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Doneld G.
Profile Joined July 2017
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 04:24:50
June 02 2018 04:24 GMT
#3841
EG is underestimating bounty hunter by giving it to VG twice, should've ban BH in the second game, the track kill power is very scary. and idk why Lesh keeps on being first picked twice in a row, seems very squishy.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
June 02 2018 04:32 GMT
#3842
Normally i wouldn't mind a team losing with new rooster, just think some EG player don't have mentality doe that. Also don't like drafting, the last picks seem like the heroes that made least impact for EG in both games.
GO OG
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 02 2018 12:16 GMT
#3843
we have to remember they have 2 new roosters,
just give them time, theyll be stronger after bootcamps
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
cc1691
Profile Joined February 2015
16 Posts
June 02 2018 12:48 GMT
#3844
This team should disband. Too many huge egos.
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
June 02 2018 14:10 GMT
#3845
Same as when Misery joined; looks promising. Vision better, Arteezy more aggressive (at least in the Slark game). I also liked how they came together to defend in game 1 against VG (even though it got them wiped - they need to do it against better teams).
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
June 02 2018 14:18 GMT
#3846
On June 02 2018 23:10 Gaial wrote:
Same as when Misery joined; looks promising. Vision better, Arteezy more aggressive (at least in the Slark game). I also liked how they came together to defend in game 1 against VG (even though it got them wiped - they need to do it against better teams).


I thought Artour played fairly well in the veno game, too. Kept farm up and made a lot of space but nobody could recover their farm and the bounty just dumpstered them. Like 5 crow kills, one in particular that kept his mjol out for a major fight that could have swung the game.
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
June 02 2018 14:27 GMT
#3847
On June 02 2018 23:18 ahw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2018 23:10 Gaial wrote:
Same as when Misery joined; looks promising. Vision better, Arteezy more aggressive (at least in the Slark game). I also liked how they came together to defend in game 1 against VG (even though it got them wiped - they need to do it against better teams).


I thought Artour played fairly well in the veno game, too. Kept farm up and made a lot of space but nobody could recover their farm and the bounty just dumpstered them. Like 5 crow kills, one in particular that kept his mjol out for a major fight that could have swung the game.


I can't say much about that game because I was having problems watching it on event vods, so I only watched the highlights video.

I like the drafting, I think it's solid and gives them a chance to win every game. I think what's great so far is they've either lost the laning phase, or came out even, and still pushed each game to 40 mins. Promising.

Let's break the 0-7 losing streak in 2 days !
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-02 14:33:53
June 02 2018 14:32 GMT
#3848
On June 02 2018 23:27 Gaial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2018 23:18 ahw wrote:
On June 02 2018 23:10 Gaial wrote:
Same as when Misery joined; looks promising. Vision better, Arteezy more aggressive (at least in the Slark game). I also liked how they came together to defend in game 1 against VG (even though it got them wiped - they need to do it against better teams).


I thought Artour played fairly well in the veno game, too. Kept farm up and made a lot of space but nobody could recover their farm and the bounty just dumpstered them. Like 5 crow kills, one in particular that kept his mjol out for a major fight that could have swung the game.


I can't say much about that game because I was having problems watching it on event vods, so I only watched the highlights video.

I like the drafting, I think it's solid and gives them a chance to win every game. I think what's great so far is they've either lost the laning phase, or came out even, and still pushed each game to 40 mins. Promising.

Let's break the 0-7 losing streak in 2 days !


Tbh the drafting was likely the root problem of that game as the last pick DK did nothing but gaurentee razor a good matchup, sumail struggled to be relevant which is not where u want ur dk

And they didn’t ban BH
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
June 02 2018 14:33 GMT
#3849
On June 02 2018 21:16 LemOn wrote:
we have to remember they have 2 new roosters

...cock-a-doodle-doo?
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 02 2018 15:14 GMT
#3850
Was a bit sad they lost first game vs TNC, they deffo looked better in TNC game compared to VG game which is nice.

Hoping can get a win or 2 in lower bracket and make a little run, get some confidence.

