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On March 02 2009 06:39 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 06:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 06:08 Osmoses wrote:
Drawn graffiti I can get onboard with if it's well done, this is just vandalism, looks like shit, everyone thinks so, all it's good for is as a way of letting opposing gangs know when they're on someone else's turf. Well thats what some one would think that's not part of the graffiti world, but to us it's like saying I was here and I would like everyone to know that. The gang situation is different, with gangs they have their own thing. Yea you might run into a gang one day, but it doesn't stop a graffiti artist to do it. Besides no one really owns property or anything. No one owns anything at all. sorry, this shit's not art, and you doing it doesnt make you an artist your second one on the legal wall is more like art, and it isnt someone's wall they have to fix after you ruin it. So feel free to do that.
You're right, its not art, its an art form. When you can manage to go and paint shit that actually looks good, more so in the dark when most graff is done, then you can talk.
And, how can you ruin something that was completely blank? No one is forcing you to look at it anyway.
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United States24814 Posts
On March 02 2009 06:47 TheSchwA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 06:39 fusionsdf wrote:On March 02 2009 06:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 06:08 Osmoses wrote:
Drawn graffiti I can get onboard with if it's well done, this is just vandalism, looks like shit, everyone thinks so, all it's good for is as a way of letting opposing gangs know when they're on someone else's turf. Well thats what some one would think that's not part of the graffiti world, but to us it's like saying I was here and I would like everyone to know that. The gang situation is different, with gangs they have their own thing. Yea you might run into a gang one day, but it doesn't stop a graffiti artist to do it. Besides no one really owns property or anything. No one owns anything at all. sorry, this shit's not art, and you doing it doesnt make you an artist your second one on the legal wall is more like art, and it isnt someone's wall they have to fix after you ruin it. So feel free to do that. You're right, its not art, its an art form. When you can manage to go and paint shit that actually looks good, more so in the dark when most graff is done, then you can talk. And, how can you ruin something that was completely blank? No one is forcing you to look at it anyway.
I don't think his concern is which how we should label a tag placed on a wall illegally, late at night...
And most of the stuff people actually complain about doesn't look good. A beautiful mural that was painted with permission won't get that much shit, even if it stylistically looks graffiti inspired.
edit: oh and saying you can't ruin something that is completely blank to start is.... silly.
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Graff on walls just makes that place less respectable and dirtier
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I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalism, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck).
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On March 02 2009 06:34 theonemephisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 06:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Besides no one really owns property or anything. No one owns anything at all. Right. Unfortunately, everyone else and society thinks differently.
Yup. If only they knew ;]
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Regardless of the vandalism aspect, does it really make you proud looking at that shit?
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On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck).
Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it.
Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e
The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything.
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If graffiti was truly art, you would have no trouble getting permission of the owner (yes, you can actually own things) of the property to illustrate on it. As it stands, the vast majority of the population along with the rightful owners of the property don't like the graffiti. At least not enough to allow some piece of gutter trash to place it without their permission on their property.
I've been giving a lot of thought to being so judgmental recently but this seems pretty clear cut. If you put graffiti on other's property you're just another vandal that should be dealt with in harsh order. I hope the OP and anyone like him gets caught red handed by the owner of the property and promptly gets ended.
I have a hard time understanding the proposed notion that "no one owns anything" thus you can freely do whatever you wish to anything. Really? Seriously? So I can come to the living premises that you currently reside in and burn it to the ground with everything you own and that's cool? You know, since you don't actually own it and all. By the way, I'd appreciate it if you were to send me all the money in your possession. You don't need it since you don't actually need to buy anything right? No one owns anything so you can just take whatever you want, you don't need that money.
Ugh, TheSchwA and ShoCkeyy makes my head spin with their utter idiocy.
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Calgary26004 Posts
On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck). Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it. Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything.
When we die we don't remember being murders or rapists or being part of a society, so fuck it?
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Osaka27180 Posts
You're still a piece of shit I see.
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On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck). Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it. Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything.
So you wouldn't mind if I came to where you live and stole all of your possessions, then? How about your credit card information or your life savings? You don't own any of those, right?
I mean, maybe you should just give them to me. It's not right for you to hoard them like that when they don't even belong to you.
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On March 02 2009 07:24 Manifesto7 wrote:
You're still a piece of shit I see.
Yes I'm a piece of shit because I don't agree with the way you agree with society, that's amazing. Just shows how much of a hypocrite some one can be.
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On March 02 2009 07:28 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck). Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it. Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything. So you wouldn't mind if I came to where you live and stole all of your possessions, then? How about your credit card information or your life savings? You don't own any of those, right?
But how does graffit and robbing some equal the same thing?
