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Implenia
Austria3846 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:05 NB wrote: Mouz just won with bat+razor+alchemist.... i called it, razor is fucking imbalance now :O Razor is quite good, but I don't know if it would be classified as imbalance yet. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:09 TheEmulator wrote: Razor is quite good, but I don't know if it would be classified as imbalance yet. like seriously you need to play against him in lane. Use a single target hero and you are pretty much fucked everytime you try to cast a spell on him. Dmg drain and nuke are already good on that hero. the only shit thing on razor is the ulti and if you combine it with an armor reduction team (naga) and a physical nuker (alchemist)... shit got fucked up | ||
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TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:15 NB wrote: like seriously you need to play against him in lane. Use a single target hero and you are pretty much fucked everytime you try to cast a spell on him. Dmg drain and nuke are already good on that hero. the only shit thing on razor is the ulti and if you combine it with an armor reduction team (naga) and a physical nuker (alchemist)... shit got fucked up I guess you may be right, as I have not played against one since before the recent patch  | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Against a lineup with no single target spells Razor's changes are very minor, or lineups where the single target spells aren't the point. (Tidehunter for example, gush is a good spell but he can cast it on a hero with lower armor than Razor anyways and I don't really think people are picking him solely to gush Razor). Tide/Veno/Sylla/Leshrac/Furion, etc.. The vision on his drain is probably the most important thing added. The shitty thing on Razor besides his ult is his stat gain, it's pretty pathetic for an agility hero. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On October 10 2012 01:11 flamewheel wrote: Right off the bat I can tell you that Spiritbreaker doesn't have the highest combination since Night Stalker has the same base strength and more armor. Wait, no I lied. I'm blindly using Playdota, which still hasn't accounted for the fact that Spiritbreaker has base 29 now instead of 23. Sorry tired. This does make me wonder though how much EHP heroes have. Time to do some math. I think this was discussed before and the conclusion was the tankiest heroes are Tidehunter, Slardar, Spiritbreaker, and Nightstalker. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:33 Slardar wrote: I think this was discussed before and the conclusion was the tankiest heroes are Tidehunter, Slardar, Spiritbreaker, and Nightstalker. You missed a ridiculous number of pages. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:34 flamewheel wrote: You missed a ridiculous number of pages. Now that's the Flamewheel post I know and love! On a serious note - yeah I just saw it lol. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:30 Nevuk wrote: He needs the right lineup and to be picked against a certain lineup as well. Alchemist/Razor/Bat is a -armor aoe, aoe damage spam fest. Bat lets Razor stay in range of people who would otherwise just turn and run away, Alchemist and Bat are innately tanky and make for poor targets for many single target spells. Plasma field (i think it's field... they changed the name or something), firefly, acid spray can make a death field for even high hp heroes. Against a lineup with no single target spells Razor's changes are very minor, or lineups where the single target spells aren't the point. (Tidehunter for example, gush is a good spell but he can cast it on a hero with lower armor than Razor anyways and I don't really think people are picking him solely to gush Razor). Tide/Veno/Sylla/Leshrac/Furion, etc.. The vision on his drain is probably the most important thing added. The shitty thing on Razor besides his ult is his stat gain, it's pretty pathetic for an agility hero. I read that as "against a lineup you don't pick razor against, razor isn't that good." picking furion into Storm Tinker isn't very good of an idea either. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:44 Skullflower wrote: Holy fuck that was some ridiculous shit from Dendi :o ? | ||
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CptZouglou
France146 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
Armlet, MoM, Daedalus. Let Naga sleep the enemy fountain, port in with wisp --> RAMPAGE | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:12 crms wrote: alchemist farm rate is fucking retarded, I riced him good last night. 800gpm barely trying. What items does everyone go on him? I just played a game, ended up going for phase, vanguard, mjolnir, bkb, AC, then game ended. Is radiance still good on him? I kept seeing people go mjlonir instead of radiance after the patch. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:44 Skullflower wrote: Holy fuck that was some ridiculous shit from Dendi :o LR thread? posting it here make people confuse | ||
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Cool Cat
United States1644 Posts
Yeah I'm already confused. Isn't this the LR thread? | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 10 2012 04:58 hunts wrote: What items does everyone go on him? I just played a game, ended up going for phase, vanguard, mjolnir, bkb, AC, then game ended. Is radiance still good on him? I kept seeing people go mjlonir instead of radiance after the patch. it seems to depend on how free your farm actually is, he farms so ridiculously fast you can plan your path based on opponents and situation. I honestly think I'd skip vanguard on him at his point. He farms too quickly that you'll actually replace vanguard so quickly it's not worth the investment. Perhaps you can early vlads to pump up survivability and scale an item slot better into late game. I had free farm early last night in a game and only went 14-7 (was like 2-6 in the midgame) and still ended up with 800GPM. I didn't even get midas or radiance his farm is just too easy. I had really good free farm early, kind of terrible midgame because of bad team fights but closed out the game strong. I think if my midgame was smoother I could have cleared 900-1000GPM. It's really that fast. I ended up with a trollish build last night becasue game was easy. I just asked team to say items and bought what they said. Ended up with like, travels, vlads, bkb, daedalus, mjollnir and AC. | ||
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