Sumail in mid so much better. Rtc actually doesn't get sacked now and they just sack S4. However cr1t looking monsterous lol, actually awesome watching him.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
June 02 2018 16:27 GMT
#3851
Birmingham redemption incoming
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-04 11:25:22
June 04 2018 11:25 GMT
#3852
On June 03 2018 01:27 Gaial wrote:
Birmingham redemption incoming

On June 03 2018 01:27 Gaial wrote:
Birmingham redemption incoming


On June 03 2018 01:27 Gaial wrote:
Birmingham redemption incoming

On June 03 2018 01:27 Gaial wrote:
Birmingham redemption incoming

On June 03 2018 01:27 Gaial wrote:
Birmingham redemption incoming


+ Show Spoiler +
1st series win in a few weeks!!

Optic vs EG hype!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 04 2018 11:32 GMT
#3853
Not going to lie.

THANK YOU CR1T

Needs to be a thing lol. Holy fucking shit. Such good signs in all 3 games, but also bad signs in all 3 games. No idea what is going on, but hopefully learning and moving on.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
June 04 2018 11:46 GMT
#3854
#KING_OF_THE_AIRPORT FTW
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
June 04 2018 12:14 GMT
#3855
We won, yay! :D Gonna catch up on the games after work

BLEED BLUE
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
todayday
Profile Joined June 2018
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-04 12:51:17
June 04 2018 12:48 GMT
#3856
Some thoughts on game three vs spirit:

EG won. This is great. The way did is too in some ways. A symphony of errors. However with a laning phase this strong I feel that the course the game took showed some interesting inconsistencies in itemization and game flow as well as some oversight that really shouldn't occur at their level of play.

Lets disregard crit fly and s4 for the moment. They're on point.

Issue one: RTZ
you have the mechanically most gifted player in dota in my opinion. He's not a tactical genius in the same way that miracle and sumail are. He's simply incredibly quick and incredibly consistent at making use of timing windows, identifying them. The efficiency I feel can be a blessing and a curse. He is not very flexible.

The troll itemisation I found quite interesting post game. They had a 5 k lead post leaning, and transitiioning his lane into a yasha-> sandy-> blink/skadi build I think would have been way more consistent with the game flow. The yasha accelerates before the battle fury and perhaps if they(he?), were more confident they just deservedly stomp spirit and their racs into the ground in 30 minutes. Tough call in an elmination match though. Building agi vs shadow demon severely hurts your late game, your farm speed in regards to neutrals falls off and one wipe perhaps puts them in a losing position due to their main carry being compromised. I would like to see the draft more tailored around him, so that he can soak farm and have a freer game. Then again the raft in game 3 was incredibly difficult to maneuver for both sides with essentially EG likely to be at a disadvantage if they initiate an Team spirit needing to find very strong calls in order to justify forfeiting their counter initiation if they want to be proactive.
Slightly veered off track there. Perhaps this glass canon blink build was the way but I do think that he shouldn't be afraid to fight. His team is all there and a troll riding on the crest of a 5k net worth advantage wave, blinking in your face with range and yasha when your luna has dragon lance mask of madness is simply frightening. The bkb will come from tower gold.

Second Sumail:
Lovely play, as usual. However the aeon disc almost threw the game in my opinion, and really its simply a matter of doing your homework. The idea is great, the Lesh gets in on the front lines, and is no longer a viable target for initiation; if demonic purge wouldn't just nullify the entire investment of the item, that is. Okay you get some stats....

Imagine a linkens instead: with the exception of battle hunger all spells blocked are relevant.. Further, once shadow demon gets extra charges on the purge its no longer even creating space for the troll, you've simply wasted and item slot and a bunch of gold due to not being aware of some of the games item/spell dynamics.

Cant really be bothered with a coherent essay of analysis but in short i believe that EG won that game after reaching a winning position early then handicapping themselves to near death, and somehow pulling it back, in a wild, desperate, frenzied bloodbath of a match; no better way to instill in them the thirst for more. From here on its just work, the magic is back.
Their blades still rusty from humiliations past,
strike out again, and as they shatter from the shards, are born new swords;
Their brown is silent set beneath a glistening coat of red,
And in this final dawn's exhausted hue,
will in the iris, green, of their next foe be drowned,
and from it wrench a beating heart
a heart that bleeds but blue
I have a problem with gaming addiction so I cant play this lovely, lovely game anymore :,(
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
June 04 2018 13:09 GMT
#3857
Crit is the real carry. XD
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
June 04 2018 15:36 GMT
#3858
On June 04 2018 21:48 todayday wrote:
Some thoughts on game three vs spirit:

EG won. This is great. The way did is too in some ways. A symphony of errors. However with a laning phase this strong I feel that the course the game took showed some interesting inconsistencies in itemization and game flow as well as some oversight that really shouldn't occur at their level of play.

