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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 10 2012 18:26 GMT
#24461
ah, im glad it isnt just me but rather that both of those heroes are just hard :p
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
October 10 2012 18:27 GMT
#24462
I guess it would look retarded if razor would swing his thing at the speed of 2000
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 10 2012 18:28 GMT
#24463
I can swing my thing pretty fast if you know what i mean.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
October 10 2012 18:29 GMT
#24464
On October 11 2012 03:28 PassiveAce wrote:
I can swing my thing pretty fast if you know what i mean.

Yeah, me too, especially with my new mousepad, feels like it's flyi- wait.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
October 10 2012 18:29 GMT
#24465
On October 11 2012 03:26 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 03:19 Qbek wrote:
RAzor is strange for most people coz he has no visual feedback of the projectile. It was much worse in wc3 but it still is confusing in dota2. Basically an invisible projectile with 2000 speed is launched but not shown, and it not always matches the whip. Since his starting damage isn't the greatest, it's somewhat difficult to get the feel of it

Huh, always wondered about that. The more you know...

But why doesn't Valve fix that? I mean, they made it so that every other attack animation (correct me if I'm wrong here) accurately represents when the damage is dealt. Is there a reason to single out Razor?

Because that's the way it was in Dota 1. The same reason why Lina/Zeus still have stupidly annoying animations :/
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
October 10 2012 18:31 GMT
#24466
On October 11 2012 03:26 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 03:19 Qbek wrote:
RAzor is strange for most people coz he has no visual feedback of the projectile. It was much worse in wc3 but it still is confusing in dota2. Basically an invisible projectile with 2000 speed is launched but not shown, and it not always matches the whip. Since his starting damage isn't the greatest, it's somewhat difficult to get the feel of it

Huh, always wondered about that. The more you know...

But why doesn't Valve fix that? I mean, they made it so that every other attack animation (correct me if I'm wrong here) accurately represents when the damage is dealt. Is there a reason to single out Razor?

The improvement between wc3 and dota2 is EXTREME. The old "Gilette" (his fun name) used to spit out a lightning that lasted a set amount of time. In melee range the lightning would last after the damage was dealt and on max range you'd have 0.2 seconds after the lightning disappeared before the hit. Also , BALANCE AROUND BEING TERRIBLE HURRR
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
October 10 2012 18:31 GMT
#24467
On October 11 2012 03:29 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 03:26 ChrisXIV wrote:
On October 11 2012 03:19 Qbek wrote:
RAzor is strange for most people coz he has no visual feedback of the projectile. It was much worse in wc3 but it still is confusing in dota2. Basically an invisible projectile with 2000 speed is launched but not shown, and it not always matches the whip. Since his starting damage isn't the greatest, it's somewhat difficult to get the feel of it

Huh, always wondered about that. The more you know...

But why doesn't Valve fix that? I mean, they made it so that every other attack animation (correct me if I'm wrong here) accurately represents when the damage is dealt. Is there a reason to single out Razor?

Because that's the way it was in Dota 1. The same reason why Lina/Zeus still have stupidly annoying animations :/

Can't remember but wasn't the problem with Lina/Zeus in Dota 1 that the moment the fired their projectiles was not really visible, just armwaving and projectile comes out, whereas now you can see them winding up and know exactly when it's coming?
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2012 18:31 GMT
#24468
Razor is singled out because it used to be a way of balancing him as he scaled very well at all stages of the game (insane early game nuke, ranged vanguard blocking full damage, etc.). I think this is why

Sidenote - I just made a brag thread. I forgot to search before making it, there wasn't one before, correct? If there was then oops. If there wasn't, there needed to be one.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 18:33:43
October 10 2012 18:32 GMT
#24469
ranged vanguard blocking full damage

wait what? thats a thing on razer?

also yeah, there is another brag thread called "when you feel like dendi" or something. I dont think we should have a dick stroking thread though, its just going to lead to one of those threads where people post about how awesome they are but never read any other posts.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
October 10 2012 18:33 GMT
#24470
On October 11 2012 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
ranged vanguard blocking full damage

wait what? thats a thing on razer?

I think in 2008
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 18:34:17
October 10 2012 18:33 GMT
#24471
Not really, razor is range and gains the same effect as every range hero
E: ahh i thought you mean atm.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 10 2012 18:34 GMT
#24472
I mean, does razer actually get full damage block from vanguard?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
October 10 2012 18:49 GMT
#24473
Not since they changed vanguard to block less on ranged heroes.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 18:59:13
October 10 2012 18:52 GMT
#24474
On October 11 2012 03:34 PassiveAce wrote:
I mean, does razer actually get full damage block from vanguard?

