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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 14 2013 10:33 GMT
#47561
Nobody will be confused when it drops on the ground now
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 14 2013 10:49 GMT
#47562
Groups out for WePlay tournament: http://weplay.in.ua/en/tournament/grid/277

Predictions?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 14 2013 10:53 GMT
#47563
My predictions would be:
+ Show Spoiler +

Group A = Na'Vi
Group B= Empire
Group C= VP
Group D= Fnatic
Group E= nth
Group F= Liquid
Group G=Dignitas
Group H= EG

As far as who will come out on top for each group.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 14 2013 10:57 GMT
#47564
But if NaVi goes to china and drops the EU/NA ralated tournamets they cant win.
Or am I missing something?
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 14 2013 11:03 GMT
#47565
On March 14 2013 19:57 Slomo wrote:
But if NaVi goes to china and drops the EU/NA ralated tournamets they cant win.
Or am I missing something?

Good question. I don't think anyone really knows when navi is going where.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 11:15:52
March 14 2013 11:15 GMT
#47566
That depends on if Na'vi plays it before they leave, or after. They'll obviously be DQ'd if they aren't there.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 14 2013 11:24 GMT
#47567
On March 14 2013 19:09 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 18:55 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:34 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
The main problem with Zeus (IMO) is that he doesn't fit into any lane. He obviously can't play offlane, he can't support and he's a terrible mid. That leaves you with 1 position or some sort of dual lane mid or something.

Actually, Warlock/Zeus dual lane mid could work. Maybe. That sounds really fun. I highly doubt it would work competitively but I'd love to see it tried.

Mouz picked him a couple of times in matches and fata said he thinks that people still underrate him.

How did they run him?

You can watch the games here: http://dota-academy.com/hero/41/

I watched Mouz vs. Fnatic (only game with two top teams) and it didn't really change my thoughts on his mid viability. It was practically a three man mid; the supports were protecting Zeus considerably more than Lifestealer. Zeus STILL managed to die to both gank attempts despite having at least two people supporting him during both of them, and that was against a relatively weak laner in Storm.

I feel like Fnatic's line up just wasn't built to punish the Zeus pick. Which is, of course, why he was picked, so that just says he's a situational pick like Meepo. However, I also feel like Fnatic executed poorly. If Zeus mid means the supports have to babysit him hardcore that should allow you to dominate the rest of the map, which they did not do.


/thoughts of bad Dota player on pro play which are probably 98% wrong
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
March 14 2013 11:42 GMT
#47568
Personally I feel zeus still needs a small buff, perhaps moving his ult to lvl 5 would do the trick without being too gamebreaking
...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#47569
So 6.77c should be coming soon with some changes from 6.78. My guess is that 6.77c will have reworks to the unreleased heroes that will get ported to Dota 2 and the real balance will be in 6.78. It could also be a reason why new heroes haven't been released in quite a while. Fingers closed for multiple heroes next patch.
super gg
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
March 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#47570
At what time do I pull the radiant hard camp?
I've tried to do it on the Hellbears thing and it just doesn't work for me.
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
March 14 2013 11:47 GMT
#47571
On March 14 2013 19:53 Unleashing wrote:
My predictions would be:
+ Show Spoiler +

Group A = Na'Vi
Group B= Empire
Group C= VP
Group D= Fnatic
Group E= nth
Group F= Liquid
Group G=Dignitas
Group H= EG

As far as who will come out on top for each group.


Simply mind blowing predictions.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 14 2013 11:48 GMT
#47572
The Retry: the most overused name in dota history yet?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
March 14 2013 11:55 GMT
#47573
On March 14 2013 20:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 19:09 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:55 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:34 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
The main problem with Zeus (IMO) is that he doesn't fit into any lane. He obviously can't play offlane, he can't support and he's a terrible mid. That leaves you with 1 position or some sort of dual lane mid or something.

Actually, Warlock/Zeus dual lane mid could work. Maybe. That sounds really fun. I highly doubt it would work competitively but I'd love to see it tried.

Mouz picked him a couple of times in matches and fata said he thinks that people still underrate him.

How did they run him?

You can watch the games here: http://dota-academy.com/hero/41/

If Zeus mid means the supports have to babysit him hardcore

I don't think it means that. He's not easier to gank than many other common mid heroes, besides even a hero that is comparatively hard to gank will die to a well executed smoke gank.
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 12:08:23
March 14 2013 12:07 GMT
#47574
On March 14 2013 20:45 RageBot wrote:
At what time do I pull the radiant hard camp?
I've tried to do it on the Hellbears thing and it just doesn't work for me.


Is it possible since they patched it? Or if you mean for stacking, 53-54
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 14 2013 12:11 GMT
#47575
On March 14 2013 20:55 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 20:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 19:09 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:55 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:34 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
The main problem with Zeus (IMO) is that he doesn't fit into any lane. He obviously can't play offlane, he can't support and he's a terrible mid. That leaves you with 1 position or some sort of dual lane mid or something.

