xboct has been carrying the team as much you can do in the past couple of months. He was bad before doing dumb plays but nowadays hes just a beast. First of all, you are the one stating things here, before you came up there was no discussion about Dendi's performance. And of course I disagree, being a tier 1 player right now, with the current state of the game, is not tied to one player anymore but instead with the performance of the team as a whole and the results they get. If, for example, you say Puppey is a tier 1 support, it is extremely tied to Team Secret's current performance. Not long ago he was sucking bad both at draft and play in this very team. Funn1k was playing so so bad and feeding so much just the past weeks, but now he plays one or two godlike games with Clinkz and he is carrying NaVi again? Xboct's farm was always on top and there is no room for discussion about it, but he is carrying now because he is more composed and the meta favors him, take Troll and Jugg away and 80% of his good performances are gone too. Dendi lost mid just the past two days, I wish to see how YOU perform with the match ups he had (Magnus vs SF, NS vs Drow, ES vs SF). Also don't forget that he is always targeted for ganks, always. I even will go so far as to say that he may be the most ganked player of NaVi in early/mid game. If anyone cares to do the research please let me know the results. Note: You are wrong. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On January 31 2015 00:22 Oliveran wrote: Na'Vi seems to definitely be very dependant on their mindset. Against Secret yesterday, they seemed so flustered and insecure. They didn't make a clear decision, and indesiciveness seemed to kill them a lot. Today they seemed to come in with a clear goal. Sure, sometimes the enemy team also does really good, but in the end they pulled out. People seem to have forgotten, but Na'Vi was definitely more known for being the strongest comeback- and teamfighting team in the world back in the days during TI2 and TI3. They won games being down 15k gold, and made the sickest of players with good decisionmaking. By being decisive! Dendi's won my respect as the most desicive player in the world. Sometimes he tunnelvisions, but so does everyone, and it really depends on the team (as stated above). But when his team has less problems, he shines more brightly than anyone else. They seem to need not a better drafter, better players or whatever (the quality of their players are definitely of the best), but rather a better mindset when going into their matches! Go Na'Vi <3  The only thing I feel I need to say is: I feel so bad, I think Ppy and Kky know NaVi's cores so clearly that winning against them is nearly impossible. They played for so long, and as their supports they learned so well how they think and play and make decisions that getting over it, and outplay them is far beyond reach. I hope I am wrong and they take in the near future some games off TS. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Angeloidus
Russian Federation251 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
5 years :O long live NaVi | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 30 2015 23:02 govie wrote: deperately needs a double corechange and another drafter for goblak if he keeps doing this wierd shit with qop offlane and nightstalker mid drafts. I am really an impartial observer, if anything I am a Na'Vi skeptic even, but today this squad has clearly shown that DAC and TI5 is only their to lose | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On January 30 2015 23:02 govie wrote: deperately needs a double corechange and another drafter for goblak if he keeps doing this wierd shit with qop offlane and nightstalker mid drafts. they went 4-0, i think they are working | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
20 bad days, 1 good day. It can be just 1 good day, but you have to start winning somewhere i guess. Im still not convinced this lineup is can be competative enough, but well see. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On January 31 2015 02:37 govie wrote: 20 bad days, 1 good day. It can be just 1 good day, but you have to start winning somewhere i guess. Im still not convinced this lineup is can be competative enough, but well see. i didnt said otherwise, but since the wiildcards they have shown a lot more competent games than a long time before, thts considering Day 1 | ||
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