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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
 Though i guess any sniper build is viable when you end up with 700 gpm on a sniper. people who don't get force staff just cry tears of blood because of shrapnel. | ||
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crayhasissues
United States682 Posts
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
On October 07 2012 13:21 frucisky wrote: VS has an agi growth of 2.8 now w a str of 2.3 per level. Does that make her more carry viable? How does this change affect anything? I know she can be played as a weak carry but now is she stronger? Not much. She still a support who can transition well to a semi carry if she has farm. Just like in Dota1. | ||
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CustomKal
Canada749 Posts
On October 07 2012 08:27 Nevuk wrote: This is pre-frozen throne, so it's not back a little while, it's back in like 2005 to Eul's final RoC dota version. (I've played it exactly once and it was years ago). I have realized that him being a high skill level could be entirely true but that the skill ceiling has been raised immensely in that time period and it's also been seven or eight years since he played. It is nice not to have to teach someone how to lasthit, the importance of towers, mana management, etc. but it's relative. He has some just strange weaknesses in his play like randomly buying a magic stick as a starting item or neglecting to buy wards/chicken as a support (in fairness he doesn't know the ward spots). I get the feeling he wasn't really a support player. He said he was primarily a jungler when I asked him and RoC era jungler apparently translates very differently. His laning phase is good for a player of his experience (ie he might die or give up first blood but I've never seen him just feed and typically he wins his lane). His teamfighting has also surprised me as it's always quite good unless he's on a new hero. It's knowing when to TP (not in the sense of TPing out of danger, despite not buying wards his map awareness is decent, but just if he should TP to defend that tower or help out in that fight. Not really something you can teach, I know), where to go to get farm as a carry, mid-game stuff that's the issue. He tends to fall further and further behind unless it's sort of a "win teamfight -> push throne" scenario at 30 minutes. A large weakness was that his understanding of a blink dagger is um... poor to say the least. Explaining how to use blink on a hero like ES might seem simple but saying just "you blink into the middle of their team and ult them" isn't accurate as then he saved his blink for teamfights and didn't know the range on it, didn't use it to chase or initiate with long range fissures, etc. He also seems to think we're really far behind a lot whenever he himself is doing poorly (or in one case as earthshaker actually doing well but not realizing he was). That's nothing to do with someone being a new player to me though, plenty of players seem to feel that way and at least he asks me if we're losing. The issue with older dota was a lot of things don't transition to the game that it is today. Jungling was uncommon, mid was not a solo lane (instead the short lane was), people didn't know what last hitting was for a long time, Blink dagger (although I believe not introduced till later) didn't have the 3 seconds on attack, wards were not used despite having no cd, and consumables didn't exit for quite a while. Most people were buying regen items like rings because they didn't understand the power of tangos etc. Also gg branches started to be a trend outside of pro matches REALLY late in dota, and was an easy way back the to spot a good player since they understood the importance of stats over static regen items like sobi mask, ring of regen and ring of bas. Honestly the game changed dramatically so rather than relate too much back, just draw on his experience with the game for its basics such as last hitting and map awareness rather than warding, support and such. He is still going to have to learn roles, items, heroes, it just takes time. RoC dota was incredibly imbalanced compared to what it is today so the game play really didn't have a steady style like it does now. Until he plays enough, he doesn't know the strength of all the heroes, what he can defend and what he can't, its simply feel. Also in the case of farming where he falls behind, it may be that he travels around too much when it is completely unneeded and thus falls behind in item progression and levels due to lack of being in a lane, or in successful ganks. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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Cool Cat
United States1644 Posts
