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Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 13:02:14
September 14 2012 13:00 GMT
#20641
Sing just confirmed on stream that CWM is making a new team and has been planning to leave for a while.

edit: Wrong thread kinda. God I do this a lot. Whatever I'll just leave it here.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
September 14 2012 13:02 GMT
#20642
On September 14 2012 22:00 Bash wrote:
Sing just confirmed on stream that CWM is making a new team and has been planning to leave for a while.

he actualy said he only heard rumors and isnt sure about anything, way to twist words...
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 14 2012 13:51 GMT
#20643
i know this is not dota 2, it's hon but it's so ridiculously funny i couldn't help it

just wanna share it with everybody ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 14 2012 13:54 GMT
#20644
>gets disrupted, with a SD+Lesh+Riki gank

>Sing's TA blinks away with a dagger that was JUST delivered to him

"That was FUCKING scary! (continue rant)"

god I've missed his stream

I'll get a TL fanclub up for him sometime soon
ffxiv enjoyer
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
September 14 2012 13:58 GMT
#20645
On September 14 2012 22:51 nayumi wrote:
i know this is not dota 2, it's hon but it's so ridiculously funny i couldn't help it

just wanna share it with everybody ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOiZ84COab8


tobis_latino_cousin_cast.avi
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 14 2012 14:19 GMT
#20646
The very first post of this thread specifies that you should keep out HoN and LoL. :/
+ i don't think that video was one bit funny.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 14 2012 14:24 GMT
#20647
First singsing game I've actually watched. Quite a fun guy to watch play, does crazy flashy stuff and hes commentary is just funny.

What announcer has he got? Its really good oO.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 14 2012 14:27 GMT
#20648
Juggernaut announcer pack I think.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 14 2012 14:28 GMT
#20649
Yeah it's jugger, has some really good lines, makes tower being attacked an epic event
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
September 14 2012 14:53 GMT
#20650
Why do people pick venomancer so much? He seems like a mediocre hero.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 14 2012 14:55 GMT
#20651
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325569

+ Show Spoiler +
Venomancer

Pros
Venomous Gale is the strongest slow in the game, and can hit multiple heroes, and has a range of 800, which is higher than most slows and stuns.
Combined with Gale, Poison Sting further slows heroes for no mana cost.
Both Venomous Gale and Poison Sting are incredibly effective at level 1, so there is no need to skill them up in many games.
Plague Wards is one of the best pushing and defending spells in the game.
Zero cast animation for all spells. (He does have a .51 second backswing after cast)
Has a great attack animation (.3 seconds front end is tied for lowest among the support heroes in Dota 2. Wisp is the only support hero with an even better animation, at .15). Poison Sting makes his attacks actually worthwhile, unlike most support heroes whose right clicks are negligible.
Relatively low mana requirements outside of Poison Nova.
Can farm up some support items quickly thanks to the added dps of plague wards.
Can contribute to early Roshan kills with maxed plague wards.

Cons
Venomous gale is very easy to miss for beginners.
Doesn’t have a disable or a way to stop tp’s.
Has problems using all his spells during the midgame, where 200 mana for poison nova is quite hefty.
Starts losing effectiveness if the opponents start finishing pipes, meks, and BKBs.
Requires a high APM in higher level play, for alternating between attack-walking and placing plague wards during and aiming spells during fights and chasing.

Comparison with Similar Heroes
Venomancer is generally considered the best overall support hero in the current meta-game. His two key spells are venomous gale, which is the best slow in the game, and plague wards, which both help push lanes and defend towers. He has a very high skillcap, due to the difficulty of landing good gales and the possibility of using plague wards to block juking paths.
When to Pick
Venomancer is almost always picked in competitive games because he fits in with almost any line-up. He is incredibly strong at level one, and is even better once he maxes out plague wards and can help push towers down very quickly. Venomous gale is one of the best ganking spells in the game, because it lasts longer than any other slow, and has a maximum range of 800. He can lane safely in any situation thanks to his plague wards, which help spot opponent heroes who may be hiding.
When to not Pick
There are two main weaknesses of Venomancer: lack of a disable, and weakness against Pipe and BKB. Because Venomancer doesn’t have a stun, the team usually wants to pick up a disable with some of their other heroes. The problem comes when a team doesn’t complement Venomancer with any other stuns, and the opposing team has hard to pin down heroes like Storm or Huskar, who can quickly snowball out of control. Venomancer is usually picked in the front three picks of –cm matches, so I wouldn’t say to ever not pick him, but there can be better choices if you need some solid disables. Venomancer basically is the standard that the other support heroes are compared to.
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 14 2012 14:59 GMT
#20652
Cause gale is imba as all hell in the early game. And wards push towers and provide vision like a boss.

Pretty much he is insane in the early game and starts to tail off in effectiveness as the other team gets more hp (his ult gets pretty weak).
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 14 2012 15:03 GMT
#20653
On September 14 2012 23:53 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Why do people pick venomancer so much? He seems like a mediocre hero.


Venomous Gale is good for some early kills, Wards provides free vision, strong lane harassment ( passive ), nice teamfight ult that can't be ignored.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
September 14 2012 15:08 GMT
#20654
On September 14 2012 23:53 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Why do people pick venomancer so much? He seems like a mediocre hero.


Best agressive support in the game.

Gale hits full effectiveness on slow at level 1, can hit multiple people. Poison sting is crazy good harass. Wards mean he can push and defend towers with zero items with ease, and can farm ancients as an itemless support.

Ulti is the most damaging one-shot AoE in the game. (with aghs is just short of 1800 damage, can't remember theother numbers, but that's the scale)

So: A support that is fully effective at level 1, can get gold even in down times, can push, defend, and harass, and get kills with ease. Even with zero items impacts a team fight.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 15:31:19
September 14 2012 15:26 GMT
#20655
Best aggressive support? At level 1 maybe,at level 2 i prefer a CM, but that might just be me

Edit: But yes, veno is amazing, 50% slow at level 1 in AOE? Yes please.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 14 2012 16:08 GMT
#20656
On September 15 2012 00:26 Unleashing wrote:
Best aggressive support? At level 1 maybe,at level 2 i prefer a CM, but that might just be me

Edit: But yes, veno is amazing, 50% slow at level 1 in AOE? Yes please.

it counters TA
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
September 14 2012 16:14 GMT
#20657
TA isn't really a big reason for veno being strong.

Between CM and Veno; at lvl 1 veno is stronger than CM (gale > nova), at lvl 2 CM is better because she gets frostbite, at level 3 onwards I think Veno starts to pull ahead once again even if CM avoids aura.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 14 2012 16:19 GMT
#20658
Veno is better than CM at all times but level 2 unless you have good use for the mana aura
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 16:30:27
September 14 2012 16:23 GMT
#20659
Veno can do tons. He can gank (gale level 1 is amazing), he can defend towers, he can push towers, ward for vision uphill, he deals a lot of damage in a team fight with minimal effort.

Some situations CM can be better (like vs chen creeps), but Veno fits into just about every lineup. (and it has little to do with TA, Veno used to be even more popular before TA)
Once you Goblak...
DrAbuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany209 Posts
September 14 2012 16:36 GMT
#20660
I´m new to Dota2 and would like to play a match. It says only 61 players are online and the match search doesnt find me a match even though i keep it running nonstop. What mistake am I making?
eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/186292/1/DrAbuse/
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