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asdflkjh
Profile Joined September 2007
Brazil15 Posts
June 22 2008 23:13 GMT
#401
Hmm, let's see...
-Way up there: The media. I think there would be very few places where the ENTIRE media is as manipulative, monopolized, interest-driven, commercialized, corrupt, shallow (EIGHT FUCKING SEASONS OF BIG BROTHER) and just plain stupid as it is here. Seriously. Our country is near being run by a single TV station, but it has been worse in the past. It WAS run by this same TV station. Thank God for the internet; although it's not nearly enough mainstream, at least it's something.
-Deeply tied with the fact that the media is as manipulative and misleading as it is, but also caused by other factors, namely a lack of proper education: a brainwashed general population. People whose only dream is to be able to live the shallow, stupid, empty lives played on soap operas; people who will mindlessly act like drones controlled by the media, doing anything it tells them (sometimes even explicitly). The fact BBB has 8 seasons and is still popular goes to show how shallow people here are. Although, as I mentioned, I don't really hate the people themselves for their stupidity, but what they were pidgeonholed into becoming.
-CORRUPT FUCKING POLITICIANS. Fucking assholes will never stop sucking the endless taxes we pay like fucking black holes to their pockets. At least there's been an upsurge of scandals, which means at least some of the fuckers are being uncovered. Take note that the media is promoting this because it's in their interest to burn these guys; the widespread corruption is as old as the country itself, it's just being shown more prominently now, thankfully. And the idiots who watch Globo believe it really started this government.
-Inept government, while we're at it. The interesting fact is that the brazilian laws are, in a good portion of them, actually really good, well written with good ideas. They're just executed awfully.
This is, in part, due to the moneysucking by the corrupt politicians, but it's also due to incompetence from the government. But this is also as old as the country itself. I'd actually say the present government, while bad, is a very reasonable improvement over the last ones. We've had FAR worse in our history.
-Crime rising through the fucking roof due to, yet again, corrupt politicians, police, and generalized poverty, which stimulates traffic since it constitutes an alternative for the people with nothing; even if they are not dealers or traffic soldiers, they provide protection and a means for the traffic masterminds. If the huge amount of taxes we pay were actually invested 100% in making the lives of the poor better, crime would plummet to very acceptable levels.
-As mentioned, endless, endless fucking taxes. Now, if the taxes were actually used, I'd have no qualms with them. But they just go straight into financing some senator's trip to the Bahamas or something. Fucking assholes.

It's not all bad, though. For exemple, I'm just starting the Medicine course in a quite prestigious university here, and know how much I pay? Nothing. It's a federal university, ran by tax money. All I had to do was study like a motherfucker for 3 years (that is, during high school, which lasts this long here) to pass the admission exam (vestibular). I also like the SUS, which is an universal healthcare system. It's in a poor state due to corruption and administrative ineptitude, as I mentioned, but it's really well thought out in theory and it provides at least something for people who would otherwise just die for lack of treatment. I don't use it as my family's in a good enough financial situation to afford a healthcare plan, but I still respect the idea immensely. The biofuel development initiatives by some government agencies are also really cool amidst all the pressure from the oil industry. Universal education below superior (university) level is also a really good idea but it's poorer still than healthcare, due to namely a lack of interest and compleins steming from the short sightedness from the population in general.
We kill time and time buries us. - Machado de Assis
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
June 22 2008 23:27 GMT
#402
On June 23 2008 07:47 skindzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2008 06:26 Machine[USA] wrote:
USA is FAT!
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Conchatumadre... wtf is up with this? This has to be some kind of metabolic disorder.


kill with fire imo.
T-P-S
Profile Joined June 2007
United States204 Posts
June 22 2008 23:31 GMT
#403
On June 23 2008 08:27 XCetron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2008 07:47 skindzer wrote:
On June 23 2008 06:26 Machine[USA] wrote:
USA is FAT!
[image loading]


Conchatumadre... wtf is up with this? This has to be some kind of metabolic disorder.


kill with fire imo.


That child looks ruined forever.
~a hunnerd. Cash, check, whatever. I'll Mothership it.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
June 23 2008 02:20 GMT
#404
On June 20 2008 06:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
United States
+ Show Spoiler +

I love my country, and I love living here, especially when I hear how things are outside of the country, but there's still plenty I dislike, mostly the people.

