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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
January 22 2018 13:14 GMT
#3281
I mean, the tinker game was as triple core as you can get pretty much.

I was kind of disappointed in the grand finals tbh. Oh well. I still have high hopes for this lineup.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 22 2018 13:36 GMT
#3282
I think they're certainly playing better than before misery. At least it seems like they have a lot more "energy", whereas before it seemed like they would just lose, now games are close and exciting. But I'm not convinced yet that fear can play core role at the highest level. Hoping for the best though!
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
January 22 2018 13:57 GMT
#3283
On January 22 2018 22:14 Atreides wrote:
I mean, the tinker game was as triple core as you can get pretty much.

I was kind of disappointed in the grand finals tbh. Oh well. I still have high hopes for this lineup.

Oh yeah my bad i thought that was the game with nyx. In that game i think they had the wrong set up. I mean imagine Rtc on the void as carry, you mid the Tinker and give it sumail, then the spare lane goes to Fear to do something with the DP who is only really a walking ult to help push towers it seemed anyway.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-22 14:31:18
January 22 2018 14:25 GMT
#3284
To be honest, they played better, but that's not saying much considering besides VGJ, that tournament was pretty awful, some really bad teams

they did beat VGJ 2-0 on the Wfinals, but lost 3-0 when it mattered... i don´t know, i see improvement, but i just don't feel offlane suma1l and core Fear

rather have rtz back core, Fear offlane and suma1l midlane

although i do understand why suma1l plays offlane, it is the new "tempo controller", but fear core? not sure
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
January 22 2018 15:53 GMT
#3285
Think EG wil get better soon, need to improve early game, but with the quality of players they have that should be fixable. Think Misery and Fear will play better with some more match practice. Also the drafting should get better when Misery learns the players strengths and weakness more, and Sumail learns more offlane heroes.

GO OG
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
January 22 2018 15:58 GMT
#3286
Don't forget god bulba is also helping draft! He is our secret weapon <3
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
January 23 2018 11:37 GMT
#3287
Today was a bad day everything went wrong, bad team fights, bad picks (imo) and just felt like we were all over the place. Oh well, tomorrow is a new day! Hoping a nice series vs Penta then we have to beat TNC/Newbee in the following game.
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Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
January 23 2018 13:10 GMT
#3288
I don't think I can recall a game where AA so effectively used ice blast to burst people down so often. It was well done.

Sumail also had 0 impact that game.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
January 23 2018 15:23 GMT
#3289
I haven't seen the game but if they got crushed hard I won't even bother with watching a vod. I just hope they don't do another roster change after this tournament :/
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 23 2018 19:29 GMT
#3290
On January 23 2018 20:37 Pandemona wrote:
Today was a bad day everything went wrong, bad team fights, bad picks (imo) and just felt like we were all over the place. Oh well, tomorrow is a new day! Hoping a nice series vs Penta then we have to beat TNC/Newbee in the following game.

It was a bad day, but was the draft rly that bad?
We were doing ok until that Rosh attempt...
Biggest negative about the game was Sumails performance. He never got to play aggressive, he was always trying to catch up... Mag vrs Void/AA is a hard matchup, but he should have managed to do better then lv 4 at almost 8 min with 8 lh... roam, try jungle with clarity, i dunno... something...
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
January 23 2018 20:44 GMT
#3291
That what i mean the mag pick just felt off and the Jug pick probably needed to be something different. Thought we just were a bit lacklustre from draft to the game itself. Oh well, day 1 EG ? :D

Just need to get past Penta TNC/Newbee then probs rematch with NAVI? unlesss LFY/Mineski better than they were on day 1 too.
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Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
January 23 2018 22:16 GMT
#3292
On January 24 2018 04:29 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 20:37 Pandemona wrote:
Today was a bad day everything went wrong, bad team fights, bad picks (imo) and just felt like we were all over the place. Oh well, tomorrow is a new day! Hoping a nice series vs Penta then we have to beat TNC/Newbee in the following game.

It was a bad day, but was the draft rly that bad?
We were doing ok until that Rosh attempt...
Biggest negative about the game was Sumails performance. He never got to play aggressive, he was always trying to catch up... Mag vrs Void/AA is a hard matchup, but he should have managed to do better then lv 4 at almost 8 min with 8 lh... roam, try jungle with clarity, i dunno... something...



