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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 01 2014 18:42 GMT
#26481
On October 01 2014 23:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed the nation's first statewide ban on single-use plastic bags at grocery and convenience stores, driven to action by pollution in streets and waterways.

A national coalition of plastic bag manufacturers immediately said it would seek a voter referendum to repeal the law, which is scheduled to take effect in July 2015.

Under SB270, plastic bags will be phased out of checkout counters at large grocery stores and supermarkets such as Wal-Mart and Target starting next summer, and convenience stores and pharmacies in 2016. The law does not apply to bags used for fruits, vegetables or meats, or to shopping bags used at other retailers. It allows grocers to charge a fee of at least 10 cents for using paper bags.

State Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Los Angeles, credits the momentum for statewide legislation to the more than 100 cities and counties, including Los Angeles and San Francisco, that already have such bans.

The law marks a major milestone for environmental activists who have successfully pushed plastic bag bans in cities across the U.S., including Chicago, Austin and Seattle. Hawaii is also on track to have a de-facto statewide ban, with all counties approving prohibitions.

"This bill is a step in the right direction — it reduces the torrent of plastic polluting our beaches, parks and even the vast ocean itself," Brown said in a signing statement. "We're the first to ban these bags, and we won't be the last."

Plastic bag manufacturers have aggressively pushed back through their trade group, the American Progressive Bag Alliance, which aired commercials in California blasting the ban as a cash-giveaway to grocers that would lead to a loss of thousands of manufacturing jobs.


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I'm interested to see the polling on this. California's pretty liberal, but in the case of disposable plastic bags, it might be close. Any voter referendum would rely on an electorate that's pissed off at the change. The proponents will just point to the cities and counties that already did it. The difference now is you can't just do your shopping the next city over.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 01 2014 18:44 GMT
#26482
On October 02 2014 03:23 Sub40APM wrote:
just bring back the guillotine

Given the recent track record of lethal injection, using the guillotine would sure as shit be more humane. Don't have to worry about fucking that one up.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 01 2014 18:56 GMT
#26483
would be pretty good for the budget too.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 19:04:12
October 01 2014 18:58 GMT
#26484
Good for the budget? Hell, may as well sell tickets and make a profit. Might need a bigger venue though. Capitalism and stuff.
MMT University is coming! http://www.mmtuniversity.org/
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 01 2014 19:10 GMT
#26485
... or you know, you could just get rid of capital punishment
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
October 01 2014 19:11 GMT
#26486
On October 02 2014 03:58 screamingpalm wrote:
Good for the budget? Hell, may as well sell tickets and make a profit. Might need a bigger venue though. Capitalism and stuff.

If we're selling tickets lets just go full-blown gladiatorial combat.
Who called in the fleet?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 01 2014 19:43 GMT
#26487
On October 02 2014 03:58 screamingpalm wrote:
Good for the budget? Hell, may as well sell tickets and make a profit. Might need a bigger venue though. Capitalism and stuff.

oh of course. pay per view too, maybe?

gladiatorial combat probably won't be all that interesting though. we alraedy have plenty of that.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
October 01 2014 19:46 GMT
#26488
On October 02 2014 04:43 oneofthem wrote:
oh of course. pay per view too, maybe?

gladiatorial combat probably won't be all that interesting though. we alraedy have plenty of that.


Sounds very American to me. Of course sponsored events. Today's execution is brought to you by McDonalds... "I'm Lovin' It".
MMT University is coming! http://www.mmtuniversity.org/
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24367 Posts
October 01 2014 20:17 GMT
#26489
On October 02 2014 04:46 screamingpalm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2014 04:43 oneofthem wrote:
oh of course. pay per view too, maybe?

gladiatorial combat probably won't be all that interesting though. we alraedy have plenty of that.


Sounds very American to me. Of course sponsored events. Today's execution is brought to you by McDonalds... "I'm Lovin' It".


Might as well give credit where it is due. Carlin nailed this years ago.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
October 01 2014 20:53 GMT
#26490
Heh, forgot about that Carlin skit, cheers! Sort of funny where the sarcastic logical conclusion will take you. :D
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bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 21:49:57
October 01 2014 21:30 GMT
#26491
October is "officially" the last month of open market operations... only 10B of magic, free lunch, totally non-inflationary liquidity injections left in the punchbowl... I'm stocking up on popcorn...

any of our resident central bank cultists wanna make some reassurances about how everything is awesome and under control? I know we're all too dumb to understand the complicated math that grounds your incontrovertible opinions, but it will make us all feel better to hear you say it

here's a nice article from Pravda, I mean sorry the NYT, preparing us all for the prospect of forking over more taxpayer money to pigs - link. (and a "me too!" from that venerable mouthpiece of critical inquiry, the Economist) Nice coincidental timing on this article!