The school I go to is the best public school in the state (Ohio), yet it's in like the worst public school district. The country in general fucks the education system horribly. Kids are educated to be stupid slobs so that the media is successful, people care about celebrities, everyone is a bunch of ignorant xenophobic socially backwards animals. I don't do anything or put any effort into school, while being at a school ranked #276 in the whole country, and I get top grades in the "hardest" classes, and everyone tells me how great and smart I am, and it's only because everyone is fucking stupid. But it's not really their fault, because they're being bred to be stupid. Education is shifting from being a system to force Americans to compete and hopefully be superior (educationally) to people around the world (namely, smarter than the soviets) to being a fucking day-care.

I'm not allowed to think in terms of stereotypes or be racist or sexist at all even when I see these stereotypes overwhelmingly on a daily basis. My school district is 80% "black" and 20% "white" even though, everyone who's not black (asians, hispanics, which apparently covers everyone not "black" or "white") is also part of "white". People don't just think it's cool to be dumb, it really is cool to be stupid and be "gangsta". Half of fucking bnet even calls people their "niggas" and talks in butchered "ghetto" english, and half of fucking bnet isn't even just americans wtf. The majority of the people I see at school on a daily basis are aggressive black men/boys and shrieking black girls/women. I wish they sounded like chimps, they'd be easier to listen to. Most of the white people are worse, in that they actually copy this stupid behavior because it's "cool".
My school is so ahead of the rest of the district, that they've decided to level out the playing field so we don't feel too elitist. They do this by dragging my school down to fail with the rest of the schools so no one looks "bad". It's fucking bullshit. The No Child Left Behind Act fucking butchered education. All it does is take kids who don't want to succeed, and put them in "good" schools to try and help them. But since they've been socially taught to not learn or succeed, all they do is bring the whole school down.

I'm supposed to compete with the rest of the world, but my country is socially teaching all kids to be stupid, so the media and education caters to stupid people. We really aren't taught to learn a foreign language. We have mandatory foreign language classes, but most of the time you really aren't expected to learn the language, just pass the class. The fact that you can pass a language class without learning the language alone is ridiculous.

Most of the country it seems like are fundamentalist conservative right wing morons who are xenophobic, homophobic, classist, and afraid of technology and progress. This results in the rest of the world out-competing us in every area. We've thrown aside the things that made us the most powerful country under this vague notion that we'll just always be the best, despite that we're slipping behind the world.

Since I'm American, any argument I ever make online is dismissed because I'm American. I'm not allowed to point out people wrong in my country, because it's not socially acceptable to be intelligent. I'm not allowed to point out people wrong outside of my country, because I'm an American slob.

I'm not allowed to be racist or nationalist at all because I'm American, but then people treat me like I'm racist and nationalist because I'm from America. There's this Catch 22, where the rest of the world won't let America not be ignornant fuckheads, but expects us not to be anyway, so we're just universally hated.

People inside the country whine that the government sucks, but they don't try to do anything about it. They complain how the whole politics system sucks, and protest it by not getting involved. People refuse to vote because there isn't a candidate specifically tailored to their own beliefs. You're not allowed to be in the middle, you have to be either left or right, and if you're not you're just hated by everyone. It's always left vs right, but both suck. The right are the fucking backwards ones, who ruin the country yet think they rule the world. They edge the country towards totalitarianism every chance they get. They're the people who read 1984, and say, Hey, this is a pretty good idea! Then there's the left, who read 1984 and say Man, we gotta protest this! Lets protest it by doing NOTHING, that'll show 'em!
The whole Clinton vs Obama thing was ridiculous. They were basically the same candidate ideologically, yet people were pitting them against eachother like it was Bush vs Gore again. The people who supported Obama hated Clinton just for being Clinton, the same assbackwards way the Republicans hate Clinton for being Clinton. There's no difference between Republicans and Democrats, they're the same idiots just preaching the other side. Obama supporters are cultist like Ron Paul supporters are.

The country's hipocrisy rivals 1984's DoubleThink. Republicans yell at Democrats for doing exactly what the Republicans are doing. Democrats let themselves get fucked in the ass, and when they get some power they either shoot themselves in the foot, or do nothing at all, the great wait-it-out tactic lol.

