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Rickeh TT
Profile Joined April 2012
13 Posts
April 08 2012 14:24 GMT
#7121
On April 08 2012 15:01 Whole wrote:
I don't watch pro games, but is Dazzle picked often? I never see him picked in TLIH (which is just an attempt to copy pro picks I assume?) so I was just curious. If he isn't picked often, why not?

This.I love playing with Dazzle and find it an awesome hero.Yet i never see him get picked in pro-games.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 14:49:38
April 08 2012 14:49 GMT
#7122
On April 08 2012 15:01 Whole wrote:
I don't watch pro games, but is Dazzle picked often? I never see him picked in TLIH (which is just an attempt to copy pro picks I assume?) so I was just curious. If he isn't picked often, why not?

Two things (there are probably others, but these are the ones that IMO stand out most):

1) As a support, Dazzle is fairly level-dependent. All 3 of his primary skills are somewhat lackluster on the early ranks. Most other supports generally possess skills that have much more of their strength centered around the lower ranks of the skills. If Dazzle gets fed (can pull creeps smoothly early game, gets early assist gold/XP), he will be a force in midgame teamfights, but if he gets underleveled, his skills tend to be quite underwhelming on lower ranks.

2) Dazzle is not strong in the two areas that are probably most reliable and versatile for a support: hard disables, and AoE. Virtually ALL of the common and more reliable support picks (e.g. Maiden, ES) possess both reliable disables and good AoE. While the other utility Dazzle provides can make up for this (Shallow Grave, Weave, etc.), these are ultimately much more situational--which means that while Dazzle can be strong, he's not a reliable, versatile pick--you want to pick him in situations specifically where his situational utility outweighs his lack of disables or AoE.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 14:54:11
April 08 2012 14:53 GMT
#7123
On April 08 2012 23:49 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 15:01 Whole wrote:
I don't watch pro games, but is Dazzle picked often? I never see him picked in TLIH (which is just an attempt to copy pro picks I assume?) so I was just curious. If he isn't picked often, why not?

Two things (there are probably others, but these are the ones that IMO stand out most):

1) As a support, Dazzle is fairly level-dependent. All 3 of his primary skills are somewhat lackluster on the early ranks. Most other supports generally possess skills that have much more of their strength centered around the lower ranks of the skills. If Dazzle gets fed (can pull creeps smoothly early game, gets early assist gold/XP), he will be a force in midgame teamfights, but if he gets underleveled, his skills tend to be quite underwhelming on lower ranks.

2) Dazzle is not strong in the two areas that are probably most reliable and versatile for a support: hard disables, and AoE. Virtually ALL of the common and more reliable support picks (e.g. Maiden, ES) possess both reliable disables and good AoE. While the other utility Dazzle provides can make up for this (Shallow Grave, Weave, etc.), these are ultimately much more situational--which means that while Dazzle can be strong, he's not a reliable, versatile pick--you want to pick him in situations specifically where his situational utility outweighs his lack of disables or AoE.

one more thing, it's implied in the above post, but his teamfight is pretty mediocre for the amount of levels he gets. and shallow grave remains a very situational spell in the very end despite a lot of praise for the skill
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 08 2012 15:27 GMT
#7124
Dendi's chats with Darer.G

Dendi: when im playing mm without friends/teammates, im losing 80% of my games.
Dendi: even losing 5v4 games.
Dendi: 5v3 too :D

seems like MM games are shitty on high level as well
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
April 08 2012 15:31 GMT
#7125
Not to blame dendi, but he most certainly doenst care about MM and throws games pretty often.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 16:07:33
April 08 2012 16:06 GMT
#7126
Listening to Death Prophet getting bloodstone is AMAZING
The voices are wonderful ahaha
Btw i'm building vanguard on every hero, is that a bad thing ? <_<
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 08 2012 16:09 GMT
#7127
On April 09 2012 01:06 Erasme wrote:
Listening to Death Prophet getting bloodstone is AMAZING
The voices are wonderful ahaha
Btw i'm building vanguard on every hero, is that a bad thing ? <_<

i think so <_<

its not necessary for 80% of heroes.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 08 2012 16:10 GMT
#7128
Thats a bad thing, but its a pretty good way to not die as a noob i guess haha.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
April 08 2012 16:10 GMT
#7129
you should build MoM instead of vanguard
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 08 2012 16:13 GMT
#7130
On April 09 2012 01:06 Erasme wrote:
Listening to Death Prophet getting bloodstone is AMAZING
The voices are wonderful ahaha
Btw i'm building vanguard on every hero, is that a bad thing ? <_<


Yes that's a bad thing . If you want some survivability build drums of endurance.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 08 2012 16:17 GMT
#7131
On April 09 2012 00:27 dragonborn wrote:
Dendi's chats with Darer.G

Dendi: when im playing mm without friends/teammates, im losing 80% of my games.
Dendi: even losing 5v4 games.
Dendi: 5v3 too :D

seems like MM games are shitty on high level as well

well he doesnt take it that seriously at times, and a lot of players may not take it that seriously either.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 08 2012 17:13 GMT
#7132
http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/596-starladder

Darer vs that Hon team
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 08 2012 17:14 GMT
#7133
On April 09 2012 02:13 Yoshi- wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/596-starladder

Darer vs that Hon team

h4nni decided to play o_O. news to me.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 08 2012 17:15 GMT
#7134
Yea seems that the decided to also switch.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 17:16:51
April 08 2012 17:16 GMT
#7135
God storm spirit stomp incoming
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
April 08 2012 17:25 GMT
#7136
N0tail isn't playing Shadow Shaman? Shows how much I know about the current HoN scene.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 08 2012 17:27 GMT
#7137
sometimes i wonder how artstyle and dread ended up on the same team again.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 17:34:07
April 08 2012 17:33 GMT
#7138
weird picks/strategy by darer. level 1 lich is going to hurt them later and they arent doing anything to antimage

edit:
oh hmm... he's stacking nevermind
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 08 2012 17:34 GMT
#7139
The game will never reach the stage where am will be useful
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
April 08 2012 17:39 GMT
#7140
On April 09 2012 02:14 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 02:13 Yoshi- wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/596-starladder

Darer vs that Hon team

h4nni decided to play o_O. news to me.


He played yesterday versus mtw also. He was a Chen and he failed more or less. Also, his name was "FnaticRC. HON TRASH"

I don't like H4nni anymore.
super gg
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