On October 07 2012 16:49 hunts wrote: Doom is so much fun this patch. I've changed my build up, seems to be working decently. Been going phase/soul ring at the start, into quick AC, then bkb, domi/atanic, abyssal, been doing really well so far for the past few games. Any thoughts/suggestions on that style of build? I've been noticing that by trying to go midas on doom like I have been it delays him coming online by too much, to the point where other stronger late game heroes come online at about the same time and then just outcarry him. With this I've been coming online before the other teams carries and just stomping them severely delaying or preventing them from coming online. I don't understand your use of the terminology "coming online". Aren't you already online when you are playing the game? Even if you are playing against bots, you still have to be online and connected to the server don't you? I'm assuming that you aren't using hacks that cause other players to drop and then prevents them from coming back online... Your build does seem like a very strong way to play doom though. I think I'll try it out and post results. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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Cool Cat
United States1644 Posts
On October 07 2012 17:08 hunts wrote: Pardon me if I'm misusing the term, but a hero, mainly a carry coming online basically means when the hero has the items it needs to start making a difference in team fights, "carrying." for instance AM basically comes online once he has treads bfury and manta, morph once he has an Eblade or a linkins or manta if he went that route. Until a carry has the items to come online and make a difference in fights that hero is basically useless. Ah sorry, I had just never heard the term before. I'm trying your doom build next game! | ||
TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On October 07 2012 17:08 hunts wrote: Pardon me if I'm misusing the term, but a hero, mainly a carry coming online basically means when the hero has the items it needs to start making a difference in team fights, "carrying." for instance AM basically comes online once he has treads bfury and manta, morph once he has an Eblade or a linkins or manta if he went that route. Until a carry has the items to come online and make a difference in fights that hero is basically useless. makes sense | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
On October 07 2012 16:49 hunts wrote: Doom is so much fun this patch. I've changed my build up, seems to be working decently. Been going phase/soul ring at the start, into quick AC, then bkb, domi/atanic, abyssal, been doing really well so far for the past few games. Any thoughts/suggestions on that style of build? I've been noticing that by trying to go midas on doom like I have been it delays him coming online by too much, to the point where other stronger late game heroes come online at about the same time and then just outcarry him. With this I've been coming online before the other teams carries and just stomping them severely delaying or preventing them from coming online. That build is Awesome!!! I think it has a super fast~ and COOL! style, just like Scripted Connection⇒ (A) Also great pushing cabability with early ac! （≧∇≦）ъ ナイス！ I think you could use some manta style, though. Doom is already a pretty fearsome hero to see compared to weak phys burst carries like antimage and necrolyte, but wouldn't 3 dooms just freeze your opponents heart with sheer terror? Is what I feel . _ . no but in all seriousness that builds awful dooms not a dps carry and anyone who tells you otherwise is trolling you | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On October 07 2012 17:15 Cool Cat wrote: Ah sorry, I had just never heard the term before. I'm trying your doom build next game! GL! Most people probably wouldn't recommend a build like that for doom though TBH. Most seem to go with vanguard and radiance, and then AC or even shivas. | ||
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rob.au
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On October 07 2012 18:17 rob.au wrote: Is there a standard core that pro's build on viper? aui feels like treads/roa/mek/agha is good. That's what I read anyway :p lmao tube After watching demon's stream, you can clearly notice the cast animation nerf on am. Rly easy to sheep/stun him after tornado/eul | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On October 07 2012 18:17 rob.au wrote: Is there a standard core that pro's build on viper? Aghanim's and some mid-tier survivability item like Vanguard, Mek, Drums, etc... | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On October 07 2012 18:24 ChrisXIV wrote: Aghanim's and some mid-tier survivability item like Vanguard, Mek, Drums, etc... Not vanguard. Vanguard is not worth it on ranged heroes, at all. Grab a vit booster if it's the HP you're after. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On October 07 2012 18:27 Unleashing wrote: Not vanguard. Vanguard is not worth it on ranged heroes, at all. Grab a vit booster if it's the HP you're after. He asked about pros. Artstyle builds Vanguard. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On October 07 2012 18:34 LAN-f34r wrote: How long ago? Very long ago in July, Viper isn't really picked in competitive, but after the Vanguard nerf to 250 health so he must have thought it was still good enough. | ||
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