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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2816 Posts
August 02 2018 17:11 GMT
#194021
On August 02 2018 07:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
idk any marketable dota cosmetic from a treasure chest is already the same as artifact cards from packs right?

and its not even like dota was the start of this (TF2)


I'm just saying Wizards doesn't directly profit from a card being worth $50 because they don't actually market the card for $50, they just market it by its rarity. Valve/steam to some extent directly participate in the sale of hats (or in this case cards) and are more directly connected to the "third party market" for their goods because it isn't actually a third party market.

I feel like this would matter, because the argument that MTG is gambling is only enabled by the fact that there is a third party market that assigns value to cards on a card-by-card basis, and Wizards is entirely disconnected from that process. Valve, on the other hand, would directly be part of that process.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 02 2018 17:32 GMT
#194022
On August 02 2018 09:33 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2018 17:23 PassiveAce wrote:
eieio srsly if you dont post that pic I will

i swear 2 god

Swear to whoever you want you got 12 hours bucko
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
August 02 2018 17:38 GMT
#194023
On August 03 2018 02:11 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2018 07:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
idk any marketable dota cosmetic from a treasure chest is already the same as artifact cards from packs right?

and its not even like dota was the start of this (TF2)


I'm just saying Wizards doesn't directly profit from a card being worth $50 because they don't actually market the card for $50, they just market it by its rarity. Valve/steam to some extent directly participate in the sale of hats (or in this case cards) and are more directly connected to the "third party market" for their goods because it isn't actually a third party market.

I feel like this would matter, because the argument that MTG is gambling is only enabled by the fact that there is a third party market that assigns value to cards on a card-by-card basis, and Wizards is entirely disconnected from that process. Valve, on the other hand, would directly be part of that process.


valve's out is that the cards will only be purchasable with steam wallet money, which is not real money. it's the same defense they use for csgo skins and such on the steam market
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 02 2018 17:54 GMT
#194024
So you will be able to buy them with real money? Because that is how my steam wallet gets money in it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
August 02 2018 18:31 GMT
#194025
On August 02 2018 21:11 Faruko wrote:
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On August 02 2018 12:35 Atreides wrote:
On August 02 2018 10:27 intotheheart wrote:
What's the first rule, to not talk about the rules?


Rule #1: people are stupid




Some people think my universal rules of life are a bit harsh.

does that make you stupid too?

i mean,you are people after all



Ya for sure. No ones immune to the universal truths. Besides I e done a lot of stupid shit in my life I’d never argue with this.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 02 2018 18:57 GMT
#194026
On August 03 2018 02:54 Plansix wrote:
So you will be able to buy them with real money? Because that is how my steam wallet gets money in it.

ah but once you turn ur real money into steam money, it's no longer real money

isn't it kinda like most games that have premium currency. you could just replace steam money with steamgold or someth ing
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 02 2018 19:11 GMT
#194027
On August 03 2018 03:57 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 02:54 Plansix wrote:
So you will be able to buy them with real money? Because that is how my steam wallet gets money in it.

ah but once you turn ur real money into steam money, it's no longer real money

isn't it kinda like most games that have premium currency. you could just replace steam money with steamgold or someth ing

Man I feel like a really good law team could blow this argument apart but what do i know XD
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Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
August 02 2018 19:23 GMT
#194028
On August 03 2018 04:11 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 03:57 ahswtini wrote:
On August 03 2018 02:54 Plansix wrote:
So you will be able to buy them with real money? Because that is how my steam wallet gets money in it.

ah but once you turn ur real money into steam money, it's no longer real money

isn't it kinda like most games that have premium currency. you could just replace steam money with steamgold or someth ing

Man I feel like a really good law team could blow this argument apart but what do i know XD

Probably, but i don't see many companies that would be willing to do it since all of steam competitors do the same practice
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 02 2018 19:24 GMT
#194029
On August 03 2018 04:23 Pontual wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 04:11 Comeh wrote:
On August 03 2018 03:57 ahswtini wrote:
On August 03 2018 02:54 Plansix wrote:
So you will be able to buy them with real money? Because that is how my steam wallet gets money in it.

ah but once you turn ur real money into steam money, it's no longer real money

isn't it kinda like most games that have premium currency. you could just replace steam money with steamgold or someth ing

Man I feel like a really good law team could blow this argument apart but what do i know XD

Probably, but i don't see many companies that would be willing to do it since all of steam competitors do the same practice

It'll probably just get banned whenever congress needs a new moral panic
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 02 2018 19:43 GMT
#194030
On August 03 2018 04:11 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 03:57 ahswtini wrote:
On August 03 2018 02:54 Plansix wrote:
So you will be able to buy them with real money? Because that is how my steam wallet gets money in it.

ah but once you turn ur real money into steam money, it's no longer real money

isn't it kinda like most games that have premium currency. you could just replace steam money with steamgold or someth ing

Man I feel like a really good law team could blow this argument apart but what do i know XD

It is currency, that would be a no brainer. They can’t make is magical not money if it comes from money.

Also other services let you have a balance with their store. They don’t let you sell shit in an auction house. That is the part is the thing that sets Valve apart.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 02 2018 19:53 GMT
#194031
P6 which one is more realistic Boston Public or Boston Legal
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2816 Posts
August 02 2018 21:29 GMT
#194032
Idk I just feel like if buying packs of a tradeable card game would be considered gambling, short of forbidding it entirely there's a lot less that could be legally done to Wizards than to Valve. You could ask valve to post approximate values and odds and stuff, but idk how you'd restrict Wizards.

Not that I feel it should be restricted, but it feels like a possibility it eventually does.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 02 2018 21:30 GMT
#194033
Boston Public, it was a better show. Boston legal always had them going to a nice court house with high ceilings and air conditioning.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 02 2018 21:40 GMT
#194034
Steam money =/= money
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 01:34:40
August 03 2018 01:30 GMT
#194035
why the fuck is Ninja playing Fortnite in Lollapalooza, what the fuck is wrong with this world

the fuck, is he playing with band members? (he just said he is some dude from a band called All Time Low)

like... what the fuck
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 03 2018 01:52 GMT
#194036
I had to look up who they were, they sound a lot like Fall Out Boy
Steam: rook492
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
August 03 2018 02:44 GMT
#194037
nice wed camp did a collab wiht churches
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
August 03 2018 03:15 GMT
#194038
It’s raining I sent other 9 people home 2 days ago while we wait for an opening so today I’ve wasted a lot of time trying to do the survivor island challenge thing in botw.

I’m sure it would be easier if I was more than 20 shrines in I’ve died twice to oneshots and had to start over. Whoops

I don’t particularly want specific advice I’m just venting. I haven’t looked a single thing up ever and It’s my first Zelda game so I’m doing a lot of figuring things out.
peter30
Profile Joined August 2018
1 Post
August 03 2018 03:42 GMT
#194039
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 03 2018 03:47 GMT
#194040
damn that was a fast nuke time
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