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Reince Priebus interview with Chris Wallace:"You don't get to tell us what to do, Reince! You don't get to tell us what to do any more than Barack Obama did," Wallace said. "I've got to say he never said that we were an enemy of the people."
"He said a lot of things about Fox News, Chris. I think you ought to go check the tape," Priebus said. "He took plenty of shots."
"No, he took the shots, and we didn't like them, and frankly we don't like this either," Wallace said. "But he never went as far as President Trump has, and that's what's concerning, because it seems like he crosses a line when he talks about — that we're an enemy of the people. That is concerning."
TPM Source (but I'm sure you can find another if you don't like TPM)
So I don't know if Fox is included in Trump's "fake news" basket or not, but if anyone thought my concern about calling the media the enemy was just liberal hysteria, here's Chris Wallace with a lot of the same concerns.
Edit: You know it's bad when Fox is saying Trump is worse than Obama about something.
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On February 20 2017 02:43 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2017 02:33 LegalLord wrote:
There's no hope without at the very least a university with an accredited engineering program. I'll tell you that much right off the bat.
Yes, the problem is quite troubling. I don't think "we need a 21st century FDR" could imply anything different. I think you and companies overestimate a lot of semi skilled labour. Take something like a material planner at a company. They have more in common with the classical secretary dealing with scheduling a person (factory) than an Engineer, yet Engineers are hired for it. In other cases it isn't true but we have seen a creep in what is expected when you start a position, even if that isn't very relevant to the work at hand. Low skilled labour is decreasing. Semi skilled is more or less static and skilled has increased a bit, though not as much as low skilled decreased and keeps decreasing. Long term the danger is that some skilled labour will be replaced as well. Doctors is an excellent example, diagnosis and surgery are both things that would be better performed with computer assistance. If the first line of doctors can make a diagnosis good enough to send you directly to testing instead of referring you to a specialist the amount of visits and thus people needed is cut down.
The stuff about doctors actually is pretty far removed from reality. I am not sure about what kind of "testing" you are referring to, but the job of the doctor is highly social. The most technical specialities like radiology or some kinds of surgery are maybe able to be replaced by machine work. But almost every other specialization depends highly on extracting the right information out of people, testing the right stuff and interpreting it well. If you are able to make machines do this you require a highly advanced A.I., that would be able to replace almost every job on earth. Even with presumably basic stuff like standard cases you still need the doctors eye to make sure there is nothign else going on.
The other main problem is accountability. Basically you need everything checked by a doc. Otherwise you might run into huge legal problems. The actual testing stuff like doing the EKG and MRI or whatever are for the most part done by assisstants anyway.
AI is definitely able to help the doctor but is far far away from being to replace him in any relevant shape or form. The most time consuming part of medicine is the contact with the patient. And replacing that will take a lot of additional technical advancement.
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The media is the enemy,they are responsible for that themselves by following partisan agendas instead of objectively reporting the news. The media today 90% of them they are disgusting and a threat to democracy. Internet is slowly breaking the traditional medias monopoly but the competition is not any better unfortunately. Maybe people just want to be misled.
http://nypost.com/2017/02/18/christie-tells-his-staff-he-is-taking-white-house-job/
Christie coming back,i thought he was gone. Bridgegate was so horrible,how can someone come back from that?
Like closing a bridge for 3 days just to mess with 1 personal enemy, and like 1 million other people as collateral damage,how can he get a function in government again?
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On February 20 2017 06:06 pmh wrote:The media is the enemy,they are responsible for that themselves by following partisan agendas instead of objectively reporting the news. The media today 90% of them they are disgusting and a threat to democracy. Internet is slowly breaking the traditional medias monopoly but the competition is not any better unfortunately. Maybe people just want to be misled. http://nypost.com/2017/02/18/christie-tells-his-staff-he-is-taking-white-house-job/Christie coming back,i thought he was gone. Bridgegate was so horrible,how can someone come back from that? Like closing a bridge for 3 days just to mess with 1 personal enemy, and like 1 million other people as collateral damage,how can he get a function in government again?
because trump's choices are thin?
because politicians are unethical in general? or at least people have been shown to be willing to go a fair way in sometimes electing people with sketchy pasts. also iirc he hasn't been convicted of it yet.
what surprises me more is him getting a job at the white house given his history with kushner.
not sure if the first paragraph ismeant ot be serious or what, so avoiding responding to it.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
Don't try to make sense of his random stream of consciousness babbling. Just go with it.