Actually, Warlock/Zeus dual lane mid could work. Maybe. That sounds really fun. I highly doubt it would work competitively but I'd love to see it tried.

Mouz picked him a couple of times in matches and fata said he thinks that people still underrate him.

How did they run him?

You can watch the games here: http://dota-academy.com/hero/41/

If Zeus mid means the supports have to babysit him hardcore

I don't think it means that. He's not easier to gank than many other common mid heroes, besides even a hero that is comparatively hard to gank will die to a well executed smoke gank.

Well, that's how they had to play it against Storm, not known for his laning, and, as I said, Zeus died anyway.

Which common mid heroes are even close to as easy to gank as Zeus? Gyro is the only one I can think of really, but at least he demolishes anyone who shows up without creeps.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13086 Posts
March 14 2013 12:17 GMT
#47576
Hey guys what do you think about Dota2clan offering every possible item and sets for "free" ?

Those are just mods that you can see but im not sure if its legal or not virus infested. Anyone got some experience with it ?
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 12:27:14
March 14 2013 12:23 GMT
#47577
On March 14 2013 21:11 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 20:55 maru~ wrote:
On March 14 2013 20:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 19:09 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:55 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:34 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
The main problem with Zeus (IMO) is that he doesn't fit into any lane. He obviously can't play offlane, he can't support and he's a terrible mid. That leaves you with 1 position or some sort of dual lane mid or something.

Actually, Warlock/Zeus dual lane mid could work. Maybe. That sounds really fun. I highly doubt it would work competitively but I'd love to see it tried.

Mouz picked him a couple of times in matches and fata said he thinks that people still underrate him.

How did they run him?

You can watch the games here: http://dota-academy.com/hero/41/

If Zeus mid means the supports have to babysit him hardcore

I don't think it means that. He's not easier to gank than many other common mid heroes, besides even a hero that is comparatively hard to gank will die to a well executed smoke gank.

Well, that's how they had to play it against Storm, not known for his laning, and, as I said, Zeus died anyway.

Which common mid heroes are even close to as easy to gank as Zeus? Gyro is the only one I can think of really, but at least he demolishes anyone who shows up without creeps.

Storm for example. That said, heroes without some sort of escape mechanism or survivability sort of faded out, but as I said, you can easily kill heroes like TA, QoP, Bat etc. if you execute well.
At least Zeus can stay far away from the wave and still get lasthits.
Can't watch the vod in question atm, so it's hard to comment on that game.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
March 14 2013 12:30 GMT
#47578
On March 14 2013 21:17 SkelA wrote:
Hey guys what do you think about Dota2clan offering every possible item and sets for "free" ?

Those are just mods that you can see but im not sure if its legal or not virus infested. Anyone got some experience with it ?


I haven't seen this site or it on dota2 specifically but back with FFXI you could swap the .dat file's of item sets around to accomplish that exact thing (mind you you could also modify the models of those files to be easy to spot from a distance for certain enemies). These changes were only client side so whilst they weren't allowed exactly, you were the only one who could see them

Most people just used it so that it looked like they were wearing high level gear no matter what level or class they were, but some people (including myself) made models so that their character looked like other characters from games/anime/etc
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 14 2013 12:30 GMT
#47579
On March 14 2013 21:23 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 21:11 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 20:55 maru~ wrote:
On March 14 2013 20:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 19:09 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:55 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:34 SilverStar wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
The main problem with Zeus (IMO) is that he doesn't fit into any lane. He obviously can't play offlane, he can't support and he's a terrible mid. That leaves you with 1 position or some sort of dual lane mid or something.

Actually, Warlock/Zeus dual lane mid could work. Maybe. That sounds really fun. I highly doubt it would work competitively but I'd love to see it tried.

Mouz picked him a couple of times in matches and fata said he thinks that people still underrate him.

How did they run him?

You can watch the games here: http://dota-academy.com/hero/41/

If Zeus mid means the supports have to babysit him hardcore

I don't think it means that. He's not easier to gank than many other common mid heroes, besides even a hero that is comparatively hard to gank will die to a well executed smoke gank.

Well, that's how they had to play it against Storm, not known for his laning, and, as I said, Zeus died anyway.

Which common mid heroes are even close to as easy to gank as Zeus? Gyro is the only one I can think of really, but at least he demolishes anyone who shows up without creeps.

Storm for example. That said, heroes without some sort of escape mechanism or survivability sort of faded out, but as I said, you can easily kill heroes like TA, QoP, Bat etc. if you execute well.
At least Zeus can stay far away from the wave and still get lasthits.
Can't watch the vod in question atm, so it's hard to comment on that game.


Storm has a disable and a slow and at level 6 an escape. He is quite squishy but he's still considerably safer than Zeus.

Yes, you can kill all mids, but Zeus is pretty much a guaranteed kill every time you try if he's not with supports.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
March 14 2013 12:33 GMT
#47580
I'm sure that's what they said when they ganked Merlini

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