People whine about the economy when they're still in fucking middle class despite the economy going to shit. They bawwwwwwww about gas being so high, but all that does is mean they have to remove luxury expenses. The lower class really is going to shit, whether they drive or not, because the price of food, electricity, gas (for house heating), and all appliances and services are going up, without wages going up, which only further hurts the entire economy. So people decide to counter this by whining, and doing nothing else. Instead of finding a way to fix the problem technologically, they just blame people for the problem.

You're so socially expected to do and have things that you're a complete enigma when you don't want them.

My biggest complaint is the technology thing. People are afraid of all forms of technology they don't already own, it's ridiculous. People look down on the sciences, even though the sciences is what brought them all of their creature comforts.

People are so un-laid-back it's retarded. Everyone is busy with their life-drama, if they're not busy watching soap-operas on tv. Reality shows are fucking retarded. Most movies coming out fucking suck too.

America is just flawed by being socially backwards, and by educating the new generations to be socially backwards. We throw out everything that ever made us great, and then try to bring the world down around us. Look at all the shitty things happening in other countries as result of the US? All this terrorism scare shit? And we're in a war and losing? We're the fucking United States who fought back the nazi regime to Berlin and we can't occupy an oil field in the middle of a desert? And the people we're occupying for some strange reason don't want to be occupied but we can't imagine why... Doesn't everyone like being occupied by Americans? Look at Israel, fucking up shit in Lebanon. Since when has Israel had the privillege to fuck up a war and come out fine? It used to be, if Israel lost a war they'd lose their country, so they didn't lose wars, and didn't start fights they didn't need or couldn't finish, but the US has made them so lazy they start random fights now wtf.

The United States just isn't capable of living not in a state of Cold War yet I guess. Everyone who was raised and educated in the Cold War is educating their children like it's the Cold War, except without any pressure to learn maths and sciences. Which just leaves everyone regressive and backwards about the Cold War present -.-

Then the rest of the world talks to us like we're crap and wonders why we don't like them, but still expects us to do shit for them, then complains we're too involved in the rest of the world's affairs.

Our politics in general is hillarious. McCain, a tortured war hero is condoning torture, lol. Kerry gets flamed for being a veteran by a draft dodger. Obama is called a terrorist, wtf. The right flames McCain the whole election, and when he wins the nomination he's suddenly their hero. Clinton has the nomination in the bag, then manages to do everything wrong assuming she's still won the election, and doesn't figure out she might lose and restructures her campaign until it's too late. McCain pushes and supports everything Bush made and did, but people prefer him because he's not black and isn't a woman. Then liberals start gathering around Ron Paul as their hero, even when he openly denounces the theories of evolution. Clinton supporters are such blind idiots they try and threaten Obama supporters by saying they'll vote for McCain over Obama when it makes no sense to do so, especially when Obama ideologically is basically just a more charismatic Clinton. People vote or vote against Obama because he's black, Clinton because she's a woman, why does shit like that even matter in the 21st century, in the land of oppourtunities and freedom?

People worship violence, drugs, alcohol, hate education, it's silly lol.


If you don't mind racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, a fear of progress and a tendacy towards social and technological regression, the United States is great! Atleast we accept our capitalism and don't try and call it socialism.


This is one of the best reads I've had in a while.

The U.S. is going downhill bigtime... and guess what! You're our role model!
We <3 you.
-Canada

And I wonder how many 5 year olds that 5 year old can take on...
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
June 23 2008 04:55 GMT
#405
On June 23 2008 06:26 Machine[USA] wrote:
USA is FAT!
[image loading]