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one thing I found about the Sweden stuff
http://www.thelocal.se/20151113/five-myths-about-swedens-refugee-crisis
Five myths about Sweden's refugee crisis
1. Sweden is closing its borders
2. Swedes no longer like refugees
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4. Refugees are being attacked across the country
5. Refugees won't get work and can't integrate
I think there's a much bigger problem when people argue that the reason there isn't prominent Swedish anti-refugee news because Sweden is self-censoring anti-refugee news.
Obviously if it's true it's problematic, but the problem is that it removes the requirement of proof in favour of gut feelings. Pundits are allowed to say unsubstantiated crap like, "no one says it in public, but many of my Swedish friends in private hate the refugees", and listeners just ignore the opposing opinions because this fits their worldview better.
That's why I wanted to get better sources, because Fox News says only 500 of 16,000 or 160,000 Swedish refugees had jobs? Which sounded like baloney.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On February 20 2017 04:46 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2017 04:43 Yurie wrote:On February 20 2017 04:13 Blisse wrote:Anyone have better sources on the Sweden "refugee crisis" stuff? It seems like Trump was quoting a Fox News segment that aired ... yesterday lmfao. I can't find any non-right-wing sources other than The Guardian talking about it or offering the other perspective. But I can totally see how bad it sounds if you watched Fox News and believed that segment, but I also know... it's Fox News. No, I just said, the Fox News segment aired the previous day and it's clear that it's where Trump got the impression there are problems in Sweden in his speech. There is plenty of coverage of the "refugee crisis" in Sweden over the last year unrelated to Trump news, but most of them appear to come from incredibly biased sources. I wanted to know more about the situation because it doesn't seem like any sources I've found is refuting the problems in Sweden, regardless of whether Swedish people continue to welcome refugees.
The joys of one side refusing to even talk about something while the other side thinks everything that happens is a sign of our future as a caliphate.
I've had the same problem trying to find unbiased information  Some of the swedish people posting here last time this came up tho, said the situation was pretty grossly exaggerated for whatever it's worth.
I'm only in sweden once a year so hard to tell much.
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Norway28637 Posts
When I talk to swedes they seem incredibly divided on the issue. Most swedes I trust seem to be of the opinion that the 'refugee disaster' is overblown and not really a thing, but there are also genuinely a lot of swedes who seem to think everything is going to hell, and even the swedes I trust acknowledge that certain parts of certain cities do have real problems with immigration, and that there have been a couple incidents of media self-censoring. But overall, 'mainstream' swedish media certainly give a more truthful portrayal than the fringe outlets only interested in covering negative aspects of immigration do, even if it is true that the mainstream media outlets on a couple occasions have made pretty huge mistakes- there was some groping incident at a festival which was deliberately not covered as to not spur anti-immigrant sentiments.
And I've heard from a lot of swedes that it's a very politically correct society where you need to weight your words carefully to not be considered a racist if you have anything critical to say about the immigration policies- and there seems to be this genuine fight for the narratives thing going on. My take is basically that there are genuine issues and grievances felt from the anti-refugee crowd, but they pale in comparison with how dire they themselves portray the situation as.
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U.S. President Donald Trump's suggestion that Sweden experienced an immigration-related security incident prompted a baffled response from the Scandinavian country on Sunday as diplomats asked for an explanation and citizens responded with amusement.
Trump, who in his first weeks in office has tried to sharply tighten U.S. borders on national security grounds, cited Sweden as a country that had experienced problems with immigrants in remarks at a rally on Saturday.
"You look at what's happening last night in Sweden," Trump said. "Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible."
That appeared to confuse the Swedish government, which asked the U.S. State Department to explain what the new president meant.
"We are trying to get clarity," Swedish Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Catarina Axelsson said.
