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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
June 30 2013 14:58 GMT
#64401
This happens every time. Just don't judge player skill on item choices, that's dumb. They're either having fun, or just experimenting even if it it's dumb in theory.

You can make sub-optimal item choices and still dominate your games.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 30 2013 15:11 GMT
#64402
So do smeevil treats only drop in Comprendium?

I know player cards and the first treat drop for the first comprendium match.
But after that, can I just play regular matchmaking and get treats/cards?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
June 30 2013 15:18 GMT
#64403
On June 30 2013 23:37 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 23:11 Asha` wrote:
On June 30 2013 22:51 BurningSera wrote:
On June 30 2013 22:41 Mataza wrote:
If you play with a stout shield puck, then you are obviously comparably bad.
You might know more about item builds, but this guy with his bad items has roughly the same mmr as you.


Yes it's frustrating, but it can't be helped.


is a friend T_T what can i do when he invited me for 'fun'.

mebbe try not flaming at all when a friend invites you for fun haha =p


strangely if it was a stranger id just talk/flame less because i know it is pointless, i criticize more on people that i know, i know i am weird >_<


You sound like a joy to play with.
Brood War Forever / NA's premiere Shadow Shaman player / Courier Collector / Bot Game Champion / Highly amateur Mystical Ninja Goemon Speedrunner
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 15:24:11
June 30 2013 15:20 GMT
#64404
People you know are more likely to take constructive criticism the way its meant to be taken whereas strangers will just flip out at you.

communicating AT ALL in pubs can be a dangerous game lol. One time I was having a really rough game but this drow was carrying me, so I said "Thank god for Drow" and he flipped out at me cuz he thought I was being sarcastic lol
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
June 30 2013 15:54 GMT
#64405
6.78c

* Rage cooldown increased from 15 to 17 seconds
* Flamebreak cooldown increased from 11 to 14
* Tether movement bonus decreased from 20% to 17%
* Living Armor damage block instances from 7 to 4/5/6/7
* Chemical Rage bonus HP reduced from 300/600/900 to 250/500/750
* Gyrocopter attack range reduced from 375 to 365
* Team 2 now bans second instead of first in Ban Phase #2. (All other phases and orders are the same)
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 30 2013 15:56 GMT
#64406
On June 30 2013 23:54 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 22:41 Mataza wrote:
If you play with a stout shield puck, then you are obviously comparably bad.
You might know more about item builds, but this guy with his bad items has roughly the same mmr as you.


Yes it's frustrating, but it can't be helped.


http://www.twitch.tv/wagamamatv/b/423446351

Start watching from 4:32:21.
Those people are as good as Wagamama.

MMR working as intended.

Interesting. Watched only first 16 minutes.
Despite being muted Waga takes a lot of time to find flaws in his teammates and complain about them.
All the while he does his own mistakes, like accidentally stacking big neutral camps twice, hesitating to get a point in blood rage which is his best defense against harass and not participating in engagements even in 3v1 situation.
There is "playing safe" and there is "not even trying anymore" 8 minutes in.

Also how the hell are so many guys in 1 game muted? Are they packed together just like low priority queue?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
June 30 2013 15:56 GMT
#64407
finally some useful nerfs.
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
June 30 2013 16:06 GMT
#64408
On July 01 2013 00:56 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 23:54 BlitzerSC wrote:
On June 30 2013 22:41 Mataza wrote:
If you play with a stout shield puck, then you are obviously comparably bad.
You might know more about item builds, but this guy with his bad items has roughly the same mmr as you.


Yes it's frustrating, but it can't be helped.


http://www.twitch.tv/wagamamatv/b/423446351

Start watching from 4:32:21.
Those people are as good as Wagamama.

MMR working as intended.

Interesting. Watched only first 16 minutes.
Despite being muted Waga takes a lot of time to find flaws in his teammates and complain about them.
All the while he does his own mistakes, like accidentally stacking big neutral camps twice, hesitating to get a point in blood rage which is his best defense against harass and not participating in engagements even in 3v1 situation.
There is "playing safe" and there is "not even trying anymore" 8 minutes in.

Also how the hell are so many guys in 1 game muted? Are they packed together just like low priority queue?


It's called top level matchmaking. Everyone is muted and everyone reports everyone who says literally anything in chat out of spite due to being muted.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 16:16:05
June 30 2013 16:15 GMT
#64409
welp there goes the golden age of tree
No longer will I be able to 1vX on the offlane
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
miyuki
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland47 Posts
June 30 2013 16:22 GMT
#64410
On July 01 2013 01:06 Bash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 00:56 Mataza wrote:
On June 30 2013 23:54 BlitzerSC wrote:
On June 30 2013 22:41 Mataza wrote:
If you play with a stout shield puck, then you are obviously comparably bad.
You might know more about item builds, but this guy with his bad items has roughly the same mmr as you.


Yes it's frustrating, but it can't be helped.


http://www.twitch.tv/wagamamatv/b/423446351

Start watching from 4:32:21.
Those people are as good as Wagamama.

MMR working as intended.

Interesting. Watched only first 16 minutes.
Despite being muted Waga takes a lot of time to find flaws in his teammates and complain about them.
All the while he does his own mistakes, like accidentally stacking big neutral camps twice, hesitating to get a point in blood rage which is his best defense against harass and not participating in engagements even in 3v1 situation.
There is "playing safe" and there is "not even trying anymore" 8 minutes in.