Lets disregard crit fly and s4 for the moment. They're on point.

Issue one: RTZ
you have the mechanically most gifted player in dota in my opinion. He's not a tactical genius in the same way that miracle and sumail are. He's simply incredibly quick and incredibly consistent at making use of timing windows, identifying them. The efficiency I feel can be a blessing and a curse. He is not very flexible.

The troll itemisation I found quite interesting post game. They had a 5 k lead post leaning, and transitiioning his lane into a yasha-> sandy-> blink/skadi build I think would have been way more consistent with the game flow. The yasha accelerates before the battle fury and perhaps if they(he?), were more confident they just deservedly stomp spirit and their racs into the ground in 30 minutes. Tough call in an elmination match though. Building agi vs shadow demon severely hurts your late game, your farm speed in regards to neutrals falls off and one wipe perhaps puts them in a losing position due to their main carry being compromised. I would like to see the draft more tailored around him, so that he can soak farm and have a freer game. Then again the raft in game 3 was incredibly difficult to maneuver for both sides with essentially EG likely to be at a disadvantage if they initiate an Team spirit needing to find very strong calls in order to justify forfeiting their counter initiation if they want to be proactive.
Slightly veered off track there. Perhaps this glass canon blink build was the way but I do think that he shouldn't be afraid to fight. His team is all there and a troll riding on the crest of a 5k net worth advantage wave, blinking in your face with range and yasha when your luna has dragon lance mask of madness is simply frightening. The bkb will come from tower gold.

Second Sumail:
Lovely play, as usual. However the aeon disc almost threw the game in my opinion, and really its simply a matter of doing your homework. The idea is great, the Lesh gets in on the front lines, and is no longer a viable target for initiation; if demonic purge wouldn't just nullify the entire investment of the item, that is. Okay you get some stats....

Imagine a linkens instead: with the exception of battle hunger all spells blocked are relevant.. Further, once shadow demon gets extra charges on the purge its no longer even creating space for the troll, you've simply wasted and item slot and a bunch of gold due to not being aware of some of the games item/spell dynamics.

Cant really be bothered with a coherent essay of analysis but in short i believe that EG won that game after reaching a winning position early then handicapping themselves to near death, and somehow pulling it back, in a wild, desperate, frenzied bloodbath of a match; no better way to instill in them the thirst for more. From here on its just work, the magic is back.
Their blades still rusty from humiliations past,
strike out again, and as they shatter from the shards, are born new swords;
Their brown is silent set beneath a glistening coat of red,
And in this final dawn's exhausted hue,
will in the iris, green, of their next foe be drowned,
and from it wrench a beating heart
a heart that bleeds but blue


Seems they still lack synergy, Understandable. But they won't have much practice in official matches before TI.
Lets be honest here - Spirit threw that game, they had the better lategame, and got RTZ and Sumail dead for 100 secs. Then they threw.
Almost any other team would've secured the win right there - Blind hitting the t4 towers was the only wrong play.

However, that series was a light in the end of the tunnel, lets hope it is not from the incoming train.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 04 2018 20:14 GMT
#3859
Thanks for the analysis todayday, really good! I like when people post analysis without "attacking" players and calling them "trash cuz he bought this item". You wrote it out really well in an optimistic way and not a negative criticism way

Hoping Sumail and Rtc enjoy a nice day of pubs tomorrow grinding whilst coach Bulba gets us ready to out draft PPD into defeat! Then again a 3 way battle in NA qualifiers will be nuts, with the likes of COL and Immortals MAYBE able to take games off you haha, nuts!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
7wig
Profile Joined April 2018
Australia27 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-05 09:19:25
June 05 2018 09:11 GMT
#3860
The troll itemisation I found quite interesting post game. They had a 5 k lead post leaning, and transitioning his lane into a yasha-> sandy-> blink/skadi build I think would have been way more consistent with the game flow.


He needs BKB to deal with the kiting in my opinion he was already getting kited heavily with BKB can you imagine how bad it would of been without it. What I don't agree with however is RTZ going battlefury every game. As some of the analysts pointed out mom or even SandY into BKB could of been better for fighting.

There were some good points though that came out of game three. It was really good to see Sumail and RTZ playing dota and not their heroes. This is what they need to do if they want to win big tournaments, yeah Sumail kinda went in balls deep sometimes and getting destroyed but there were good moments of unselfish play which was good to see.
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