WHAT THE FUCK?
caution.slip
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States775 Posts
June 23 2008 10:58 GMT
#406
On June 23 2008 08:13 asdflkjh wrote:
Hmm, let's see...
-Way up there: The media. I think there would be very few places where the ENTIRE media is as manipulative, monopolized, interest-driven, commercialized, corrupt, shallow (EIGHT FUCKING SEASONS OF BIG BROTHER) and just plain stupid as it is here. Seriously. Our country is near being run by a single TV station, but it has been worse in the past. It WAS run by this same TV station. Thank God for the internet; although it's not nearly enough mainstream, at least it's something.
-Deeply tied with the fact that the media is as manipulative and misleading as it is, but also caused by other factors, namely a lack of proper education: a brainwashed general population. People whose only dream is to be able to live the shallow, stupid, empty lives played on soap operas; people who will mindlessly act like drones controlled by the media, doing anything it tells them (sometimes even explicitly). The fact BBB has 8 seasons and is still popular goes to show how shallow people here are. Although, as I mentioned, I don't really hate the people themselves for their stupidity, but what they were pidgeonholed into becoming.
-CORRUPT FUCKING POLITICIANS. Fucking assholes will never stop sucking the endless taxes we pay like fucking black holes to their pockets. At least there's been an upsurge of scandals, which means at least some of the fuckers are being uncovered. Take note that the media is promoting this because it's in their interest to burn these guys; the widespread corruption is as old as the country itself, it's just being shown more prominently now, thankfully. And the idiots who watch Globo believe it really started this government.
-Inept government, while we're at it. The interesting fact is that the brazilian laws are, in a good portion of them, actually really good, well written with good ideas. They're just executed awfully.
This is, in part, due to the moneysucking by the corrupt politicians, but it's also due to incompetence from the government. But this is also as old as the country itself. I'd actually say the present government, while bad, is a very reasonable improvement over the last ones. We've had FAR worse in our history.
-Crime rising through the fucking roof due to, yet again, corrupt politicians, police, and generalized poverty, which stimulates traffic since it constitutes an alternative for the people with nothing; even if they are not dealers or traffic soldiers, they provide protection and a means for the traffic masterminds. If the huge amount of taxes we pay were actually invested 100% in making the lives of the poor better, crime would plummet to very acceptable levels.
-As mentioned, endless, endless fucking taxes. Now, if the taxes were actually used, I'd have no qualms with them. But they just go straight into financing some senator's trip to the Bahamas or something. Fucking assholes.

It's not all bad, though. For exemple, I'm just starting the Medicine course in a quite prestigious university here, and know how much I pay? Nothing. It's a federal university, ran by tax money. All I had to do was study like a motherfucker for 3 years (that is, during high school, which lasts this long here) to pass the admission exam (vestibular). I also like the SUS, which is an universal healthcare system. It's in a poor state due to corruption and administrative ineptitude, as I mentioned, but it's really well thought out in theory and it provides at least something for people who would otherwise just die for lack of treatment. I don't use it as my family's in a good enough financial situation to afford a healthcare plan, but I still respect the idea immensely. The biofuel development initiatives by some government agencies are also really cool amidst all the pressure from the oil industry. Universal education below superior (university) level is also a really good idea but it's poorer still than healthcare, due to namely a lack of interest and compleins steming from the short sightedness from the population in general.



yo i hear in brazil its really dangerous for girls at night, rich families hire bodyguards for their daughters so they can be outside after the sun sets, and in schools all the kids have "big brothers" that look after them
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
June 23 2008 11:23 GMT
#407
On June 23 2008 04:13 Louder wrote:
Want terrorism to go away? Let every other country run their own government, and quit acting like western democracy is the holy grail of government and it's our divine right to force it on anyone who disagrees.

It's great that we in the States have a core group of adolescent intellectuals who are privy to the motivations of our aggressors.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Uraeus
Profile Joined February 2008
France1378 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 14:00:16
June 23 2008 13:58 GMT
#408
On June 20 2008 00:36 Boblion wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
France: a broke country where the president can increase his wage by 130% and reduce the taxes for rich people but then he will explain that there is no more money left and that he have to reduce the number of civil servants by two.

A country where the president during his campaign can quote Jaures, and de Gaulle and then spent his hollidays on the yacht owned by one of his billionaire friends, and take the decision to move towards full integration with Nato.

Moreover our dear president behave like a wannabe pimp:
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Scarface[name] KK ?

This president got elected by an aging population in a country where "Security" is one of the main issue. People here are self centered, sometimes racist ( every kind of racism ). Youngs are angry because the retirement age is now 65 years and they will have to pay the pensions of the older generations.

Our dear president said that he wanted to " donner de la valeur au travail " but inflation increase way more than wages and half-time shitty jobs are nowadays the norm. Bye bye 35 H now our government want people to work longer.

0xdeadbeef said how bad the situation is in Germany about internet freedom but here it is worse. Thanks to a new law, the Internet access providers have to shut down your connection if you download illegal stuff ( without judicial procedure ).

