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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 13 2014 23:30 GMT
#122981
[01:29:53] <Erasme_> thats the thing
[01:29:55] <Erasme_> i understand
[01:29:58] <Erasme_> everything they said
[01:30:05] <Erasme_> but simply they dont understand what theyre saying

this is too much for me
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 13 2014 23:30 GMT
#122982
On August 14 2014 08:29 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 08:26 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On August 14 2014 08:25 Shaella wrote:
On August 14 2014 08:24 tehh4ck3r wrote:
if it was a 108 sided dice

the chance of rolling any given number is 1/108

the chance of rolling that same number again, *after he has already rolled once* is 1/108

the chance of rolling any given number twice in a row is 1/108 * 1/108

no the chance of rolling any number is 100%
the chance of rolling a specific number is 1/108


by "any given number" i meant "a specific number"

cuz its exactly what it means
unless you can roll every number at once with a dice

look when you roll a dice you have a 100% chance to get a number

there is no way you are not getting a number

And then you try to roll that number again

thats the 1/6 chance in getting something twice in a row
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 13 2014 23:31 GMT
#122983
you guys are both right but are arguing different scenarios and nobody seems to acknowledge it.


there is a big difference in saying

1) what are the chances I roll a (1) on my dice twice in a row (Erasme)

and

2) I rolled a (1), what are the chances my next roll is a (1) (the entire thread)

fakin noobs man.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 23:32:46
August 13 2014 23:32 GMT
#122984
On August 14 2014 08:31 crms wrote:
you guys are both right but are arguing different scenarios and nobody seems to acknowledge it.


there is a big difference in saying

1) what are the chances I roll a (1) on my dice twice in a row (Erasme)

and

2) I rolled a (1), what are the chances my next roll is a (1) (the entire thread)

fakin noobs man.

The thing is we tried to explain we are talking about that scenario. We said to him that the quote said ANY hero. He says it makes no diference. Because 1 is any number. Aparently.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 23:32:48
August 13 2014 23:32 GMT
#122985
you guys are both right your just not agreeing on the scenario.
ninjad
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 13 2014 23:32 GMT
#122986
On August 14 2014 08:31 crms wrote:
you guys are both right but are arguing different scenarios and nobody seems to acknowledge it.


there is a big difference in saying

1) what are the chances I roll a (1) on my dice twice in a row (Erasme)

and

2) I rolled a (1), what are the chances my next roll is a (1) (the entire thread)

fakin noobs man.

The only good part of all this is Erasme will now enter the hall of fame as the one unable to understand stats
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 13 2014 23:32 GMT
#122987
but the scenario we're arguing is the probability of randoming the same hero after you randomed it the game before

which is 1/108

so he's wrong
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 23:36:39
August 13 2014 23:35 GMT
#122988
On August 14 2014 08:06 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 08:04 Erasme wrote:
On August 14 2014 08:02 SKC wrote:
On August 14 2014 08:01 DV G wrote:
Isnt the chance to random a hero::

Hero/total pool of heroes?


And if you are randoming again, does the 1st random counts do to the math or it just resets and so the twice in a row hero is the same chance as getting the 1st hero? I have no clue how randoming works, so im asking.

The chance to random any hero is 100%. You always get a hero. The chance to random that same hero again is 1/number of heroes.

Noone talked about the chance of randomning a specific hero, and then to random that hero again.

except that the discussion is about randoming bh twice in a row
mad reading skills or trying to not look like a complete idiot?

Read the post you quoted. It stated ANY hero.

And the guy was surprised he got BH twice. Could have been any hero. He wasn't surprised he got BH the first time, and then surprised again he got it the second time. Only the second roll was "unlikely". He would have had the same reaction no matter the hero that rolled twice.

You could do (1/numberofheroes^2)^2 to represent that it doesnt matter which hero, but its the same thing

Here, that was addressed very quickly.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 13 2014 23:35 GMT
#122989
the hell happened to this thread
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 23:36:15
August 13 2014 23:35 GMT
#122990
This is actually maybe the 2nd or 3rd most enjoyable thing to happen at work today. I love this thread.


you guys should actually see IRC, it's way more intense. lols.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 13 2014 23:37 GMT
#122991
On August 14 2014 08:35 crms wrote:
This is actually maybe the 2nd or 3rd most enjoyable thing to happen at work today. I love this thread.

An otherwise respectable community member is making a giant fool of himself because he would rather assume everybody else is retarded than admit he interpreted the original question wrong? You people disgust me with your drama mongering ways
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 23:40:00
August 13 2014 23:38 GMT
#122992
I find it hilarious when someone that acts so superior to everyone else is unable to understand simple math and keeps calling everyone retarded because of it.

He cant admit he understood the question wrong. It was immediatly pointed to him and he kept saying he was right. It is a very common mistake, this debate happens all the time, everyone can do it. It's not ussually this funny.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
August 13 2014 23:39 GMT
#122993
reminder that randoming a hero isnt 1/108 coz others may have picked one before u XD
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 13 2014 23:40 GMT
#122994
I'm writing a story and I'm in stage where I need to make some pedo jokes and this shit really threw me off. Thanks a lot everyone
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 13 2014 23:40 GMT
#122995
Beesa knows his shit
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 23:40:46
August 13 2014 23:40 GMT
#122996
On August 14 2014 08:39 ChunderBoy wrote:
reminder that randoming a hero isnt 1/108 coz others may have picked one before u XD

omg dude, don't make it any more confusing, we're having a hard enough time as it is.

edit; kupo vs erasme still going on in irc, round 900, FIGHT.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 23:43:08
August 13 2014 23:42 GMT
#122997
On August 14 2014 08:32 Shaella wrote:
but the scenario we're arguing is the probability of randoming the same hero after you randomed it the game before

which is 1/108

so he's wrong

This is assuming that Randoming is an independent event from previous instances or heroes played and if you're the first to pick. If it takes into consideration other factors, then no.

But you're probably right. It'd be silly if randoming is not independent.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 13 2014 23:42 GMT
#122998
Seeing kupo argue with anyone makes me feel really old.

Fuck, he might even be triggering me
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 13 2014 23:47 GMT
#122999
On August 14 2014 08:35 crms wrote:
This is actually maybe the 2nd or 3rd most enjoyable thing to happen at work today. I love this thread.


you guys should actually see IRC, it's way more intense. lols.

what were the other 2
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 13 2014 23:48 GMT
#123000
What the fuck, why are you all arguing about simple math when both of you keep referencing different equations? The chance of getting the same hero again is 1/108. Fucking done. Class dismissed.
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