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I am sure that most don't know which spell magnus has in the second slot
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On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk.
You really should try to break the habit of calling spells QWER. It just sounds stupid and dumb.
"I totally Q'd that guy, but he E'd away before I could R!"
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I think its Empower
right?
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On October 06 2012 06:09 Yoshi- wrote:
I am sure that most don't know which spell magnus has in the second slot
Really? o.O Because when I play Magnus and level up the spell in the second slot I use the same hotkey I use to level every other spell in the second slot for every other hero ... So you kind of will know.
Unless you use legacy hotkeys, I got rid of those as soon as I figured out how to change them but even so I'd imagine you know the slots, especially if you click to level up... If you use legacy keys to level up as well it might be tougher
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On October 06 2012 06:11 Kipsate wrote:
I think its Empower
right?
correct! Funny part for me is I don't know which of skewer and shock wave are q and e, but I believe shockwave is q. Only reason i know empower is cause my friend DC'd and I had to use him lol.
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On October 06 2012 06:13 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:09 Yoshi- wrote:
I am sure that most don't know which spell magnus has in the second slot Really? o.O Because when I play Magnus and level up the spell in the second slot I use the same hotkey I use to level every other spell in the second slot for every other hero ... So you kind of will know. Unless you use legacy hotkeys, I got rid of those as soon as I figured out how to change them but even so I'd imagine you know the slots, especially if you click to level up... If you use legacy keys to level up as well it might be tougher
Notice how many "I"s you use? Not everything you do applies to how everyone else plays.
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Australia7069 Posts
On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills.
Maybe you'd know the names of skills better if you actually played the game instead of giving misinformed advice in this thread.
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From my extensive testing of magnus + Show Spoiler +, I think there is something wrong with the unit collision size or something, i fail to shove people out everytime T_T and somehow dota1's wave animation is more accurate. In short, dota2 magnus is not that awesome as i expected, hoping the wave animation to get better.
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On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills.
I use legacy and reading Q W E R is very annoying because I have to read further to realise what's the context, and only then realise what which skill is being talked about.
And before Dota 2 was released I've never ever seen a discussion where "I level my Q" or "I think his W and E" and the likes were present. It's probably simpler but it's too new and not universal.
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On October 06 2012 06:15 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills. Maybe you'd know the names of skills better if you actually played the game instead of giving misinformed advice in this thread.
I've played like 14 games today I think, I can't just play nonstop, it's not good for you. Need to take breaks, watch League of Legends, and need to practice snapping my fingers.
Don't worry I'll play again tomorrow.
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On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills.
I just looked up the first 3 guides on TL I could find, and none of them go QEQWEQWRQWE.
Proof:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370063
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369089
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367062
Going QWER is okay if everybody knows every single skill order for every hero, but that's not the case. Do you know what is meepo's W? Warlock's E? Dazzle's E?
I already explained the reason why it's been Shikyo vs the world in the last 10 pages. Except now it's about hotkeys instead of strategies:
On October 06 2012 04:07 Heh_ wrote:
I think the moral of the story is that if you say something and get flamed for the next 20 posts, stop arguing and apologize that you were wrong. Yes, everything is situational. But if you're discussing a situation that's virtually impossible to pull off, then stop discussing it.
Edit:On October 06 2012 06:17 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:15 Kiante wrote:On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills. Maybe you'd know the names of skills better if you actually played the game instead of giving misinformed advice in this thread. I've played like 14 games today I think, I can't just play nonstop, it's not good for you. Need to take breaks, watch League of Legends, and need to practice snapping my fingers. Don't worry I'll play again tomorrow.
And dotabuff tells me you played 6 games today. All PL. Won 2 and lost 4. And you've been getting diff/manta before radiance in almost all of your last 13 PL games, so I don't know why your words contradict your own actions..
https://dotabuff.com/players/86718741/matches
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Active skills are a bit easier, but passives as QWER can be really hard to remember. "Lifesteal", "Aura", "Spellshield", etc. is just so much easier, no risk on confusion and it isn't exactly hard, it's not like you need the correct name of everything.
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Here's another, when i say W in regards to shadow fiend.
Am i talking about necromastery or raze? Yea good luck figuring that out.
Let me even give some context "My W totally helped me kill the crystal maiden way faster"
Both can apply, necromastery could easily be the reason since it ups his auto attacks by a lot.
It could also be raze since bursting down a CM isn't hard with razes.
As already mentioned, you don't even have to use the full name of an ability.
