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Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States599 Posts
October 03 2017 15:51 GMT
#178201
Also, there was barely any difference between the weapons available to both sides of the war as the development of rifles and weaponry was nothing like today. armed men fighting the US army now would be the equivalent of fighting muskets with bows and arrows, and we all know how that ended up. Pretending like some armed militia is really going to do anything to hold back a state is wishful thinking. The only thing that has ever and will ever hold back tyranny on US soil is love of country and the democratic process.

If look at spain now and you will point to an example of the government holding back its citizens from exercising that democracy, but look at the same example in a few months or a couple years and you will likely see a different outcome.
I am, therefore I pee
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2017 15:57 GMT
#178202
The second amendment was written 226 years ago. Try to write a law to effectively protect the public from the weapons of the year 2243.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
October 03 2017 15:57 GMT
#178203
wishful thinking is overly generous. the idea that a poorly armed untrained populace holding guns as their last line of defense against a tyrannical dictatorship is a farce. as if they’d have a chance. it’s nothing more than a hypothetical masturbatory line of reasoning based purely in fantasy.

but it’s all we’ve got and apparently it’s enough.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 03 2017 15:57 GMT
#178204
The thing about defending against a government based far from your borders is that a sufficiently expensive stalemate is a win. Enough years of gorilla warfare and it might just force the British to walk away lest they spend far more than it's worth to keep the colony.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42974 Posts
October 03 2017 16:16 GMT
#178205
On October 04 2017 00:57 LegalLord wrote:
The thing about defending against a government based far from your borders is that a sufficiently expensive stalemate is a win. Enough years of gorilla warfare and it might just force the British to walk away lest they spend far more than it's worth to keep the colony.

There was a fantastic documentary in cinemas a few months ago showing how effective gorilla warfare can be against a modern military.
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 03 2017 16:27 GMT
#178206
In a unlikely case of revolution, I think we'll see the military helping out too because our military are not brainwashed to serve the government, but rather the people.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10764 Posts
October 03 2017 16:28 GMT
#178207
Then the people don't need guns...
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
October 03 2017 16:30 GMT
#178208
On October 04 2017 01:27 RealityIsKing wrote:
In a unlikely case of revolution, I think we'll see the military helping out too because our military are not brainwashed to serve the government, but rather the people.

then what good is average joe whitey’s pistol when we have the american military with jets and nukes?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
October 03 2017 16:31 GMT
#178209
Oxfam America is stepping in to help Puerto Rico, saying the Trump administration's response has been “inadequate."

The global nonprofit's president, Abby Maxman, said in a statement Tuesday that the group is “outraged” at the U.S. government’s slow response in Puerto Rico, where more than half of the population is without clean drinking water and food and electricity are scarce in the wake of Hurricane Maria.

“We’re hearing excuses and criticism from the administration instead of a cohesive and compassionate response,” Maxman said.

The organization primarily focuses on humanitarian aid in developing nations and rarely helps wealthy countries like the U.S., but it said it is making an exception as the situation in Puerto Rico worsens.

Maxman said the group will join with Puerto Rican leaders to work with Congress and federal agencies to organize relief efforts, adding that a team has been sent to San Juan to provide direct resources to residents, particularly in rural communities.

“The US has more than enough resources to mobilize an emergency response but has failed to do so in a swift and robust manner,” she said.

The Trump administration has been sharply criticized for its slow response to the devastation in Puerto Rico. The president has also clashed with the mayor of San Juan, tweeting that she has “poor leadership ability” and saying that Puerto Ricans “want everything done for them.”

The president and first lady Melania Trump are scheduled to visit Puerto Rico on Tuesday and will meet with local leaders and victims of hurricane damage.


Oxfam slams US response in Puerto Rico as 'slow, inadequate'
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 16:32:11
October 03 2017 16:31 GMT
#178210
On October 04 2017 01:30 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2017 01:27 RealityIsKing wrote:
In a unlikely case of revolution, I think we'll see the military helping out too because our military are not brainwashed to serve the government, but rather the people.

then what good is average joe whitey’s pistol when we have the american military with jets and nukes?


Idk, that's a good question.

