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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On September 25 2012 17:36 LAN-f34r wrote: Long lane lich shouldn't get level 2. His purpose is to deny the enemy carry farm, not to win the lane. He can't do anything if they pull. You shouldn't be able to pull every creep wave, at least as sentinel. Even if you double stack pull, you annihilate the :13 wave and aggro on to another camp, but the :43 gets through unless your own wave dies at the perfect time. If he denies his own corresponding wave, yours will push and he'll get at least 3 creep. Also usually the carry will free farm a trilane vs a suicide solo while a support will be getting the pulling experience, so denying 1/4 of the creeps isn't a bad thing. The problem is you're left with 2 supports, lich, a mid and a carry, and even a lich with some farm doesn't bring a lot to the table. --- Some trilanes aren't meant to push, so one shouldn't automatically assume lich will lose towers. You have to look at the matchup before you decide to write it off. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On September 25 2012 19:32 Shikyo wrote: So how do I play Naga as a carry? o_O In solo pubs, assuming my teammates are generally pretty bad. I was thinking Aquila -> treads -> Linkens -> Manta -> Diffusal -> Heart or somesuch Right, a big problem with Lich offlane is that he basically helps the enemy team push so if they feel like it they can just pick up free towers. I'd get Diffu before the Manta diffu on melee illusion heroes is silly | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
had shitty start, was getting raped by undying/wr 20mins in, only had treads pms ring and broadsword. decided to get manta first to contribute to teamfights, but somehow my team held on (kotl es pl imba antipush) and i had like 8-10 (?) mins of free farm 30 mins in, i had bfury manta treads pms and 2k gold, solo pushed 2 towers (including a t3) and a melee rax 40 mins, get rapier and heart what da fuq i dont even | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On September 25 2012 19:32 Shikyo wrote: So how do I play Naga as a carry? o_O In solo pubs, assuming my teammates are generally pretty bad. I was thinking Aquila -> treads -> Linkens -> Manta -> Diffusal -> Heart or somesuch i tend to forgo treads and get either arcane or tranquil boots :o somehow they help you last in lane longer (equating to more farm). my build is to either go radiance first or heart first, depending on team and enemy composition.. i love going heart naga first though, makes her so unkillable rofl | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On September 25 2012 20:02 konadora wrote: lol wow it's ridiculous how quickly am can get up if he gets like 5-8 mins of free farm had shitty start, was getting raped by undying/wr 20mins in, only had treads pms ring and broadsword. decided to get manta first to contribute to teamfights, but somehow my team held on (kotl es pl imba antipush) and i had like 8-10 (?) mins of free farm 30 mins in, i had bfury manta treads pms and 2k gold, solo pushed 2 towers (including a t3) and a melee rax 40 mins, get rapier and heart what da fuq i dont even no fun etc | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
1. Is it possible to save replay in practice game / against bots? 2. Is it possible to pick the bots heroes? 3. Are there any game modes like dupe mode or so from WC3 Dota? 4. What are battle points and what they do they do? Is it just something to show how many games you've played? Yes, I played mostly against bots in WC3 (mainly because you know how pubs are on battle.net). Not sure if "pubs" are better in Dota2 or not (haven't started yet). Anyway, so far I like the addition of dialogue (between heroes) in the game. Makes the game more lively. Finally kudos to Valve or whoever for keeping bots up to date in Dota2 (I mean, unlike TF2 where the bots were kind of bare minimum and worked only on some maps). Personally I wouldn't mind a 1v1 mode where you control all 5 heroes at once, with each hero having a separate gold pool (to mimic regular team games, so no pooling all items on one hero). It would be fun. I really never liked team games where people blame each other all the time >.>. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
2. I don't think so but you can suggest 2 heroes to your bot team, but the bots can't play all heroes so if you suggest a hero they can't play they won't play it 3. There is only -wtf afaik, + the cheatcodes 4. You win battlepoints by winning matchmaking games. No use except gaining levels and winning one item/level. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 25 2012 20:49 Goldfish wrote: Thanks for the reply. Didn't know you get items on leveling (thought it was pay only). Nice. also get items randomly for playing as well obviously rares mythics ect much harder to find this way than trade/buying though. I like rad rush on naga, mostly because it's fun for me to farm jungle and a lane. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On September 25 2012 20:50 Dattish wrote: Levels also increase the chance of you getting a random item at the end of each game. are you sure? i haven't heard this at all. pretty sure levels are just a guaranteed item thing to complement the random drops you also get in game. | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On September 25 2012 19:32 Shikyo wrote: So how do I play Naga as a carry? o_O In solo pubs, assuming my teammates are generally pretty bad. I was thinking Aquila -> treads -> Linkens -> Manta -> Diffusal -> Heart or somesuch Aquila -> Tranquils -> Linkens is a solid build but might kick in too late, something like Aquila -> Treads -> Diffusal -> Manta has a quicker teamfight presence. It kind of boils down to the tempo of the game. @The whole "I have LoL experience but don't know what I should start with in DotA 2": my only real tip is to not ask DotA players about it. From helping lots of League players getting started with DotA I'd say the usual recommendations like Lich or SK are terrible. Lich doesn't teach mana management at all and someone who has played League on a high enough level (1800+) can comfortably dive into guys like AM or Mirana instead of one of the most boring heroes this game has to offer. What the DotA community loves to underestimate to hell and back is how many skills transfer easily. Whether you had good map awareness, last hitting skills or even proper understanding of positioning in teamfights, that's all stuff you just have to translate a bit and you'll be fine. Raw mechanical things like that don't get lost just because you switch games. The biggest gap in the beginning for someone like that is mostly all-around knowledge (who does what, cooldowns, items, day/night cycle, jungle, juking in general, TPs etc.). In comparison, treating someone who played Broodwar on a high level like someone who has never played an RTS before when you try to teach him SC2 is just plain dumb. There's just too many skills which transfer, especially when you stay in the same genre. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
everyone's gonna be around the same skill level after a couple games, so other than avoiding really hard heroes it doesn't really matter | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
We all know how easy they can be | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
A++++ would recommend again | ||
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