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On March 16 2013 07:55 snarl wrote:
sc2 has passed bigpoint now(tobis stream at least), jumped the gun a bit there
they are both at ~50k now neither streams showing games now. I'm including all bigpoint streams, no reason to only include tobi..
and even if MLG passes (which it should) we're comparing a small $1500 online cup to a major north american lan event right after the expansion release. They aren't even comparable at all. I haven't been following SC2 for awhile, I'm just curious what happened. Did SC2 drop off or is Dota 2 growing insanely fast? Or, both?
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On March 16 2013 07:55 kollin wrote:
It's not prime time for Americans yet, and it's getting late for Europeans. On top of that, I'm not even sure if the games have started yet. Don't wave viewership numbers around when since HotS release Starcraft 2 has been consistently higher than Dota 2, solely with player streams.
except thats not true. DotA2 has consistently outstripped SC2.
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Except Bigpoint has been streaming for a lot longer than MLG, who literally just started. Please stop heralding the end, because I know exactly how much Starcraft 2 viewership (through teamliquid) has decreased last year, and it's nothing to worry about.
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53k for both MLG streams on TL, 44k on both bigpoint streams on TL
chill out
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On March 16 2013 07:57 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:55 kollin wrote:
It's not prime time for Americans yet, and it's getting late for Europeans. On top of that, I'm not even sure if the games have started yet. Don't wave viewership numbers around when since HotS release Starcraft 2 has been consistently higher than Dota 2, solely with player streams. except thats not true. DotA2 has consistently outstripped SC2.
Except multiple Starcraft 2 players (3 I believe) hit 10k viewers more than once since HotS release, 3 days ago. In that time, Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 have stayed pretty even in overall viewership.
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On March 16 2013 07:59 kollin wrote:
Except Bigpoint has been streaming for a lot longer than MLG, who literally just started. Please stop heralding the end, because I know exactly how much Starcraft 2 viewership (through teamliquid) has decreased last year, and it's nothing to worry about.
i'm not heralding the end.
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That was directed at crms, and people who are being ridiculously pessimistic in general.
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On March 16 2013 08:00 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:57 Shaella wrote:On March 16 2013 07:55 kollin wrote:
It's not prime time for Americans yet, and it's getting late for Europeans. On top of that, I'm not even sure if the games have started yet. Don't wave viewership numbers around when since HotS release Starcraft 2 has been consistently higher than Dota 2, solely with player streams. except thats not true. DotA2 has consistently outstripped SC2. Except multiple Starcraft 2 players (3 I believe) hit 10k viewers more than once since HotS release, 3 days ago. In that time, Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 have stayed pretty even in overall viewership.
http://blog.twitch.tv/2013/03/top-twitch-games-for-february-2013/
I'd be pretty surprised if HotS was able to beat DotA2 in march
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On March 16 2013 07:56 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:55 snarl wrote:
sc2 has passed bigpoint now(tobis stream at least), jumped the gun a bit there they are both at ~50k now neither streams showing games now. I'm including all bigpoint streams, no reason to only include tobi.. and even if MLG passes (which it should) we're comparing a small $1500 online cup to a major north american lan event right after the expansion release. They aren't even comparable at all. I haven't been following SC2 for awhile, I'm just curious what happened. Did SC2 drop off or is Dota 2 growing insanely fast? Or, both?
maybe more people are enjoying their first weekend after release playing the game instead...idk either way nothing to worry about
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No need to compete (have a pissing contest) over viewership.
I don't know why some Dota players care so much about attracting a wider playerbase. Dota has been played competitively (granted not on a large scale) for 10 years now, and is played globally by millions. I don't think there's a worry of the scene dissolving anytime soon.