EDIT: Let's not be racist though.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 16:38:55
October 03 2017 16:34 GMT
#178211
poor choice of words, it was a fictitious GOP’er named by XD, i didn’t invent him myself. but the argument certainly was different. my bad. i wanted a non personal person to name, and i was too lazy to do it on my own.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
October 03 2017 16:37 GMT
#178212
On October 04 2017 01:31 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
Oxfam America is stepping in to help Puerto Rico, saying the Trump administration's response has been “inadequate."

The global nonprofit's president, Abby Maxman, said in a statement Tuesday that the group is “outraged” at the U.S. government’s slow response in Puerto Rico, where more than half of the population is without clean drinking water and food and electricity are scarce in the wake of Hurricane Maria.

“We’re hearing excuses and criticism from the administration instead of a cohesive and compassionate response,” Maxman said.

The organization primarily focuses on humanitarian aid in developing nations and rarely helps wealthy countries like the U.S., but it said it is making an exception as the situation in Puerto Rico worsens.

Maxman said the group will join with Puerto Rican leaders to work with Congress and federal agencies to organize relief efforts, adding that a team has been sent to San Juan to provide direct resources to residents, particularly in rural communities.

“The US has more than enough resources to mobilize an emergency response but has failed to do so in a swift and robust manner,” she said.

The Trump administration has been sharply criticized for its slow response to the devastation in Puerto Rico. The president has also clashed with the mayor of San Juan, tweeting that she has “poor leadership ability” and saying that Puerto Ricans “want everything done for them.”

The president and first lady Melania Trump are scheduled to visit Puerto Rico on Tuesday and will meet with local leaders and victims of hurricane damage.


Oxfam slams US response in Puerto Rico as 'slow, inadequate'

Seriously, the bit where Trump says the Puerto Ricans need to offer more help... to the Puerto Ricans, is Onion levels of stupid. This response has been shambolic, I'm glad at least someone can organize to help them in their time of need.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15714 Posts
October 03 2017 16:42 GMT
#178213
On October 04 2017 01:30 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2017 01:27 RealityIsKing wrote:
In a unlikely case of revolution, I think we'll see the military helping out too because our military are not brainwashed to serve the government, but rather the people.

then what good is average joe whitey’s pistol when we have the american military with jets and nukes?


Artificial inflation of an individual's view of their own masculinity? The empowerment someone feels when they wield a weapon? How about the fact that guns are just kinda cool? These are all really valuable things that people should feel no amount of shame in striving for. none. lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
October 03 2017 16:45 GMT
#178214
In other news deserving national shame, the U.S. joined Iraq, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia today as it voted against a U.N. ban on homosexuality being punishable by death.

Fucking disgraceful.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10764 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 16:47:41
October 03 2017 16:46 GMT
#178215
Wtf, why would the US do this? Just for a "fuck you we decide who to kill for what?"

That the death penalty is still a thing is disgracefull enough but this?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15714 Posts
October 03 2017 16:48 GMT
#178216
On October 04 2017 01:46 Velr wrote:
Wtf, why would the US do this? Just for a "fuck you we decide who to kill for what?"

That the death penalty is still a thing is disgracefull enough but this?

A brief glance at the Trump administration's views on gay conversion therapy makes this a lot more clear.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
October 03 2017 16:51 GMT
#178217
Nazis and ethnostate racists aside, Trump's base includes plenty of people who want to see homosexuality criminalized. Many of those folk consider Pence a hero of sorts.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 03 2017 16:52 GMT
#178218
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 16:58:43
October 03 2017 16:53 GMT
#178219
On October 04 2017 01:45 farvacola wrote:
In other news deserving national shame, the U.S. joined Iraq, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia today as it voted against a U.N. ban on homosexuality being punishable by death.

Fucking disgraceful.

We are a garbage nation and an embarrassment to the international stage. The fact that we make the world suffer through this every 8 years is a fucking joke.

On October 04 2017 01:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/915256217991294982


Wow, just wow. Only 16 people confirmed dead, not a big deal. Sure they have no ability to really count how many people died, but forget that. Of course, to Trump, the rest that die will be due to the lack luster response from Puerto Rico citizens, who are not members of the US. And the price tag is to high because, you know, they are brown people.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23298 Posts
October 03 2017 16:57 GMT
#178220
On October 04 2017 01:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/915256217991294982


jfc.

Tell me this evokes a sense of shame in people that voted for him. Please?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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