Actually, I think they were quite forced into getting that Roshan because they were getting picked off all over the map. Yes, net worth was close at that point, but keeping the status quo there would mean a pick off into a base push, which EG would have problems defending.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
January 23 2018 23:22 GMT
#3293
why is fear playing mid when there's sumail and rtz on the team O_o
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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
January 24 2018 00:37 GMT
#3294
Because rtz and sumail dont want it rofl. Most games they clearly give fear the "hardest" lane. Mid aint all that it used to be.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
January 24 2018 13:27 GMT
#3295
How were the games today? I'm at work so I can't watch them yet
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Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 15:26:10
January 24 2018 15:25 GMT
#3296
First game was just awful, really bad and uninspired other once where stomps over Penta.
What i learned was that Dazzle just seem awful and Misery doesn't really play it that good, think EG should focus on more aggressive supports just make team feel much better. Fear looked really good on Lycan. Sumail Batrider is really good and he smashed a Timbersaw on it.
Penta seems like an ok Euro teams that is aggressive, and what makes it fun is one carry (Oliver i think) almost always go for Radiance on matter what Hero he plays
GO OG
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 15:40:55
January 24 2018 15:38 GMT
#3297
Yeah watched game 1 vod and i like died and was about to rage quit work life, but game 2 and 3 were what you would expect. Dominated every lane, got a lead, spiraled that lead into a crushing victory.

Game 1 was so weird and scary though, they were bloody awful. Draft issue though right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotaVods/comments/7s91wa/esl_one_genting_2018/

YouTube HD vods of each game here which are worth watching (not to long either)

TNC next up, then Mineski/NAVI for a place in the bracket stage. Then win that game to get into points, long road but points are needed!
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ironcell
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1127 Posts
January 24 2018 17:10 GMT
#3298
Game 1 looks like a bad draft, that DK pick was game losing.
Game 2 was a very good execution by Fear and Sumail, it was EG winning formula = win lanes + get map control + get 10k advantage into gg. The draft was also superior but the game was over after 12 minutes.
Game 3 was a good execution and abuse of the slow curve of void and pl vs Sven and Lycan.
I think the conclusion for this series is that Fear need farm as fast as posible and Sumail a strong laning pick that pressures the enemy laner. I really like how supports are rotating after laning phase.
I also believe that this team is starting to play lijke ti3 Alliance, rtz is like bulldog, fear plays like Loda and Sumail like S4. Let rtz manage the late game, and try to win before that from min 1 with Fear and Sumail.
The fastest they assume an identity as a team and decide their farm priority (between Fear and Sumail) the stronger they would look.
The question is how this iteration is gonna play when they are behind or equal because they look pretty sharp when ahead, but if Fear is behind the team has serious issues. They need those games, i hope that the boys go over Tnc and get a rematch vs Navi.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
January 24 2018 17:46 GMT
#3299
On January 25 2018 02:10 ironcell wrote:

I also believe that this team is starting to play lijke ti3 Alliance, rtz is like bulldog, fear plays like Loda and Sumail like S4. Let rtz manage the late game, and try to win before that from min 1 with Fear and Sumail.
The fastest they assume an identity as a team and decide their farm priority (between Fear and Sumail) the stronger they would look.
The question is how this iteration is gonna play when they are behind or equal because they look pretty sharp when ahead, but if Fear is behind the team has serious issues. They need those games, i hope that the boys go over Tnc and get a rematch vs Navi.


If it was 2013, im pretty sure that is an ownage formula.
For 2018 i am not convinced by the new gameplay / gameplans. EG look way too shaky way too often. Just compare to the top 3 teams - and they are not even close. This doesn't sound good when we are talking EG. They haven't even played versus good team with the new roster.
Hopefully they will improve i want to have as many top teams as possible. After all im just a fan - all i want is some good doto to watch.

PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 19:04:10
January 24 2018 19:02 GMT
#3300
Game 2 and 3 vs Penta were good, if somewhat scrappy at times. They really should always be winning their games in that manner against lesser teams. I hope they can finally stick to their roster for many months and build up their play to the top tier level.
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