It wasn't Razor specific. He's talking about how prior to 6.65, Vanguard gave 40 block value to both melee and ranged, not just melee.

This was actually the era in which Vanguard was "good on everyone", and is arguably why there are still players who buy Vanguard on a lot of heroes the item is actually terrible on now. It used to be that good.
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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
October 10 2012 18:53 GMT
#24475
On October 11 2012 03:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 03:34 PassiveAce wrote:
I mean, does razer actually get full damage block from vanguard?

It wasn't Razor specific. He's talking about how prior to 6.65, Vanguard gave 70% block chance to both melee and ranged, not just melee.

This was actually the era in which Vanguard was "good on everyone", and is arguably why there are still players who buy Vanguard on a lot of heroes the item is actually terrible on now. It used to be that good.

Slight correction there, ranged gets 20 damage block instead of 40, while block chance stays at 70%.
=Þ
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#24476
Yeah, you're right. Fixed.

Dunno what I was thinking.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#24477
On October 11 2012 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
ranged vanguard blocking full damage

wait what? thats a thing on razer?

also yeah, there is another brag thread called "when you feel like dendi" or something. I dont think we should have a dick stroking thread though, its just going to lead to one of those threads where people post about how awesome they are but never read any other posts.


I'm a little meh on having another thread like that as well, anyone else have opinions? I don't like the idea of general turning into a series of 5-6 huge threads where people just list things and don't read other posts, the QQ one isn't great but it kind of serves a purpose in having a place you can publicly vent (which I think is more important than bragging).
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
October 10 2012 19:03 GMT
#24478
On October 11 2012 03:59 heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
ranged vanguard blocking full damage

wait what? thats a thing on razer?

also yeah, there is another brag thread called "when you feel like dendi" or something. I dont think we should have a dick stroking thread though, its just going to lead to one of those threads where people post about how awesome they are but never read any other posts.


I'm a little meh on having another thread like that as well, anyone else have opinions? I don't like the idea of general turning into a series of 5-6 huge threads where people just list things and don't read other posts, the QQ one isn't great but it kind of serves a purpose in having a place you can publicly vent (which I think is more important than bragging).

I agree, the brag thread is completely pointless. No one actually cares what others post, they just want to feel important.
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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
October 10 2012 19:03 GMT
#24479
On October 11 2012 03:59 heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
ranged vanguard blocking full damage

wait what? thats a thing on razer?

also yeah, there is another brag thread called "when you feel like dendi" or something. I dont think we should have a dick stroking thread though, its just going to lead to one of those threads where people post about how awesome they are but never read any other posts.


I'm a little meh on having another thread like that as well, anyone else have opinions? I don't like the idea of general turning into a series of 5-6 huge threads where people just list things and don't read other posts, the QQ one isn't great but it kind of serves a purpose in having a place you can publicly vent (which I think is more important than bragging).

I think brag threads never go down well... it'll just end up in back and forth flaming, sooner or later ending up in Godwin's Law.
=Þ
Wyk
Profile Joined March 2011
314 Posts
October 10 2012 19:07 GMT
#24480
On October 11 2012 00:46 Mithhaike wrote:
I apologize if this is not the right place to share this, but I just wanted to get it off my chest! This is why i play DOTA!

https://dotabuff.com/matches/48268889

I(Haike) was in MM with 1 friend(m2nub). He was testing the Shadowblade BH build. I wanted to try Alchemist. Our opponents were from the same clan, obviously on some form of communication skype or raidcall etc.
My team was pwned so hard, we were prepared to give up. The kill score was like 30-5 or something.Then one of them decided to taunt us thinking they won.

"remember my name" he said.
"noobs" he said.

That definitely gave us the kick to start playing with everything we've got.

Long story short, we defended with all we had, even lost both side lane barracks....but no! We didnt give up! Finally we had 1 single battle where we wiped them, and it was straight down the middle to throne.

YES! MY TEAM WON! hahaha. After a agonizing 1hour worth of game time, my team fking won! I cant believe it myself!

Morale of the story:-

Dont taunt people, especially before its really over(i define that as attacking the throne and its about to fall over)
There's always a chance to win if we dont give up.
Shadowblade Bounty Hunter is legit.(that BIG RED NUMBERS)
Alchemist is really overpowered of a hero.

This is the comeback story (lost early/mid game badly, lost both side towers) that keeps me playing DOTA.
I love this game

EDIT: Put in the right match ID

Moral of the story:
- pick 5 semi-carries / carries
- dont get smashed before 50 minutes
- ???
- win [...]
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