Outdrafted, outlaned, outplayed. They just don't have any sort of strategy and tactics, they just all play individually and get destroyed.

4cl went full greedy lineup with 4 melee heroes and Na'Vi didn't know how to punish it. They could have punished it in the drafting stage by picking WD or Wyvern as their 2nd support, pick timber for Dendi mid or funnik offlane both can play the hero, he is a melee destroyer.

Alcor

Italy137 Posts

October 22 2015 19:58 GMT

#2903

nah, they just lost min 1 mid... dendy razor not the best, if u give him a hard lane too, that's it.

second game going better

Racket

3023 Posts

October 22 2015 20:59 GMT

#2904

If NP wasn't stupid enough, he got buffed...

Taosu

Ukraine1074 Posts

October 22 2015 21:00 GMT

#2905

Na`Vi are once again losing Bo3 in the worst way possible: feeding in game 1 like bitches, owning in game 2, feeding in game 3, then attempting a legit comeback and then losing because of early feed.

I'm sensing a pattern here.

Racket

3023 Posts

October 22 2015 21:04 GMT

#2906

On October 23 2015 06:00 Taosu wrote:
Na`Vi are once again losing Bo3 in the worst way possible: feeding in game 1 like bitches, owning in game 2, feeding in game 3, then attempting a legit comeback and then losing because of early feed.

I'm sensing a pattern here.

Hehehe, well, given there is no captain/drafter, I find it quite fine. As long as they don't care losing to everybody and focus on developing Sonneiko as a captain/drafter, I can deal with it.
I prefer them sucking bad for some months to later come back strong and solid rather than swapping 234234 players until they perform like a T1.5 to end up losing TI quals or groups stages.

Gevna

France2332 Posts

October 22 2015 21:23 GMT

#2907

I'm so happy they did a fake disband just to ditch Hvost. We can already see the huge improvements of the team, now that the burden is out. Ditya Ra is already doing so much better. Hvost can't be an anchor anymore, and we can finally see how Funnik or Dendi are now carrying Navi hard again.

Please keep up Navi with the very good decisions.

elagrion

Ukraine422 Posts

October 22 2015 22:08 GMT

#2908

They won game 2 vs very questionable draft. Silencer (3rd pick) basically countered everyone, and hardlane Pudge was joke

Faruko

Chile34173 Posts

October 22 2015 22:24 GMT

#2909

I didnt watch the games, but i could care less about the results, i dont think they care either, they have almost 0 practice with the players and (if they are to believe) they are trying players

I rather see how much does the team feel than win 10 worthless gsmes with standins only to change and go back to 0

Tephus

Cascadia1754 Posts

October 22 2015 22:53 GMT

#2910

I still think xbox was the best player on this team over the past year (maybe not counting fng).

elagrion

Ukraine422 Posts

October 22 2015 23:25 GMT

#2911

On October 23 2015 07:53 Tephus wrote:
I still think xbox was the best player on this team over the past year (maybe not counting fng).

Appart from Sonneiko - he was.

Gevna

France2332 Posts

October 23 2015 00:07 GMT

#2912

On October 23 2015 07:53 Tephus wrote:
I still think xbox was the best player on this team over the past year (maybe not counting fng).

I agree.

Racket

3023 Posts

October 23 2015 06:27 GMT

#2913

On October 23 2015 06:23 Gevna wrote:
I'm so happy they did a fake disband just to ditch Hvost. We can already see the huge improvements of the team, now that the burden is out. Ditya Ra is already doing so much better. Hvost can't be an anchor anymore, and we can finally see how Funnik or Dendi are now carrying Navi hard again.

Please keep up Navi with the very good decisions.

Come on Gevna, they have to go down before they go up. Let them suck. Also, watch out for your blood pressure.

On October 23 2015 07:24 Faruko wrote:
I didnt watch the games, but i could care less about the results, i dont think they care either, they have almost 0 practice with the players and (if they are to believe) they are trying players

I rather see how much does the team feel than win 10 worthless gsmes with standins only to change and go back to 0

Yes, and is good to see that they try more than one series with the same players.

On October 23 2015 07:53 Tephus wrote:
I still think xbox was the best player on this team over the past year (maybe not counting fng).