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On March 16 2013 08:03 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 08:00 kollin wrote:On March 16 2013 07:57 Shaella wrote:On March 16 2013 07:55 kollin wrote:
It's not prime time for Americans yet, and it's getting late for Europeans. On top of that, I'm not even sure if the games have started yet. Don't wave viewership numbers around when since HotS release Starcraft 2 has been consistently higher than Dota 2, solely with player streams. except thats not true. DotA2 has consistently outstripped SC2. Except multiple Starcraft 2 players (3 I believe) hit 10k viewers more than once since HotS release, 3 days ago. In that time, Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 have stayed pretty even in overall viewership. http://blog.twitch.tv/2013/03/top-twitch-games-for-february-2013/I'd be pretty surprised if HotS was able to beat DotA2 in march
Why would you link February statistics when I'm talking about the last week >.>
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On March 16 2013 08:00 snarl wrote:
53k for both MLG streams on TL, 44k on both bigpoint streams on TL
chill out
because the events are total comparable, right? The fact that they are so close is telling. I'm not even sure what you're trying to prove. I'm asking about current SC2 community growth/decline. MLG *should* crush big points online cup for $1500 unless SC2 has had significant decline or dota 2 has had exponential growth. Perhaps both has occurred. I haven't followed SC2 for some time but I did buy HOTS for the campaign. I am in no way saying SC2 is dead or the end is nigh. You can't compare viewership cross game to prove sustainability. If 60k is more than enough for SC2 to continue and grow then it's perfectly fine for them. I personally found the viewership shocking as someone who hasn't watched SC2 in some time.
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But...the tournament hasn't even started yet in terms of games...
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While we are talking about SC2 a little, holy shit i miss Dota LR threads already.. This is the first time i'm reading SC2 one for a long time and oh boy..
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On March 16 2013 08:04 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 08:03 Shaella wrote:On March 16 2013 08:00 kollin wrote:On March 16 2013 07:57 Shaella wrote:On March 16 2013 07:55 kollin wrote:
It's not prime time for Americans yet, and it's getting late for Europeans. On top of that, I'm not even sure if the games have started yet. Don't wave viewership numbers around when since HotS release Starcraft 2 has been consistently higher than Dota 2, solely with player streams. except thats not true. DotA2 has consistently outstripped SC2. Except multiple Starcraft 2 players (3 I believe) hit 10k viewers more than once since HotS release, 3 days ago. In that time, Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 have stayed pretty even in overall viewership. http://blog.twitch.tv/2013/03/top-twitch-games-for-february-2013/I'd be pretty surprised if HotS was able to beat DotA2 in march Why would you link February statistics when I'm talking about the last week >.>
cause we don't have march stats yet...
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On March 16 2013 08:11 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 08:04 kollin wrote:On March 16 2013 08:03 Shaella wrote:On March 16 2013 08:00 kollin wrote:On March 16 2013 07:57 Shaella wrote:On March 16 2013 07:55 kollin wrote:
It's not prime time for Americans yet, and it's getting late for Europeans. On top of that, I'm not even sure if the games have started yet. Don't wave viewership numbers around when since HotS release Starcraft 2 has been consistently higher than Dota 2, solely with player streams. except thats not true. DotA2 has consistently outstripped SC2. Except multiple Starcraft 2 players (3 I believe) hit 10k viewers more than once since HotS release, 3 days ago. In that time, Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 have stayed pretty even in overall viewership. http://blog.twitch.tv/2013/03/top-twitch-games-for-february-2013/I'd be pretty surprised if HotS was able to beat DotA2 in march Why would you link February statistics when I'm talking about the last week >.> cause we don't have march stats yet...
But using the power of observation we can see that in the last week, despite no significant tournaments at all being on, Starcraft 2 was even or ahead of Dota 2 most of the time. Also, the march stats would probably be skewed anyway due to the HotS launch party, unless Dota 2 has an event that keeps the viewership between 60 and 100k for 24 hours.
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Honestly...who cares? I mean, if we're gonna argue useless statistics, let's at least argue on Dota 2 vs LoL, the superior MOBA ~
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the defensiveness and lack of reasonable discussion (or arguments) shows me more than any answer to my inquiries could have told me.
moving on.
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