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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On October 10 2012 02:12 flamewheel wrote: Rikimaru has 5.76 base. Sol Keeper, Goblin Techies, Ogre Magi, and Naga Siren all have higher base armor. My bad. Apparently a couple of thigns changed in the 5 or so years since I last dug really deep into hero stats. How long has Sand King now positive armor on lvl 1? I miss the old Dota Allstars tables. They were so complete and could be ordered by each individual stat. Fuck Pendragon and Riot. Also who the fuck is Sol keeper? It´s not Kotl, Shadowfiend or Treant, or anything else I can think of. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
[10:10] <@kupon3ss> this discussion in general [10:10] <@kupon3ss> is the best discussion ever [10:12] <@Heyoka> yeah this is pretty awesome [10:12] <@blahz0r> this flamewheel [10:12] <@blahz0r> magic reduction isnt an issue at level 1 unless you're like a certain hero [10:12] <@flamewheel> uh [10:12] <@flamewheel> rubick? [10:12] <@flamewheel> anti-mage? [10:12] <@flamewheel> certain heroes nigga [10:12] <@flamewheel> suck me [10:13] <@blahz0r> yep [10:13] <@flamewheel> CERTAIN HEROES [10:13] <@blahz0r> but still doesnt change much of anything [10:13] <@flamewheel> CERTAIN HEROES [10:14] <@kupon3ss> yo viper puj [10:14] <@kupon3ss> says hai [10:14] <@blahz0r> why would you pick up flesh heap at level 1 on pudge for 1v1 [10:14] <@kupon3ss> for magic resist [10:14] <@kupon3ss> obv [10:14] <@blahz0r> if you wanted to win [10:14] <@kupon3ss> and if u killed a guy [10:14] <@kupon3ss> u get more str [10:14] <@kupon3ss> so u can kill more guys [10:15] <@kupon3ss> yeah [10:15] <@kupon3ss> yoishi doesn't factor in animations [10:15] <@kupon3ss> ranged first hits [10:15] <@kupon3ss> or hp regen [10:15] <@kupon3ss> which is why [10:15] <@kupon3ss> the agi heroes in his list [10:15] <@flamewheel> his shit is [10:15] <@flamewheel> bad [10:16] <@kupon3ss> overperform [10:16] <@kupon3ss> to real world [10:16] <@flamewheel> base HP regen [10:16] <@flamewheel> pimportant [10:16] <@kupon3ss> base hp regen is super important [10:16] <@flamewheel> yes [10:16] <@flamewheel> i feel like correcting him but [10:16] <@kupon3ss> its also [10:16] <@flamewheel> i am too busy building out my own spreadsheet [10:16] <@kupon3ss> hp regen from strength [10:16] <@kupon3ss> lol real flamewheel [10:16] <@kupon3ss> just fucking test [10:17] <@kupon3ss> the top 10 or so heroes by hand ffs [10:17] <@kupon3ss> i guess that's the difference between an engineer and like [10:17] <@kupon3ss> math people [10:17] <@kupon3ss> an engineer would bs a spreadsheet to see what the top one are [10:17] <@kupon3ss> and then test them [10:17] <@kupon3ss> and a math person would like keep trying to perfect his simulations seems fairly relevant | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On October 10 2012 02:22 Erasme wrote: so now, its a math contest lmao I hate all of you guys. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 10 2012 02:34 gaymon wrote: well if there were 1000000 heroes and not 100 the mathematical approach would be infinite times better u'd still bs a spreadsheet and then test the top heroes by hand as an engineer, I don't see any difference | ||
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
On October 10 2012 02:20 Mataza wrote: My bad. Apparently a couple of thigns changed in the 5 or so years since I last dug really deep into hero stats. How long has Sand King now positive armor on lvl 1? I miss the old Dota Allstars tables. They were so complete and could be ordered by each individual stat. Fuck Pendragon and Riot. Also who the fuck is Sol keeper? It´s not Kotl, Shadowfiend or Treant, or anything else I can think of. Probably meant Soul keeper. A.k.a. Terrorblade | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I remember when I simulated fights between wc3 units to get an idea about cost effectiveness and softcounter properties. It´s just 1 line of math operations and numbers, I could do it in fucking google 5 years ago. Just troublesome to exchange all the parameters each calculation manually. You just can´t address for random hit damage that way. If you´re actually computing it, I expect some kickass graphs at least. Maybe even a "level 1 amove contest guide" | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 10 2012 02:54 Bash wrote: I like how my one-line question spawned all this. Is this what keeps Shikyo going? No. Shikyo would be trying to convince us that Nightstalker has more effective hitpoints than Spiritbreaker even though we know this isn't the case. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
E: was crap | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 10 2012 02:37 Kupon3ss wrote: u'd still bs a spreadsheet and then test the top heroes by hand as an engineer, I don't see any difference There is no difference. Doing a rough estimate to eliminate the candidates that will never make it makes far more sense | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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