Oh and here we have a marvellous currency: the euro.

22,000 $ in the US:

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+ Show Spoiler +
The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V6 coupe will start around $22,000 with the V8 model around $28,000. Convertibles will likely start at around $28,000 for a V6 model and range up to $35,000 for a V8.




25000 $ in France:
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WELCOME TO FRANCE !

Quite a good start. Plus :
French people are bad mannered and don't give a damn about their environment : unless cities spend awful lots of money to clean, streets are dirty everywhere.And the countryside is polluted.
Public transportation is lousy anywhere except Paris (not the surrounding suburbs where it is lame too), and even in Paris, subway and buses stop way too early at night.
Lobbies have as much -nasty- influence on politicians as anywhere else in the world. Politicians themselves name some amendments after companies because they are custom taylored for them. Screw the people, it is not like law is made to protect them
Trade union leaders are all jerks who call for a strike every other day even if they have nothing precise to ask for. Even though there is a LOT to ask for.
All political parties have 26796 wannabe leaders who tackle each other instead of thinking about ways to improve our country.
A racist party did 12% in a national election, and its leader placed 2nd in the presidential race in 2001.
Every single politician will blame Europe for any shit that happens, when THEY are to blame.
Our Gangsta President can decide on his own to send troops to Afghanistan just to please Bush (how silly is that???) and our few weapon manufacturers. Fuck the fact that the French people do not want it.
Our President can get any journalist fired if they displease him. He has done twice already.
France has supported a shitload of dictators (especially in Africa) and still does. And yet we still claim to be the country of Human Rights.
Edit :
On June 22 2008 03:21 caution.slip wrote:
porn is illegal in china

Woaw. China sucks big time.
You are lucky I don't have a banhammer
peetah
Profile Joined August 2005
Sweden88 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 15:47:28
June 23 2008 15:29 GMT
#409
On June 20 2008 02:55 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Hell, they're more likely to be killed by a home-grown, christian zealot than a middle-eastern one.
Or a Protoss one!!


On topic: ..

1. I hate that our retard-government voted yes to a new law that gives FRA (Försvarets radioanstalt), in english "Swedish National Defence Radio Establishment" the right to force all of our ISP:s to let FRA FULLY inspect ALL internet traffic. At the moment, FRA is using one of the fastest supercomputers in the world, and they want more computerpower as well. OK?!
We, the tax-payers, is funding this crap. We are giving the goverment a big chunk of our sallary, so they can control our communication via the internet.

FACE IT, YOU WILL NOT CATCH "TERRORISTS" BY TRYING TO LURK THEIR MAIL, AND IF PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO BLOW UP SHIT HERE, LISTENING TO THEIR MAIL-CONVERSATIONS WON'T STOP THEM, THIS CRAP IS JUST ANOTHER MONEY SINK AND ANOTHER WAY TO CONTROL CITIZENS.

2 a. Some of our laws regarding alcholhol is just filled with double standards of morality. For you who don't know, the government in Sweden have a monopoly in liquir and beer (regular stores can sell it if the percent of alchohol is 3.5 % or lower. The place where we go to buy of alchohol is called "Systembolaget", and the age limit there is 20. The strange thing is that in the age of 18, it is legal to go to clubs, bars and so on and drink there. What if i'm not 21 and wan't to drink at home? A beer at a pub/club here in Sweden costs almost 4 or 5 times more than in "Systembolaget", and to begin with, the price there is high as well cuz our taxe for alchohol is so big.

2 b. The state here had monopoly in all sorts of gamble to not long ago. Nowdays, companies can compete at that market i.e internet-poker. (Private casinos is still not legal. We got only three here, and all of them is runned by the government. They were built around 5 years ago, before that, there was no casinos in Sweden.)
The thing is, when the state realized how much money there was in internet-poker, they quickly entered that branch of industry. They claim that they take a higher amount of social responsebility than the regular internet-gamble companies. They are reffered to as the "bad" guys, the internet-poker runned by the state is "better", ofcourse. IMO, states should get off the market. They can never get as effective as a "regular" company, and therefore, the money of the tax-payers go to waste.