+ Show Spoiler +
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 21:31:18
October 01 2014 21:30 GMT
#26492
On October 02 2014 05:53 screamingpalm wrote:
Heh, forgot about that Carlin skit, cheers! Sort of funny where the sarcastic logical conclusion will take you. :D

To the same place for decades apparently
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24367 Posts
October 01 2014 22:14 GMT
#26493
On October 02 2014 06:30 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2014 05:53 screamingpalm wrote:
Heh, forgot about that Carlin skit, cheers! Sort of funny where the sarcastic logical conclusion will take you. :D

To the same place for decades apparently


Given a straight up vote between abolishing capital punishment or the 'Carlin Plan' I have a feeling it would be closer than most of us would like to admit.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 01 2014 22:17 GMT
#26494
Great interview of Reza Aslan on CNN about "Muslim countries."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152410206006167
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 02 2014 01:59 GMT
#26495
On October 02 2014 06:30 bookwyrm wrote:
October is "officially" the last month of open market operations... only 10B of magic, free lunch, totally non-inflationary liquidity injections left in the punchbowl... I'm stocking up on popcorn...

any of our resident central bank cultists wanna make some reassurances about how everything is awesome and under control? I know we're all too dumb to understand the complicated math that grounds your incontrovertible opinions, but it will make us all feel better to hear you say it

here's a nice article from Pravda, I mean sorry the NYT, preparing us all for the prospect of forking over more taxpayer money to pigs - link. (and a "me too!" from that venerable mouthpiece of critical inquiry, the Economist) Nice coincidental timing on this article!

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChmUC0OysoU

What's a 'central bank cultist'? A dove?
bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
October 02 2014 02:01 GMT
#26496
On October 02 2014 10:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2014 06:30 bookwyrm wrote:
October is "officially" the last month of open market operations... only 10B of magic, free lunch, totally non-inflationary liquidity injections left in the punchbowl... I'm stocking up on popcorn...

any of our resident central bank cultists wanna make some reassurances about how everything is awesome and under control? I know we're all too dumb to understand the complicated math that grounds your incontrovertible opinions, but it will make us all feel better to hear you say it

here's a nice article from Pravda, I mean sorry the NYT, preparing us all for the prospect of forking over more taxpayer money to pigs - link. (and a "me too!" from that venerable mouthpiece of critical inquiry, the Economist) Nice coincidental timing on this article!

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChmUC0OysoU

What's a 'central bank cultist'? A dove?


At this point? yeah, pretty much :D Being a monetary dove is pretty much like believing that Jesus is still coming back, any time now, just wait for it
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 02 2014 02:23 GMT
#26497
On October 02 2014 11:01 bookwyrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2014 10:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On October 02 2014 06:30 bookwyrm wrote:
October is "officially" the last month of open market operations... only 10B of magic, free lunch, totally non-inflationary liquidity injections left in the punchbowl... I'm stocking up on popcorn...

any of our resident central bank cultists wanna make some reassurances about how everything is awesome and under control? I know we're all too dumb to understand the complicated math that grounds your incontrovertible opinions, but it will make us all feel better to hear you say it

here's a nice article from Pravda, I mean sorry the NYT, preparing us all for the prospect of forking over more taxpayer money to pigs - link. (and a "me too!" from that venerable mouthpiece of critical inquiry, the Economist) Nice coincidental timing on this article!

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChmUC0OysoU

What's a 'central bank cultist'? A dove?


At this point? yeah, pretty much :D Being a monetary dove is pretty much like believing that Jesus is still coming back, any time now, just wait for it

But being a hawk is pretty much like trying to simultaneously run a marathon and engage in autoerotic asphyxiation

Could you explain your op? I would think that you'd be happy to see QE end (open market operations aren't ending), yet you seem to be expecting the shit to hit the fan?

bookwyrm
Profile Joined March 2014
United States722 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-02 02:57:52
October 02 2014 02:39 GMT
#26498
Yes, im happy to see it end because im tired of waiting for the shit to hit the fan. The longer you wait, the bigger the shit. Burn baby burn

edit: oh right its just the 'permanent' open market operations that are ending. Forgive my terrible terrible ignorance
si hortum in bibliotheca habes, deerit nihil
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
October 02 2014 02:52 GMT
#26499
On October 02 2014 07:17 Souma wrote:
Great interview of Reza Aslan on CNN about "Muslim countries."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152410206006167

so on the one hand you have an anchor who probably isn't very bright

and on the other, you have an expert that decides to burn a shitton of strawmen

the conclusion: do not watch CNN
?
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 02 2014 03:11 GMT
#26500
On October 02 2014 11:39 bookwyrm wrote:
Yes, im happy to see it end because im tired of waiting for the shit to hit the fan. The longer you wait, the bigger the shit. Burn baby burn

edit: oh right its just the 'permanent' open market operations that are ending. Forgive my terrible terrible ignorance

I think I know what you mean, but open market operations are used for normal monetary policy too. Those operations set the fed funds rate.
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