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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 12:52:46
June 23 2011 12:52 GMT
#61
If I have no money for buying both game X and Y. I pirate game X and buy game Y. The company that made game X does not lose any money, nor do they lose potential profit since I wouldn't buy game X anyway.

I see nothing wrong with this.

The problem arises when you do have the money for both game X and Y and you pirate one or both. That is piracy.
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
June 23 2011 12:52 GMT
#62
Less QQ more make games buy-worthy
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Rossweazel
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom135 Posts
June 23 2011 12:55 GMT
#63
As someone who makes computer games for a living ( you know, to eat and have a place to live and so on ).

Please stop stealing the things I make.

As endearing as I find your semantic gymnastics to inform me that I am not losing anything, and the wonderful way i am told I should be grateful for the free exposure that piracy gives me, I would much rather pass up both opportunities and simply say:

Please stop stealing from me.

Thanks.
shikheh
Profile Joined May 2010
136 Posts
June 23 2011 12:55 GMT
#64
On June 23 2011 21:52 Thorakh wrote:
If I have no money for buying both game X and Y. I pirate game X and buy game Y. The company that made game X does not lose any money, nor do they lose potential profit since I wouldn't buy game X anyway.

I see nothing wrong with this.

The problem arises when you do have the money for both game X and Y and you pirate one or both. That is piracy.



Sure the company may not lose any profit or whatever...but you are still

using a product that is not yours and have not paid for the access or permission to use it.

Also, have you thought about the money they spent to make that product?

Slaytilost
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands968 Posts
June 23 2011 12:55 GMT
#65
On June 23 2011 21:55 Rossweazel wrote:
As someone who makes computer games for a living ( you know, to eat and have a place to live and so on ).

Please stop stealing the things I make.

As endearing as I find your semantic gymnastics to inform me that I am not losing anything, and the wonderful way i am told I should be grateful for the free exposure that piracy gives me, I would much rather pass up both opportunities and simply say:

Please stop stealing from me.

Thanks.

Quoted for truth!
Tarot
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada440 Posts
June 23 2011 12:56 GMT
#66
I always thought it was closer to counterfeiting than theft. Theft implies the other person loses something tangible. Either way it's still illegal.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 12:59:14
June 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#67
On June 23 2011 21:55 shikheh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:52 Thorakh wrote:
If I have no money for buying both game X and Y. I pirate game X and buy game Y. The company that made game X does not lose any money, nor do they lose potential profit since I wouldn't buy game X anyway.

I see nothing wrong with this.

The problem arises when you do have the money for both game X and Y and you pirate one or both. That is piracy.



Sure the company may not lose any profit or whatever...but you are still

using a product that is not yours and have not paid for the access or permission to use it.

Also, have you thought about the money they spent to make that product?

If the company does not lose any form of profit, be it potential or real, no one is harmed when I pirate game X. No one loses anything and I gain something. Nothing wrong with that.

Digital data is umlimited. The company does not suddenly have 1 copy of game X less.

But as I said, if you would have bought the game if you wouldn't have pirated it, then you're committing a crime.
Slaytilost
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 13:00:48
June 23 2011 13:00 GMT
#68
Thats like riding the train without a ticket, and when you get busted saying you didnt deserve the ticket because you wouldnt have used the train if you had to buy one.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 23 2011 13:01 GMT
#69
As stated multiple times in the thread, piracy is not theft.

It's counterfeiting.

Two different things.
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
June 23 2011 13:04 GMT
#70
On June 23 2011 21:52 Thorakh wrote:
If I have no money for buying both game X and Y. I pirate game X and buy game Y. The company that made game X does not lose any money, nor do they lose potential profit since I wouldn't buy game X anyway.

I see nothing wrong with this.

The problem arises when you do have the money for both game X and Y and you pirate one or both. That is piracy.


What about buying game Y, wait until you have the money to buy game X or game X gets cheaper and then buy game X?

Not having the money is no excuse for downloading games. If you don't have the money to buy it, why do you _have to_ get the game _now_? Why not wait until next month and buy it then?
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
June 23 2011 13:07 GMT
#71
There is also the stipulation that a lot of these things were overpriced due to overhead costs and that piracy is a reaction to the fact that digital distribution makes things cost much more like it is worth. Hence the fact that the iTunes store is insanely popular right now.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
June 23 2011 13:07 GMT
#72
Everyone who is saying that piracy is not stealing has never ever tried to make and sell a game. Don't argue about this topic with random teenagers on internet. Just don't.
Flazer
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada7 Posts
June 23 2011 13:11 GMT
#73
If pirating is illegal then so should be scanning pages off of a book at a library to print out for use... oh wait. Lets also get rid of cameras taking pictures of the Mona Lisa/ other paintings, since that's stealing what the art piece looks like.

Its a funny topic to look at, some gaming companies now apply bonus map packs/ add-ons to download for money for their video games, which prevents piracy a bit, however it hurts the valued honest customer who doesn't pirate anything at all, making them all mad, etc etc.

If you support a game/ company/ people/ organization/ etc, spend money to buy their product to show your true support for them to further their goals and objectives.
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
June 23 2011 13:12 GMT
#74
On June 23 2011 22:07 Dariusz wrote:
Everyone who is saying that piracy is not stealing has never ever tried to make and sell a game. Don't argue about this topic with random teenagers on internet. Just don't.



Ok so lets be pragmatic. So it is theft, what are you going to do? Make more and more copy protection that pisses off your customer base and makes your software more annoying to use? Hope that the entire world all decides to gain a conscience all at once and all of a sudden start buying what is free? What is it you are suggesting here besides wagging your finger at people?

What we need to do is face up that intellectual property beams precisely null in a world where something like the internet exists and move on. What does that mean for the little game developers that could? Let me direct you to the XBox arcade and Steam.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
June 23 2011 13:13 GMT
#75
People still pirate games? I havent done that for like 4years or something. The big problem is that there are so few games worth buying and you feel ripped off almost everytime you pay for a game nowadays.
Like you buy a game in the NFS-series and think yay, lets drive some cool cars on cool roads. Well you cant. First you have to spend about 24hours of gametime to do some broken annoying careermode with catchup before you can start playing the game.
I honestly think bad games are hurting the industry more than pirates. Just look att the sucess of minecraft.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 13:14:17
June 23 2011 13:13 GMT
#76
There is nothing in depth about this OP at all, and stop plugging your crap. Your post is far more fickle than most IP discussions people start on this site and given how often you have plugged your different websites, I'm going to say no.
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