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200 thousand people watching league season 2 finals dayum
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On October 06 2012 06:18 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills. I just looked up the first 3 guides on TL I could find, and none of them go QEQWEQWRQWE. Proof: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370063http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369089http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367062Going QWER is okay if everybody knows every single skill order for every hero, but that's not the case. Do you know what is meepo's W? Warlock's E? Dazzle's E? I already explained the reason why it's been Shikyo vs the world in the last 10 pages. Except now it's about hotkeys instead of strategies: Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 04:07 Heh_ wrote:
I think the moral of the story is that if you say something and get flamed for the next 20 posts, stop arguing and apologize that you were wrong. Yes, everything is situational. But if you're discussing a situation that's virtually impossible to pull off, then stop discussing it. Edit: Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:17 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 06:15 Kiante wrote:On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills. Maybe you'd know the names of skills better if you actually played the game instead of giving misinformed advice in this thread. I've played like 14 games today I think, I can't just play nonstop, it's not good for you. Need to take breaks, watch League of Legends, and need to practice snapping my fingers. Don't worry I'll play again tomorrow. And dotabuff tells me you played 6 games today. All PL. Won 2 and lost 4. And you've been getting diff/manta before radiance in almost all of your last 13 PL games, so I don't know why your words contradict your own actions.. https://dotabuff.com/players/86718741/matches
Well you don't need to remember them if its for leveling it, if it's W you just level the second skill.
Hey almost on-topic. Do people generally use their pinky finger for the A-key to amove and such? Because I hear many people say that it's awkward to use the A-key whereas it's incredibly comfortable for me, seeing as I rest my fingers on ASDF and it's really easy to just press A and use S for lasthitting with my ringfinger. So completely natural as well.
On October 06 2012 06:18 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills. I just looked up the first 3 guides on TL I could find, and none of them go QEQWEQWRQWE. Proof: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370063http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369089http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367062Going QWER is okay if everybody knows every single skill order for every hero, but that's not the case. Do you know what is meepo's W? Warlock's E? Dazzle's E? I already explained the reason why it's been Shikyo vs the world in the last 10 pages. Except now it's about hotkeys instead of strategies: Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 04:07 Heh_ wrote:
I think the moral of the story is that if you say something and get flamed for the next 20 posts, stop arguing and apologize that you were wrong. Yes, everything is situational. But if you're discussing a situation that's virtually impossible to pull off, then stop discussing it. Edit: Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:17 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 06:15 Kiante wrote:On October 06 2012 06:08 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 Unleashing wrote:On October 06 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:On October 06 2012 05:09 Unleashing wrote:
Phantom lancer is fun when fully farmed, honestly.
It's just such a bitch to get there. Spells for every hero are called Q W E and R to me, people actually want to use their actual names? Doppelwalk. No, because there are people who use custom keys and there are people who use legacy. They are not QWER unless you are invoker. And even then you can't just say QWER for invoker, what if i wanted to talk about coldsnap for invoker? Should i say D, F or Y? Let me take an example, how would people enjoy it if casters started saying "WOW LOOK AT THAT ENIGMA GETTING HIS R OFF ON 4 PEOPLE" It's fucking retarded to listen to. Same for reading. You don't even need the name, you can instead of saying sandstorm for sandking just say SKs invis. People will know what you mean. Even the people who use legacy should still know what I mean, though. That's the beauty of it... I can say "Magnus's W" and you know it's the skill in the second slot, no need to even know the skill's name. I don't even try to remember any skill names, just Q W E R. For Invoker you kind of have to say cold snap, however QQQ works if you want to go that route. He's kind of a unique hero. It's not really for commentating, more for being a "scientific" shorthand. For instance, a skillbuild QEQEQRQEESRSSSSRWWWW -> S is much easier to type completely like that than "Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Juxtapose, Spirit Lance, Phantom Edge", etc. However apart from leveling order I guess it's a bit awkward because DotA has too many secondary spells. Still it's good for talking about leveling skills. Maybe you'd know the names of skills better if you actually played the game instead of giving misinformed advice in this thread. I've played like 14 games today I think, I can't just play nonstop, it's not good for you. Need to take breaks, watch League of Legends, and need to practice snapping my fingers. Don't worry I'll play again tomorrow. And dotabuff tells me you played 6 games today. All PL. Won 2 and lost 4. And you've been getting diff/manta before radiance in almost all of your last 13 PL games, so I don't know why your words contradict your own actions.. https://dotabuff.com/players/86718741/matches
It doesn't count games vs bots, but it's only 11 games, I have no idea why I thought it was more >_<
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I deny with A so I have grown accustomed to it, I don't think about it.
On October 06 2012 06:22 FinestHour wrote:
200 thousand people watching league season 2 finals dayum
offtopic but its 550k people not including China or OGN broadcast, thats a lot of people.
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On October 06 2012 06:22 FinestHour wrote:
200 thousand people watching league season 2 finals dayum
pff watch some real esport
twitch.tv/thegdstudio
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On October 06 2012 06:29 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:22 FinestHour wrote:
200 thousand people watching league season 2 finals dayum pff watch some real esport twitch.tv/thegdstudio
train simulator ftw
on the other hand, 14-16 games a day is quite a lot.... each game is like 40 mins which could result 10-12 hours of gaming @_@..... I am doing it myself but i have experience in grinding games, definitely not recommend to any sort of newcomer @_@
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Lalalaland34505 Posts
Oh lawd shikyo got banned.
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my fingers are on shift, a, e, f, and space. Gotta be able to shift queue 
Speaking of, anyone else find that there is no need to hover over your ability hotkeys since the game command buttons are far more commonly used? items/shift/attack command/stop/hold.
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