A general problem here in Sweden is that the state fuck around in our lives to much, please let us take care of our own businesses.
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 15:34:52
June 23 2008 15:33 GMT
#410
Smart criminals will use strong encryption or no telecommunication/internet at all to communicate, so... the only ones affected will be everyone else (all normal citizens) of course.
And there will be a lot of false positives.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
June 23 2008 15:40 GMT
#411
On June 24 2008 00:29 peetah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2008 02:55 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Hell, they're more likely to be killed by a home-grown, christian zealot than a middle-eastern one.
+ Show Spoiler +
Or a Protoss one!!


On topic: ..

1. I hate that our retard-government voted yes to a new law that gives FRA (Försvarets radioanstalt), in english "Swedish National Defence Radio Establishment" the right to force all of our ISP:s to let FRA FULLY inspect ALL internet traffic. At the moment, FRA is using one of the fastest supercomputers in the world, and they want more computerpower as well. OK?!
We, the tax-payers, is funding this crap. We are giving the goverment a big chunk of our sallary, so they can control our communication via the internet.

FACE IT, YOU WILL NOT CATCH "TERRORISTS" BY TRYING TO LURK THEIR MAIL, AND IF PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO BLOW UP SHIT HERE, LISTENING TO THEIR MAIL-CONVERSATIONS WON'T STOP THEM, THIS CRAP IS JUST ANOTHER MONEY SINK AND ANOTHER WAY TO CONTROL CITIZENS.

2 a. Some of our laws regarding alcholhol is just filled with double standards of morality. For you who don't know, the government in Sweden have a monopoly in liquir and beer (regular stores can sell it if the percent of alchohol is 3.5 % or lower. The place where we go to buy of alchohol is called "Systembolaget", and the age limit there is 21. The strange thing is that in the age of 18, it is legal to go to clubs, bars and so on and drink there. What if i'm not 21 and wan't to drink at home? A beer at a pub/club here in Sweden costs almost 4 or 5 times more than in "Systembolaget", and to begin with, the price there is high as well cuz our taxe for alchohol is so big.

2 b. The state here had monopoly in all sorts of gamble to not long ago. Nowdays, companies can compete at that market i.e internet-poker. (Private casinos is still not legal. We got only three here, and all of them is runned by the government. They were built around 5 years ago, before that, there was no casinos in Sweden.)
The thing is, when the state realized how much money there was in internet-poker, they quickly entered that branch of industry. They claim that they take a higher amount of social responsebility than the regular internet-gamble companies. They are reffered to as the "bad" guys, the internet-poker runned by the state is "better", ofcourse. IMO, states should get off the market. They can never get as effective as a "regular" company, and therefore, the money of the tax-payers go to waste.


A general problem here in Sweden is that the state fuck around in our lives to much, please let us take care of our own businesses.


That's so true, and now that they voted yes on the FRA law who knows what they'll think of next.
We make signature, then defense it.
peetah
Profile Joined August 2005
Sweden88 Posts
June 23 2008 15:45 GMT
#412
On June 24 2008 00:33 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Smart criminals will use strong encryption or no telecommunication/internet at all to communicate, so... the only ones affected will be everyone else (all normal citizens) of course.
And there will be a lot of false positives.


Yeah, but encryption can also be regulated through law. As far as i know, there is illegal for people in France to encrypt their own information. It would not surprise me at all to see the same happen in Sweden in 3-5 years or so. We are becoming the next DDR, or China.

And yes, why take for granted that criminals will use telecommunication or internet for communication? If everybody know that these law is in function, then people that really have a need to pass the information unnoticed will do it via text on paper or just meet somewhere and say it.....
It's just sad to see this happening.
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
June 23 2008 16:02 GMT
#413
wait wtf, encrypting information is illegal in france? This is an outrage, and whats the reasoning for this?
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 16:32:08
June 23 2008 16:29 GMT
#414
In the UK it's not illegal per se but you have to decrypt it for the police if they demand it. I guess it's the same in France (don't know though). Basically, encryption is made useless by that. The government doesn't like privacy respectively not being able to get access to certain data. If you encrypt something and don't want to tell the key it is assumed that you want to hide something illegal... that's the reasoning behind this. Expect similar laws being made in other countries too.
Uraeus
Profile Joined February 2008
France1378 Posts
June 23 2008 16:50 GMT
#415
On June 24 2008 01:02 XCetron wrote:
wait wtf, encrypting information is illegal in france? This is an outrage, and whats the reasoning for this?