Also how the hell are so many guys in 1 game muted? Are they packed together just like low priority queue?


It's called top level matchmaking. Everyone is muted and everyone reports everyone who says literally anything in chat out of spite due to being muted.


That's what is happening in all of the games I've experienced recently at least. 60% are muted and the rest are too afraid to talk.

But yay for the balance changes, looks good!
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
June 30 2013 16:23 GMT
#64411
These changes are pretty minor.
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
June 30 2013 16:26 GMT
#64412
On July 01 2013 01:23 Zealos wrote:
These changes are pretty minor.


Absolutely not. The nerf to Treant is major in the earlygame, where he shines after all.
Rage nerf is good, still not enough imo. make it 20 seconds.
Flamebreak: meh.
Chemical rage is interesting. Alchemist was already declining in popularity. We might not see much more of him after this.
Tether is a nice change. Wisp is still useful, but probably wont be 1th pick 1th ban 90% of games now.
Gyro nerf: meh.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 30 2013 16:31 GMT
#64413
Alchemist isn't declining in popularity, I have seen him way too many times(equal to Gyro pretty much) and he is 100% pick/ban in Asia atleast.
WriterXiao8~~
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 30 2013 16:32 GMT
#64414
Treant gets the biggest nerf, imo. It mights be the end of competitive Treant, I think. The first levels of living armor are the most important ones.

I think the flamebreak and rage nerfs are pretty cool. The cooldown are so low, that they usually get used multiple times in a teamfight, and this should make these heroes just a tiny bit weaker in teamfights.

Tether movement speed doesn't change a thing, imo...

Alchemical rage nerf is pretty big, imo. 50/100/150 less hp is going to hurt Alchemist a lot. I don't know why he gets the nerf, too. I didn't think he was either picked very often, or had a very high winrate.

Gyro attack range nerf. Makes him a worse laner, why not, the hero was still strong.
super gg
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
June 30 2013 16:33 GMT
#64415
Goblak nerf. :"(
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
June 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#64416
General question: does anyone hate Shadowblade as much as I do recently. Almost every game there are at least 2 people on each side building a shadowblade in my games. Its annoying as fuck to always carry dusts (esp. since I always try to build some midgame items and dont have item slots free the whole game) while some dude on my team is rushing for a shadowblade himself with normal boots on a Tidehunter. :D
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 30 2013 16:40 GMT
#64417
On June 30 2013 23:37 BurningSera wrote:
strangely if it was a stranger id just talk/flame less because i know it is pointless, i criticize more on people that i know, i know i am weird >_<

I don't think that's weird.

Why would I care that someone I don't know makes mistakes? I'd care more about mistakes made someone I actually have expectations from.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 16:46:10
June 30 2013 16:42 GMT
#64418
On July 01 2013 01:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 23:37 BurningSera wrote:
strangely if it was a stranger id just talk/flame less because i know it is pointless, i criticize more on people that i know, i know i am weird >_<

I don't think that's weird.

Why would I care that someone I don't know makes mistakes? I'd care more about mistakes made someone I actually have expectations from.


I just presume people are less hostile to people they know, or at least more constructive than with strangers. I think it's weird that you'd flame a friend to the extent that you get muted, but I can understand people venting when playing with randoms.

---

Jonathan Berg ‏@LodaBerg 1m
Sometimes it just sucks to pracc 1v1 vs s4...

s4 too strong
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
June 30 2013 17:48 GMT
#64419
On July 01 2013 01:31 Kipsate wrote:
Alchemist isn't declining in popularity, I have seen him way too many times(equal to Gyro pretty much) and he is 100% pick/ban in Asia atleast.


Gyro has been declining in popularity as well. Not much, for both of them, but 100% to 90% is still a decline
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 18:58:32
June 30 2013 17:52 GMT
#64420
On July 01 2013 01:42 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 01:40 TheYango wrote:
On June 30 2013 23:37 BurningSera wrote:
strangely if it was a stranger id just talk/flame less because i know it is pointless, i criticize more on people that i know, i know i am weird >_<

I don't think that's weird.

Why would I care that someone I don't know makes mistakes? I'd care more about mistakes made someone I actually have expectations from.


I just presume people are less hostile to people they know, or at least more constructive than with strangers. I think it's weird that you'd flame a friend to the extent that you get muted, but I can understand people venting when playing with randoms.

---

Jonathan Berg ‏@LodaBerg 1m
Sometimes it just sucks to pracc 1v1 vs s4...

s4 too strong


well maybe the 'friend' that i 'criticized' get mad and told the randomers in the game to report this guy. He said he didnt report me, who knows. Only 2 reports from two separate games are needed to put someone into mute (according some reddit guy), i dont even talk in game nowadays but when I talked the words will be harsh.

This is my 3rd mute after the mute system implemented for awhile and my 2nd mute was just last week, that says something about me. I tend to queue with my 'skilled friends' but i sometimes queue with my 'long time friends but haven't played together for a long time so lets play' friends.

Again i dont mind win or lose, but dota2 MM made you played against stronk players when you queue with 'casual' friends, what do when i rage at that.

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