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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
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IveReturned
Turkey258 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:48 Nightshake wrote: Im french and I live in France. And this country has a lot of dumb people. Education and political system suck hard, and a lot of people are just unsociable and always unhappy. Not to mention, the arrogance of French (well this is characteristic and not that bad as every country has people with a main default). But it's a beautiful country, and you can meet great people. And there is a reason why French culture is so well-known. The thing is that Americans think that French are cowards who didn't take part in the WWII. Well, we got attacked by a huge ass army with a crazy dictator. Pétain, the Maréchal at this time (the commander of the army), decided to cooperate with the nazis. And that's why people don't like French. I'd like to say that after WW2, Pétain got executed for cooperating with the nazis. And let's not forget that we're not the only ones who got PWNT by the Nazis. I'm thinking of Netherlands for exmaple, which was overrun in 5 days. | ||
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hZi
5 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:49 IveReturned wrote: If you make a law that shuts up the people who dont think like you do, you must be an ignorant retard. Thats my opinion about french. Could you be more precise please ? | ||
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Macpo
453 Posts
Second, please do not forget that there is a quite strong anti americanism in France too, which is sometimes nationalistic (in the tradition of De Gaulle, and the refusal to be either pro US or pro USSR in the cold war, although France was de facto rather on the US side); sometimes anti imperialist (so more leftist). Sometimes it can be a mix of both! (like the French communist party in the 60's defending French wine against Coke). Third, Some recent events have degraded Franco american relations (which overall remain friendly), for instance the refusal of France to go to war. in Iraq. I still remember stories at that time, about the US changing "French" fries into "freedom" fries... This might explain some of it. Fourth, overall, I am afraid there is nationalism and nationalist jokes everywhere around the world, from all countries against all countries. Yet, US nationalism is quite strong I would say (I was so suprised of how many Americans have US flags in their home; this would be considered very strange and far right in France). Nationalism leading to the hatred of the other, as history has shown so many times, this could explain that. (and in this regard, "france bashing" is far from being the main concern... Muslim identity for instance is much more in trouble I would say; as communists were under MacCarthysm in the 1950's - I mean potentially, not at the moment). | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:49 IveReturned wrote: If you make a law that shuts up the people who dont think like you do, you must be an ignorant retard. Thats my opinion about french. Making a link between a very recent and hotly controversed law and a whole population seems very intelligent. Nice to see you have an objective opinion on the matter. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
I think he refers to the law that makes it illegal to deny the armenian genocide. | ||
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Sanix
Switzerland37 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:23 aTnClouD wrote: Man everyone bash french people as much as they do with americans. They have so many people with strong nationalistic attitude that just pisses off everybody else. I have nothing against these people who believe their country is the absolute best (when it's not), I just think it's silly, but I understand why the world doesn't like these countries. And the Italians are not?? There live so many Italians in Switzerland who doesn't know our language after 20 fucking years, because they seperate in groups with other Italians and refuse the integrate. And that's not the minority. It's a very Italian thing. @Topic In Switzerland we don't make that many jokes about the French but rather about the Americans. I think the thing with the French is, that they are very proud of their country and sometimes refuse to learn ot her languages, because they still see themselves as the very best culture. This has changed with the youth I believe. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
As a German I know countless of jokes about you guys(though you probably know some about us aswell). I have a difficult relationship with you frenchies, simply because I had bad luck with french people I met on the internet. To be frank, most of them were assholes, but there were nice guys too so I generally ask myself if my thoughts about france and french people were caused by my personal experiences with them, since I might have met A LOT of people I didn't like from there(writing that sounds mean lol), but I refuse to believe that they were assholes because they were french. So I try to meet you with the respect and friendliness I meet everybody else with too. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote: Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals. There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. that's some nice revisionnism. i tought education was ok in sweden... On January 21 2012 21:48 Nightshake wrote: Im french and I live in France. And this country has a lot of dumb people. Education and political system suck hard, and a lot of people are just unsociable and always unhappy. Not to mention, the arrogance of French (well this is characteristic and not that bad as every country has people with a main default). But it's a beautiful country, and you can meet great people. And there is a reason why French culture is so well-known. The thing is that Americans think that French are cowards who didn't take part in the WWII. Well, we got attacked by a huge ass army with a crazy dictator. Pétain, the Maréchal at this time (the commander of the army), decided to cooperate with the nazis. And that's why people don't like French. I'd like to say that after WW2, Pétain got executed for cooperating with the nazis. Edit : found btw : http://aproposfrance-usa.blogspot.com/ And french education is indeed awful. Pétain wasn't the marechal, he wasn't executed... | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
 . But there's a lot of cool French people as well so it really depends on the person. On January 21 2012 21:51 Al Bundy wrote: And let's not forget that we're not the only ones who got PWNT by the Nazis. I'm thinking of Netherlands for exmaple, which was overrun in 5 days. That's not a very good comparison seeing as France is actually bigger than Germany and German is like 10x Holland. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
Check the country he's from and the political problems between you lately. And Ive, I'd suggest that you don't forget the difference between a people and its gov. (though I was on the side of the frenchies in that one) | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:57 Logros wrote: That the word Chauvinistic orginates from French kind of sums it up well. And it's not only the US where people think like this . But there's a lot of cool French people as well so it really depends on the person. That's not a very good comparison seeing as France is actually bigger than Germany and German is like 10x Holland. France was smaller than the 3rd reich, on all points (population/ military/territory/economy...) | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:43 Silidons wrote: people bash the french sometimes because they are generally very laid back etc, aren't coffee shops etc very popular there and people sit around smoke and talk etc? That sounds like a Starbucks minus the plethora of Macbooks. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 21 2012 22:01 Skullflower wrote: That sounds like a Starbucks minus the plethora of Macbooks. That's the romantic view of Paris, still true in some parts. The coffee shop/bar is still a central place in most rural areas, but it's no longer the case in cities. Tho the fact that french people love to enjoy life and do simple things is still quite true, most people aren't in a hurry. That's where the lazy stereotype comes from, along our numerous work law (35hour is just the most publicized one but far from being the most important) | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
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The Intensity
United Kingdom66 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:35 Euronyme wrote: Americans envy the French in every way possible, the English have them as rivals. There are also some irritation left as the French practically didn't fight in WW2, even though they practically caused it. You French did not cause WW2... What the fuck. | ||
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SnoWhiTe
France121 Posts
France usually take decision alone, Chirac decide to not engage our army into the Irak war. That's the type of decision who makes believe that we've got a lot of proud or something. Yes, if you go to Paris you'll see more people avoiding you than help you. Is it so different from other country when you're at the capital ? And for the french tourist, I certainly believe it's a minority who piss everybody. It's always the same for every country. I can say that I hate german for going into the south of France with their big mercedes and stuff, or the dutch with their caravan. It's also a minority but there is always one to see. So yeah I think french bashing is just "more famous" because of our past / present. But certainly not an exception | ||
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IveReturned
Turkey258 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:58 SilentchiLL wrote: Check the country he's from and the political problems between you lately. And Ive, I'd suggest that you don't forget the difference between a people and its gov. (though I was on the side of the frenchies in that one) I dont think any french would disagree with its gov. And why would you agree with the prevention of freedom of expression of thought? | ||
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3DGlaDOS
Germany607 Posts
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