In contrast to what the community says, I don't think Xboct was the problem, they just couldn't keep playing together. They all are good enough to play in a T1 team, just not together.

Faruko

Chile34173 Posts

October 23 2015 12:36 GMT

#2914

10/10 would read again...

Gevna

France2332 Posts

October 23 2015 15:07 GMT

#2915

On October 23 2015 21:36 Faruko wrote:

Show nested quote +

10/10 would read again...

You're so Hypocritical. If it was Hvost who did half the mistakes Ditya Ra made (for exemple his slardar game), or had little to no impact (like all their loss) you would just blame the hell out of Hvost.

Racket

3023 Posts

October 23 2015 17:04 GMT

#2916

On October 24 2015 00:07 Gevna wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well, you have to agree that Xboct has history. Every mistake he makes feels worse.
But yes, Ditya Ra fked up a few times there.

Faruko

Chile34173 Posts

October 23 2015 17:06 GMT

#2917

oh yeah am i ?

Of course i would blame hvost

Are you really comparing a 19-20 year old kid who has been playing on tier 2 teams his entire carrier and never had the luxuries that means playing in a team like NaVi to a 24-25 guy who has won 1 International and got into 2 more finals in a row, won countless of tournaments, was hailed as one of the best carries at some point, etc... ?

Sorry but no, you just cant, its not even fair, in fact, that hvost made so many freaking noob mistakes this last year says a lot, Ditya Ra can and will keep on doing them untill he learns, he has way less years of professional play and not only that, he was never head to head with the best of the best.

If Dytia is making these mistakes with only 2 years (and many of those years not even in the top of the league) of dota 2 carreer its understandable , that hvost was making those mistakes with 6 (!!!) years of Dota carreer its downright unacceptable

Gevna

France2332 Posts

October 23 2015 18:17 GMT

#2918

On October 24 2015 02:06 Faruko wrote:
oh yeah am i ?

Of course i would blame hvost

Are you really comparing a 19-20 year old kid who has been playing on tier 2 teams his entire carrier and never had the luxuries that means playing in a team like NaVi to a 24-25 guy who has won 1 International and got into 2 more finals in a row, won countless of tournaments, was hailed as one of the best carries at some point, etc... ?

Sorry but no, you just cant, its not even fair, in fact, that hvost made so many freaking noob mistakes these last years says a lot, Ditya Ra can and will keep on doing them untill he learns, he has way less years of professional play and not only that, he was never head to head with the best of the best.

If Dytia is making these mistakes with only 2 years (and many of those years not even in the top of the league) of dota 2 carreer its understandable , that hvost was making those mistakes with 6 (!!!) years of Dota carreer its downright unacceptable

Well Im sorry but Ditya Ra is playing for a lot longer than 2 years, he got noticed 2 years ago, but he has a lot of experience in Dota and was even playing in Dota 1. And if crawling from tier 2 team to tier 2 team is an excuse for playing bad, then I don't know what to say.

Anyway you could say the exact same thing for Dendi, but for some reasons you don't.

I thought we mostly agreed here that the problem in Navi was definitely the attitude of the players, their relationship between them, the need to break the comfort zone and the lack of good leadership, and yet you're just satisfied with this joke of a disband (just because Hvost is not here anymore). In the end, nothing fundamental changed with this "disband".

Faruko

Chile34173 Posts

October 23 2015 20:38 GMT

#2919

Arent we in the same situation then ? you think dendi should have been kicked and not xboct, i think xboct should have been kicked and not dendi

even the arguments for each other are pretty much the same, alliance has 80% the same roster it has been for quite some time, yet they are showing signs, why would not be the case with NaVi ? swaping 2 out of 5 players seems like a lot to me, this "disband" was never true.

And like i said, Sonneiko HAD to stay, he was the only worthwile player from the old NaVi, and yes they kept Dendi, the only decision you could argue about, im not counting Funn1k because they stated that only Sonneiko and Dendi were part of the team, for all we know they havent found a decent offlaner yet and he is only helping

And come on, if thats the case, im a pro Fifa player as been playing them on a yearly basis since 07, and no, im far from a pro, im good ? yes, but on pro level? not even close.