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On March 02 2009 07:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:28 Rostam wrote:On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck). Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it. Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything. So you wouldn't mind if I came to where you live and stole all of your possessions, then? How about your credit card information or your life savings? You don't own any of those, right? But how does graffit and robbing some equal the same thing?
You said nobody owns anything. That justifies ruining someone else's property, but not taking it? It's not theirs anyway, what's the difference?
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On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck). Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it. Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything.
Hah, you go vandalizing property because you want to be remembered when you die? Wow, you're so damn stupid it's astounding. Who will you be remembered by? A handful of people in Miami perhaps. And how will they remember you? As some piece of trash criminal that gave nothing worthwhile to society. No happiness, no betterment of life, no enjoyment, nothing. Just frustration, anger, hatred, and more of the same. Even then, you made no real impact. Nothing lasting. When you die your "work" will be painted over, forgotten. It will most definitely not be remembered for more than a few years after you stop. Hell, people will have forgotten about your "work" even before you die. You've accomplished nothing good through your vandalism.
And you don't care if it's illegal or not because you enjoy it? Spoken like a true criminal. I suppose things like right and wrong just don't apply to you because you are enjoying yourself.
You're just more and more scum like every time you post.
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On March 02 2009 07:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:Yes I'm a piece of shit because I don't agree with the way you agree with society, that's amazing. Just shows how much of a hypocrite some one can be.
would you consider murderers and rapists pieces of shit? cuz like, i feel they have their rightful place in society; the world and life are transient
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On March 02 2009 07:30 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:28 Rostam wrote:On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck). Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it. Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything. So you wouldn't mind if I came to where you live and stole all of your possessions, then? How about your credit card information or your life savings? You don't own any of those, right? But how does graffit and robbing some equal the same thing? You said nobody owns anything. That justifies ruining someone else's property, but not taking it? It's not theirs anyway, what's the difference?
Exactly. He has no idea what he's talking about, he's a moron.
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On March 02 2009 07:31 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:24 Manifesto7 wrote:
You're still a piece of shit I see. Yes I'm a piece of shit because I don't agree with the way you agree with society, that's amazing. Just shows how much of a hypocrite some one can be. would you consider murderers and rapists pieces of shit? cuz like, i feel they have their rightful place in society; the world and life are transient
Well that's them. Thats what they do, theirs consequences for their actions. My actions are only being done upon property that some one doesn't really own.
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On March 02 2009 07:32 Phyre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:30 Rostam wrote:On March 02 2009 07:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:28 Rostam wrote:On March 02 2009 07:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:11 Jusciax wrote:
I have no objections against professional graffiti on some abandoned construction walls which they definitely improve, or in art friendly zones where it's expected to be. But to do it on others property without their consent, doesn't matter how awesome or horrible your graffiti is, is vandalizing, no matter what perverted world views you have in your head ("noone owns anything", "can't ruin something that is blank" - what the fuck). Think about it, once you die what do you take with you? Nothing. As I said you don't own anything. I see this as a way to leave something behind that people can remember me by and so far it has. A lot of people in miami know me because of my graffiti, let alone my art. I rather be remembered than forgotten and never had done something with my life thats out of the ordinary. I don't care if it's illegal or not. I'm still doing it because I enjoy it. Here's something I wrote a while ago. I know it sucks but w.e The movement of my soul runs free. It moves like a feather in the wind. Flying high towards the sky, towards the sun. The wind stops, then my soul drops. Drops like the twin towers, what just happened to me? Am I not free to fly anymore? Am I being used like a whore? When will I know? The time has come to face reality, we're not the owners of our own. We die and that's the finale, we claimed nothing, we gained nothing. We don't own anything. So you wouldn't mind if I came to where you live and stole all of your possessions, then? How about your credit card information or your life savings? You don't own any of those, right? But how does graffit and robbing some equal the same thing? You said nobody owns anything. That justifies ruining someone else's property, but not taking it? It's not theirs anyway, what's the difference? Exactly. He has no idea what he's talking about, he's a moron.
Yes, I'm a moron as well. Who said I would like to take it? I just want to paint on it.
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On March 02 2009 07:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:31 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On March 02 2009 07:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:On March 02 2009 07:24 Manifesto7 wrote:
You're still a piece of shit I see. Yes I'm a piece of shit because I don't agree with the way you agree with society, that's amazing. Just shows how much of a hypocrite some one can be. would you consider murderers and rapists pieces of shit? cuz like, i feel they have their rightful place in society; the world and life are transient Well that's them. Thats what they do, theirs consequences for their actions. My actions are only being done upon property that some one doesn't really own.
your definition of ownership differs with the law's definition
what gives you the right to change that definition for your own sake?
why shouldnt murderers and rapists be able to change the definition of murder and rape?
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