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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
April 29 2014 15:59 GMT
#104981
Yeah. If dodging all opponents that you know are good isn't abusing then what is abusing?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 16:01 GMT
#104982
On April 30 2014 00:59 Chewbacca. wrote:
Yeah. If dodging all opponents that you know are good isn't abusing then what is abusing?

Well, abusing is deliberately planting opponents who lose intentionally.

But dodging infinitely is also definitely abusing.
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Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
April 29 2014 16:02 GMT
#104983
who the fuck cares
like seriously
u gotta farm
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
April 29 2014 16:02 GMT
#104984
On April 30 2014 00:59 Chewbacca. wrote:
Yeah. If dodging all opponents that you know are good isn't abusing then what is abusing?

Queuing into disproportionately bad opponents or someone you know? Abusing is gaming the system by trying to force it into setting up an unfair challenge, whereas dodging is simply refusing to take the challenge.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 29 2014 16:02 GMT
#104985
On April 29 2014 20:41 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 19:56 Erasme wrote:
On April 29 2014 09:25 iv~nk~j wrote:
Does someone know the dotabuff of this guy who is #1 in EU leaderboard? I tried to search simply "Montano" in dotabuff but couldn't really find anyone who seemed to be him

http://www.dota2.com/leaderboards/#europe

he dodges a lot of games


What do you mean? He sense a lose game and discon?

yes, whenever he sees a good player he just quit during the loading screen
annoying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
April 29 2014 16:03 GMT
#104986
I've been playing a lot of axe lately. How do you guys generally jungle him?

My strategy has been: 2 stouts and a tangoes. Farm Medium camp while getting large camp stacked 3x times. Ferry 2 potions out to take out the 3x large camp. Then rotate medium/large and start harassing lanes.

I end up lvl 5 around 6-7min depending on luck. If anyone can share some tips I would definitely appreciate it.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
April 29 2014 16:05 GMT
#104987
On April 30 2014 01:03 Hoban wrote:
I've been playing a lot of axe lately. How do you guys generally jungle him?

My strategy has been: 2 stouts and a tangoes. Farm Medium camp while getting large camp stacked 3x times. Ferry 2 potions out to take out the 3x large camp. Then rotate medium/large and start harassing lanes.


I do the same. No idea if its the most efficient though. Two stouts best!!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 16:07 GMT
#104988
I'm pretty sure stout + rop is better for the faster tranqs.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 29 2014 16:07 GMT
#104989
On April 30 2014 01:02 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 00:59 Chewbacca. wrote:
Yeah. If dodging all opponents that you know are good isn't abusing then what is abusing?

Queuing into disproportionately bad opponents or someone you know? Abusing is gaming the system by trying to force it into setting up an unfair challenge, whereas dodging is simply refusing to take the challenge.

That's one kind of abuse. Doesn't mean nothing else is a abuse. Abusing a loophole that gives you an advantage over other people is, well, abusing. And dodging is definatelly not something you are supposed to do, it messes with a fair MMR and the game would be terrible if everyone started dodging.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 29 2014 16:10 GMT
#104990
eventually that will probably get fixed
valve time
tm
soon
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
April 29 2014 16:10 GMT
#104991
On April 30 2014 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure stout + rop is better for the faster tranqs.


Do you even want tranquils on him anymore?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 16:12:29
April 29 2014 16:11 GMT
#104992
On April 30 2014 01:10 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure stout + rop is better for the faster tranqs.


Do you even want tranquils on him anymore?

Yeah u just drop them when ur hitting jungle creeps

I mean, they aren't as good as they once were but I'm pretty sure they are ur best bet for affordable regen and mobility.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 29 2014 16:11 GMT
#104993
On April 30 2014 01:03 Hoban wrote:
I've been playing a lot of axe lately. How do you guys generally jungle him?

My strategy has been: 2 stouts and a tangoes. Farm Medium camp while getting large camp stacked 3x times. Ferry 2 potions out to take out the 3x large camp. Then rotate medium/large and start harassing lanes.

I end up lvl 5 around 6-7min depending on luck. If anyone can share some tips I would definitely appreciate it.


I played a lot of jungle axe, let me share my thoughts. I start with stout+tango+armor ring. Look at medium camps and kill any but the centaur camp. Don't stack hard camp more than 2 times since you cannot clear them until you have levels. I stack first medium camp if I am unlucky. I go large camps after lvl3 if I see satrys and trolls. Centaur and ursas are too strong to handle early on. Rush tranquils asap and use the drop technique(drop before hitting and pickup after clearing the camp) to fast regen between camps.

Look for opportunities in easy lane and grab kills if any. I don't care ganking mid alone since towers are near and doesn't worth losing xp and gold most of the time. I go fast blink and start ganking. If the other team play defensively or lanes are pushed, continue jungling until you got your next hp or armor item(vitality or plate mail for me). From that point it depends on the game.
Have fun
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 29 2014 16:12 GMT
#104994
gotta have some game sense tho, once i saw an axe lose 3tranq boots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 16:14 GMT
#104995
On April 30 2014 01:12 Erasme wrote:
gotta have some game sense tho, once i saw an axe lose 3tranq boots

how do u not learn after the 2nd pair much less the first? o.O
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 16:15:00
April 29 2014 16:14 GMT
#104996
On April 30 2014 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean, they aren't as good as they once were but I'm pretty sure they are ur best bet for affordable regen and mobility.

If you get Brown Boots->Urn and can get those 2 initial charges off a gank, you're free to get Phase or Arcanes, but it's usually a lot better to get Tranquils and do the drop Tranquil jungling.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 29 2014 16:15 GMT
#104997
On April 30 2014 01:12 Erasme wrote:
gotta have some game sense tho, once i saw an axe lose 3tranq boots


I only lose one over 50 matches but yes. You can hide it around the camps or just drop under yourself to pickup faster. Against invis heroes, be cautious.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 16:18 GMT
#104998
Dropping items can be bullshit though since it doesn't actually go beneath you. I've dropped arcanes to use stick charges and my fucking boots teleported across a bunch of trees -_-
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 29 2014 16:22 GMT
#104999
Usually I end up getting Urn after Tranquil, so after I have charges I just pop one rather than dropping Tranquils if I feel unsafe.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 16:25:40
April 29 2014 16:25 GMT
#105000
PS axe jungle sucks go lane vs some melee noobs and make them cry

PPS I actually bought a vanguard on axe the other day, I feel mildly dirty.
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