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even if he isn't good.Ahk-GoSu vs Tfeign Best of Three Game Report - Page 11
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typhy
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even if he isn't good. | ||
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Hippopotamus
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VorteXXX
United States430 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
its ok to make fun of people who act like idiots you guys. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
you're a moron tfeign did us all a favor by making this thread | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28796 Posts
On November 03 2004 04:35 Gandalf the Wizard wrote: Theres a rekrul vs nazgul game in which nazgul was winning, but then a single dt from rekrul got some 35 or so kills and that turned the game in his favor. Anyways, ahk said manner>skill and I agree with that. He accepted the challenge and he's willing to rematch. I was going to post something similar while I don't think ahk-gosu is even close to being a "good" player, losing 22 probes against a dt is something any player in the world regardless of skill can end up doing. you don't get a warning, thus it's pretty much luck based if you notice it or not, unless you're a player who looks at his supply all the time, which is something most people don't. in fact, if there's fighting going on, you're going to be either very lucky, or very BAD to notice a dt before it kills 12+ probes. didn't bother watching the replay so I dunno if there was fighting going on, I guess not. but either way that doesn't mean jack shit. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28796 Posts
that's one of the few moments where being condescending is actually a good thing.  | ||
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typhy
129 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28796 Posts
likewise, you want to spend your time killing probes with dt over microing 4 goons vs 4 goons. once again I didn't watch the replay, and if there was no fighting or scouting whatsoever going on, it's definitely not *good*. but it doesn't mean jack shit. it's like saying someone is bad because he loses once against a 5pool. | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
He definitely had the right to do this in such a manner and if I would have done the same (was looking to), I would have trash talked him much worse. Notice how ahk-gosu says he has a chance to win, he doesn't, I believe he legitimately believes he has skill and to let him live this fantasy is practically a crime in my book. Ignorance leads to too many problems, one being that they start ranting about how progamres aren't that great, put useless comments backed up by curses in strategy forums...wait.. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Ahk-gosu lost badly, But we shouldn't flame him the way we do. | ||
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Wirthi
Germany395 Posts
And that's what happend, a thing he should learn has been tought to him. | ||
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
and about ahk-gosu's losing so many probes to a DT, i wasnt going to say anything for fear of persecution, but i dont think it's true to say that "any good player in any shape would never lose 22 probes to a DT" if the guy hasnt been playing much recently, then the first things to go will be his micro/macro/general speed.. so him getting "outplayed" is not proof to me that he is not good. the strategies and tactics that he relied on when he had the speed are going to fail, and you wont even get to see his overall strategy and skill. if he truly is out of shape, then you must give him a chance to get in shape and show what he knows. personally, since im pretty out of shape, i wouldnt even attempt the strats i used when i was at my best, cuz they'd crumble under my inability to execute them.. so if you saw me play now, you'd just see me doing general unoriginal strats and executing them poorly, and i'd look really really bad.. and that's not a fair assessment ok carry on ;o | ||
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Gandalf the Wizard
United States163 Posts
On November 03 2004 07:10 Wirthi wrote: What's the point here ? I agree that losing 22 probes to a DT can happen, but not to a player who considers himself capable of beating pro gamers. Come on, on the one hand tfeign wanted to embarrass gosu, but on the other gosu's first post to this site was this "pro gamers don't impress me" thing. It's necessary somebody tells him: buddy, you might be a nice guy, but dont praise yourself in such a ridiculous way. And that's what happend, a thing he should learn has been tought to him. Lots of progamers have lost dozens of probes to dts. Lots of progamers have lost games because of dts once in a while. Even drone said that can happen once in a while even to top level gamers, so it doesnt mean much. And we all respect drones opinion. | ||
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Gandalf the Wizard
United States163 Posts
A lot of people got pissed at ahk-gosu because of his i-can-beat-progamers post. But after 11 pages of flaming, how can you expect ahk NOT to be at least slightly pissed? | ||
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Alpha
France1495 Posts
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
and see what happens. since travis said its ok to insult someone with threads if they act like idiots, i will do this if i beat tfeign. thx | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On November 03 2004 07:22 Gandalf the Wizard wrote: I think we've all been reading too much into what tfeign and ahk-gosu said and all this flaming has crucified them both. Maybe this thread should be closed and a small post be made about the rematch? A lot of people got pissed at ahk-gosu because of his i-can-beat-progamers post. But after 11 pages of flaming, how can you expect ahk NOT to be at least slightly pissed? After the comments he made, he should expect to get slammed for losing to a random person. There should be two more rematches, both best of three, I think. That way, if they really wanted to, they could prove who the better player was (unless tfeign is to win again). That way, no one can say, "We split a series of BO3, you're still not better than me... blah blah... we won the same amount of games vs each other... blah blah." For gosu to come back and make a flame thread about beating him the next time, if he was to do so, would only make him look WORSE, because, if he is as good as he said he was, he shouldn't have lost this series, and the next should be a given-- if he's that good. | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
On November 03 2004 07:18 NonY wrote: yea, i gotta agree with some of the previous posts.. the tfeign bashing for hitting so many hotkeys is kind of dumb. i mean, what if someone has a habit of scrolling the screen around a lot? or moving his mouse in circles a lot? these actions are constant, fast movements that have the possibility of helping someone's game, but are most likely just a habit that makes people comfortable.. just like hitting hotkeys repeatedly. so tfeign does something that we can analyze from bwchart - big deal and about ahk-gosu's losing so many probes to a DT, i wasnt going to say anything for fear of persecution, but i dont think it's true to say that "any good player in any shape would never lose 22 probes to a DT" if the guy hasnt been playing much recently, then the first things to go will be his micro/macro/general speed.. so him getting "outplayed" is not proof to me that he is not good. the strategies and tactics that he relied on when he had the speed are going to fail, and you wont even get to see his overall strategy and skill. if he truly is out of shape, then you must give him a chance to get in shape and show what he knows. personally, since im pretty out of shape, i wouldnt even attempt the strats i used when i was at my best, cuz they'd crumble under my inability to execute them.. so if you saw me play now, you'd just see me doing general unoriginal strats and executing them poorly, and i'd look really really bad.. and that's not a fair assessment ok carry on ;o because he didn't 'move his mouse around' simply to post a thread about it and make specific note about how fast he moved his mouse around to make himself look like a good starcraft player? He hotkeyed his nexus multiple times and went to town on those fucking keys and then had the audacity to post a direct comparison of his apm and goku's as if his meant something, when the reality was tfeign is a 100 apm player if he isn't setting out to artificially inflate his apm. it's pathetic to spam so much, it's even more pathetic (and stupid) to include your inflated apm in your post as a means of putting down the person you played against. The only reason he put that there was to make himself far superior than what he is. Honestly thinking your ability to cycle to your nexus 300 times a minute has a real world application in SC is about as deluded as ahk-goku thinking he can beat pros. In other words it's as fraudulent and pathetic as I initially said it was edit: cycling your hotkeys is a good thing, keeping your hands moving is also a good thing. Doing it for no reason (hotkeying stupid shit just to spam it) is counter productive. Showing off your fake apm is retarded. Therefore it is my conclusion that this was a battle of retards and that tfeign setting out to disprove this guys claims to be greater than he is was hypocritical when tfeign goes out of his own way to make himself look greater than he is as well | ||
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