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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 02 2013 17:19 GMT
#64661
On July 03 2013 02:18 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 23:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
On July 02 2013 23:36 Grettin wrote:
On July 02 2013 23:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Now seems like a crummy time to take a 6-week Dota break


Question is, why the break?

And if you say "i've played too much lately", i'm gonna slap you!

Vacation and travel. I'm quite fortunate but it's kinda at a bad time in terms of dota lol. Skipping the month in between the Qualifiers and now woulda been a bit better from that perspective

On July 02 2013 23:36 ImpromptuGangbang wrote:
So we need to w8 for TI3 for the whole Anti Antimage posting or can we start now?

Antimage is awesome. Kinda sad he won't get any buffs pre-TI3 since it means we won't see that much of him at TI3.

you don't think we'll see much am at ti3?

lol bro do u even am

Or watch Chinese doto
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
July 02 2013 17:20 GMT
#64662
You can see they were trying to make him "more similar" to his WC3 counterpart.
The set would be fine if the gems were red (maybe?) and helmet was different.
It's not THAT bad, the new Faceless Void set looks even uglier imho.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 02 2013 17:24 GMT
#64663
"Not top 25" is my guess, and I think I'm sticking with it.

Do you guys think that there will be another patch pre-TI3? I'm guessing 6.78c is the last simply because some teams are starting their bootcamps now and any more changes will basically result in poor preparation for TI3.

Tree was the only hero whose "pick priority" really changed from this patch, but his nerf hurts some other heroes as well (weaver, for example, seemed a lot stronger when combined with tree).
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 02 2013 17:25 GMT
#64664
On July 03 2013 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
"Not top 25" is my guess, and I think I'm sticking with it.

Do you guys think that there will be another patch pre-TI3? I'm guessing 6.78c is the last simply because some teams are starting their bootcamps now and any more changes will basically result in poor preparation for TI3.

Tree was the only hero whose "pick priority" really changed from this patch, but his nerf hurts some other heroes as well (weaver, for example, seemed a lot stronger when combined with tree).

Doubt it.
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SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
July 02 2013 17:28 GMT
#64665
So has anyone else noticed that the later into the night it gets, the larger the counterpicking happens? I swear during the day everyone randoms and at night everyone counterpicks like crazy!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 02 2013 17:31 GMT
#64666
AM is the most staple carry in Asia, we will see lots of it.
WriterXiao8~~
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 02 2013 17:39 GMT
#64667
On July 03 2013 02:31 Kipsate wrote:
AM is the most staple carry in Asia, we will see lots of it.

didnt alchemist top him recently ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 02 2013 17:40 GMT
#64668
On July 03 2013 02:39 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 02:31 Kipsate wrote:
AM is the most staple carry in Asia, we will see lots of it.

didnt alchemist top him recently ?

Alchemist is the strongest carry in the pool - but I think he fits a different role than AM does. AM can do some very special things. (not sure how I feel about the nerf on Alchy, but he's probably only a tiny little bit weaker).
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 17:48:11
July 02 2013 17:41 GMT
#64669
What do you mean with "strongest carry in the pool ?"
There are a lot of carries that can carry harder than Alchemist.

edit: Alchemist is kinda like AM. They don't have much carry potential, but their strenght comes from farming items faster than the opposing carry and having an item advantage.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 02 2013 18:02 GMT
#64670
On July 03 2013 02:41 BlitzerSC wrote:
What do you mean with "strongest carry in the pool ?"
There are a lot of carries that can carry harder than Alchemist.

edit: Alchemist is kinda like AM. They don't have much carry potential, but their strenght comes from farming items faster than the opposing carry and having an item advantage.

I mean, all things considered, Alchemist provides a huge variety of strengths in numerous ways in many phases of the game, and is generally very flexible in how he can be played. This is why he's more or less a T1 ban in the game. Yes, he can get out carried if the game goes long enough, but that's not what I mean by the strongest carry in the pool. Perhaps I should use the word "Best" carry in the pool.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 02 2013 18:10 GMT
#64671
I meant in the sense that, AM seems to be the pick most teams in Asia fall back on.
WriterXiao8~~
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 02 2013 18:12 GMT
#64672
On July 03 2013 03:10 Kipsate wrote:
I meant in the sense that, AM seems to be the pick most teams in Asia fall back on.

Hell, even a few Western teams do this.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
July 02 2013 18:14 GMT
#64673
alch is pretty strong at fighting early game unlike am. also requires much less space to farm.
ImpromptuGangbang
Profile Joined August 2012
Argentina102 Posts
July 02 2013 18:39 GMT
#64674
AM SD PL KOTL top picks and bans on TI3
Kill em all!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 02 2013 18:42 GMT
#64675
On July 03 2013 03:39 ImpromptuGangbang wrote:
AM SD PL KOTL top picks and bans on TI3

Only one that I see likely is SD out of those four. AM might be worth banning first against a few teams (LGD, DK, Mouz), but otherwise doubtful.
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ImpromptuGangbang
Profile Joined August 2012
Argentina102 Posts
July 02 2013 18:56 GMT
#64676
I would cancer lancer if I were playing for 1 millon usd.
Kill em all!
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3459 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 18:57:43
July 02 2013 18:56 GMT
#64677
In the position 1 carry pool of TI3, I think we would get something like Gyro > Spec = Alch ( 1 position here, Alch gets pick a lot but more in the 2 position) > Weaver = AM > Morph,PL,LD ...
Thinking AM won't be even in top 25 is ridiculous actually. From my observation teams are running 40% tri-core, 40% dual core & 1 out of 5 games 4-protect-1. And AM is still like 3rd popular in the 4-protect-1. Thus just say teams play a 4-protect-1 out of 5 games, and Gyro usually get more hate, we are left with a lot of AM.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 02 2013 19:13 GMT
#64678
Are we talking pick rate or ban+pick?
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 02 2013 19:13 GMT
#64679
Alch is pretty overrated
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 02 2013 19:14 GMT
#64680
On July 03 2013 04:13 TheYango wrote:
Are we talking pick rate or ban+pick?

Seems like its gotten confused somewhere along the way - started off with ban + pick, then devolved into only pick.
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