I don't think it is illegal actually. But it used to be until a few years back. Why? Same as everywhere else (that includes the US, until the mid 90s) : encryption was used to communicate with the Enemy (ie : the Eastern block). It only took 15 years for our governments to realize the Cold War was over.

Kind of on topic, our former Prime Minister has been indicted in quite a big affair (Clearstream, if any of you heard of it), and heavily encrypted CDs were seized at his home. The police thought they contained evidences and valuable names, but it took them ages to decrypt everything. Sadly, the CDs only contained some if his poems. Yeah, our former Prime Minister was a poet. France sucks.
You are lucky I don't have a banhammer
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
June 23 2008 17:21 GMT
#416
On June 24 2008 01:29 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
In the UK it's not illegal per se but you have to decrypt it for the police if they demand it. I guess it's the same in France (don't know though). Basically, encryption is made useless by that. The government doesn't like privacy respectively not being able to get access to certain data. If you encrypt something and don't want to tell the key it is assumed that you want to hide something illegal... that's the reasoning behind this. Expect similar laws being made in other countries too.


according to wiki:
Until 1996 it was illegal

1996 - 2004 128 bits encryption max

Since 2004 there are no limits.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
peetah
Profile Joined August 2005
Sweden88 Posts
June 23 2008 17:57 GMT
#417
On June 24 2008 02:21 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2008 01:29 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
In the UK it's not illegal per se but you have to decrypt it for the police if they demand it. I guess it's the same in France (don't know though). Basically, encryption is made useless by that. The government doesn't like privacy respectively not being able to get access to certain data. If you encrypt something and don't want to tell the key it is assumed that you want to hide something illegal... that's the reasoning behind this. Expect similar laws being made in other countries too.


according to wiki:
Until 1996 it was illegal

1996 - 2004 128 bits encryption max

Since 2004 there are no limits.


I see then, excuse me for spreading incorrect information.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 18:42:10
June 23 2008 18:41 GMT
#418
On June 23 2008 20:23 HeadBangaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2008 04:13 Louder wrote:
Want terrorism to go away? Let every other country run their own government, and quit acting like western democracy is the holy grail of government and it's our divine right to force it on anyone who disagrees.

It's great that we in the States have a core group of adolescent intellectuals who are privy to the motivations of our aggressors.



Is this a joke? Because it doesn't really make much sense. It certainly doesn't do much in the way of argue a point - instead you try to just marginalize my opinion by slapping a label on me (an ill-fitting one, at that).

If you don't think history clearly demonstrates the motivations of "our aggressors", then you are woefully uneducated. How did radical Muslim clerics get power in Iran? Oh that's right, the CIA removed the elected leader of Iran in the mid-50s because the UK and US were angry about oil prices. We installed a shill as president who was then overthrown by radicals. I can't imagine why they would have anything against us - can you?

How about Iraq? The argument that we invaded on the basis of human rights violations is entirely fallacious, as there are known to be much greater perpetrators of human rights violations in Africa and eastern Asia - they just don't have all that oil and infrastructure that Iraq did. But we attacked anyway, and completely ruined their country, all the while private contractors who won no-bid agreements committed malfeasance that has cost taxpayers hundred of billions in debt - and instead of helping rebuild, they stole. I can't even fathom why the Iraqis would ever do anything but worship at the feet of the mighty USA.

How about Afghanistan and Pakistan? Can't imagine why terrorists there would be after us. It couldn't be because we armed the most radical bunch of Muslims we could find to fight the Soviets, then hauled ass when things got messy, could it?


But then again, I'm just an "adolescent intellectual". I should listen to mister Bush, he knows what's best. Right? That's worked out well.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
June 23 2008 19:48 GMT
#419
I really like this thread. Rather enlightening about the world and how fucked up it is everywhere.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
friendofsam
Profile Joined June 2008
Ireland9 Posts
June 23 2008 21:41 GMT
#420
this thread is great.. i hate patriotism so much. it seems like everyone loves their country. im glad to find out lots of other people hate their countries too.

countries are fucked up ideas. a country is basically a really big tribe. first there were tribes, then city-states, and now nation-states. in the future there will be no countries, and people will be free..
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