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Imagine being the government worker having to make up an official explanation for this crap
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We are seeing the power of the big lie in full force. It is hard to prove something doesn't exist when someone in power claims it does. Some would argue that it is impossible if the person has enough power.
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These people are like the dumbest version of the 1970s CIA. They plan to overthrow leaders and install puppet dictators, but then send out their master plan regular mail with "Plan to end Russia Sanctions" written on envelope.
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Canada11349 Posts
On February 20 2017 04:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2017 03:33 Falling wrote:and I loved religulous Is it really any good? The only part I am familiar with (having an interest in ancient civs) is the part where he is browbeating people with the same factual mistakes that Zeitgeist made: trying to compare Osiris/Horus to Jesus. With even a moderate familiarity with Egyptian mythology, you would find there are NOT many virgins in their story, quite the opposite. Most of the claims to the parallel cannot be traced because if you go searching, they were only asserted, but they never actually say which Egyptian tablet or stele 'kings from afar' or 'star' or 'teacher by twelve' or 'twelve followers" (you could maybe count three or four?) came from. Most of the claims simply don't exist, the rest are patently false. You can find some Egyptian parallels from a source (and it seems that's where a bunch of the claims originated). . . a psychic from the 1800s. ...given all that, I wasn't feeling super compelled to see beyond that original clip. Yea it's good, but yea it's some what like what you mentioned. He listens to both sides, but then debates with facts. The whole point of the documentary was showcasing the ignorance in the US still, and to push doubt among religious people.
The problem I found is that he displayed just as much ignorance and lack of facts with his handling of Egyptian mythology. I mean Egyptology isn't even my main interest, and just powering through a few Osiris/Horus stories will quickly disabuse you of the notion that the checklist of similarities circulating the internet is at all accurate... except by sleight of hand whereby you avoid the details, make the stories as generic as possible and relabel ancient mythology with Christianese. So the virgin birth VS humping a stitched together dead body with wooden phallus because they couldn't retrieve the original phallus as it was eaten by crocodiles= miraculous birth, see they are the same !!! o_O.
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The leader of the most powerful country in the history of the world doesn't get his briefings from Intelligence agencies but the TV:
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
Well what is he to do when the intelligence agencies don't trust him? He needs to get his news somewhere. Might as well use the most friendly news possible for maximum ego stroke,
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On February 20 2017 01:09 Doodsmack wrote:Putting this here because it involves Obama/Kerry diplomacy...and shows you Israel's willingness to find peace. Show nested quote +An Israeli newspaper reported Sunday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu turned down a regional peace initiative last year that was brokered by then-American Secretary of State John Kerry, in apparent contradiction to his stated goal of involving regional powers in resolving Israel's conflict with the Palestinians.
Haaretz reported that Netanyahu took part in a secret summit that Kerry organized in the southern Jordanian port city of Aqaba last February and included Jordan's King Abdullah II and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi. According to the report, which cited anonymous Obama administration officials, Kerry proposed regional recognition of Israel as a Jewish state — a key Netanyahu demand — alongside a renewal of peace talks with the Palestinians with the support of the Arab countries. Netanyahu reportedly rejected the offer, saying he would not be able to garner enough support for it in his hard-line coalition government. Yahoo
That would have been amazing for the region and for Obama's legacy as president.
btw
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So do we have confirmation that they did vote, or no, 'cause I find it likely every single illegally registered voter happened to vote when voter turnout in this country is abysmal
EDIT: I should mention that even if we go with these figures, Trump STILL loses the popular vote, unless he actually lost by 1.5M and one or something
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That doesn't seem credible at all. Like the opposite of credible, with zero concrete evidence. Illegal immigrants cannot vote and did not vote.
Also if illegal immigrants where voting in some grand democratic conspiracy, why did they run up the score in California? They committed massive voter ground involving millions of people in the state they are 100% sure never to lose?
Edit: that dude is a writer for infowars and a youtuber. Peek credibility.
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What will be really funny is when trump voters claim it wasn't predictable that trump would do whatever he wanted to enrich the family business. And to think, the main reason they opposed Hillary was personal corruption.
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