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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Ru ba
Serbia1812 Posts
He's a good hero right now but tiny without wisp is still pretty questionable and it's hard not to telegraph a tiny wisp draft,so teams can never really get caught off guard by it and are always able to pick something against it. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
I expect to see him first banned/picked a lot. And here's the reason Tiny punishes mistakes incredibly hard right now, while also carrying really goddamn hard, a single mistake against a level 16 tiny with aghs basically guarantees a raxing due to his damage output. Also, i'm waiting for troll to come back. And then we get to see the glory of tiny/troll | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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Ru ba
Serbia1812 Posts
I'm totally convinced | ||
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
On May 11 2014 18:13 EmilA wrote: AM is out. He's like in the bottom five atm. Void on the other hand gonna see some action methinks. AM is fine in the right situations (as he has always been), we had two AM games a week ago where in both games the AM didn't die once. LGD vs HGT (Xiaotuji, 9/0/3) and VG vs DT (Sylar, 16/0/4). | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
Something like... push > team fight > ganking > push... perhaps? Of course, Dota is immensely complex and everything is situational, but some kind of guideline should exist. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
I seriously think he's a viable pick against stuff like shadow shaman and qop because they expend so much mana that AMs ult will deal crazy damage in an AOE with a level 11 ult. Maybe teams need to build him as a bit more of an early game fighter instead of rushing bfury, idk. The AOE is just so stupidly big now. 500 fucking AOE. I hope he makes a return for TI4  | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On May 11 2014 18:53 Ru ba wrote: so your argument why tiny is the best carry is a blanket statement I'm totally convinced No, my argument is that he pushes incredibly hard and carries hard, no other carry brings the level of lategame FUCK YOUR BASE that Tiny does. I've literally been sitting watching a match with a friend, and going, "oh, its tiny time now." And watching Tiny just win a game out of nowhere because he kills t3s in like 4 hits with aghs, and raxes just as fast. Tiny is incredibly punishing of a single mid/late mistake, in ways other carries just aren't, even other push heavy carries like Lycan. Do not underestimate this hero. A lot of his competition has taken nerfs, and he's incredible against other melee carries in particular because of craggy. Particularly strong against Ursa who has been prominent this patch. And finally his 'illusions being strong', has never stopped a carry from being prominent in Dota. Ever. Antimage's illusions hurt. Morphling's illusions hurt. Terrorblade's illusions hurt. Luna's illusions hurt like hell, PL's illusions create armies, spectre's illusions kill everything, Naga illusions are tanky as fuck and usually have a radiance attached. The argument that the other team could make an illusion of your carry is pretty much irrelevant, like it almost doesn't matter what carry you pick, most of them are gonna have REALLY strong illusions just due to how agi carries build and the items they tend to buy, particularly butterfly. Tiny is going to be the dominant carry, there's very little to contest him right now, and he's crazy strong in the dual mid meta that's developing. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On May 11 2014 18:57 Kishin2 wrote: What's the cycle for strategy in Dota? It's getting balanced enough to where this might be a thing. I think DK probably have an idea of this based on their Starladder showing. EG look like they might have something too. Something like... push > team fight > ganking > push... perhaps? Of course, Dota is immensely complex and everything is situational, but some kind of guideline should exist. Teamfight > push strats (Global) ganking > splitpushing Splitpushing > teamfight Push strats > ganking Turtle 4p1 > push strats Splitpushing > Turtle4p1 erm.. this may be bullshit. I don't know. In general doing well in the laning stage and taking the right trades when it comes to towers and farming seems more important. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If Tiny without Wisp becomes stable, then picking Tiny is going to create a lot of draft pressure because it will force Wisp bans/picks at awkward times in order to deny them. Conversely, if Tiny can't get away from being tethered to Wisp, he's going to have a hard time breaking out from pick 3/4 to pick 1/2. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:16 AwfuL_ wrote: Teamfight > push strats (Global) ganking > splitpushing Splitpushing > teamfight Push strats > ganking Turtle 4p1 > push strats Splitpushing > Turtle4p1 erm.. this may be bullshit. I don't know. In general doing well in the laning stage and taking the right trades when it comes to towers and farming seems more important. I feel like the cycle is more rat>teamfight>gank>rat, where 4p1 is (usually) a specialised kind of rat and push is a specialised kind of teamfight. But idk, really. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:56 BurningSera wrote: I think it is selling at skyrocket speed because of the immortal stretch goal lol. it will slow down quite a bit after that i am guessing. I would say the opposite, actually. People will see the items, and they'll buy more points to get more of the items. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:56 BurningSera wrote: I think it is selling at skyrocket speed because of the immortal stretch goal lol. it will slow down quite a bit after that i am guessing. It might skyrocket again if the immortal items turn out to be good | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:57 Belisarius wrote: 4p1 is (usually) a specialised kind of rat and push is a specialised kind of teamfight. That's not really right. 4-protects-1 has variation within other types of teamcomps. Teamfight 4-protects-1 is honestly more common than split-pushing, split-push/map control teamcomps are a lot of times better for developing multiple cores. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
I feel like there is a kind of rock-paper-scissors thing somewhere in there though, whatever the definitions are. | ||
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