This is what I know, The two guys who are deaf were in the Clothing store XXI and apparently they were shopping, Staff must have seen them do something to suspect them of stealing, but that doesn't have any support or facts. Before I started filming. The Big Black dude in Jeans who mighta been a store detective jumps and tackles the large hispanic deaf guy. from there I remembered my new phone and turned on the camera,
There was who looked to be the manager of XXI that said to turn off the camera because they didn't want to get exposed for harassing and dealing with a situation that turned sour.
From there, you get to see the turn of events and then in the aftermath, the sorting out of exactly what happen. From what I saw that you guys can't, the deaf guy in the white shirt was apparently assuring the store with receipts for what he was carrying.
If you guy are better than I at figuring this out or have the facts then PM me and I'll post it in the Description here below. Also if this was a whole misunderstanding, then those deaf people have a case and someone needs to help them. And if you are the ones who were in this situation, then contact a lawyer and have them look at this video. It's proof positive that the Black guy did not know how to restrain you, More over, he was nearly choking you to death by the purplish color you had on your face.
Here is some info about the store. I have no info about any of the people involved, so good luck.
XXI 6801 Hollywood Blvd #1C-134 Los Angeles, CA 90028 Neighborhood: Hollywood
Don't know how many of your saw this, but I just ran across it and was utterly disgusted. Who the hell do these wannabe cops think they are choking a person like that? I seriously hope this store sued to hell for this and I seriously hope those thugs get arrested.
Wow that was disgusting. The guy getting choked was obviously tapping out, and the mall cop just kept trying to choke him. They weren't fighting back and as a martal artist (or, heck, as a person with common sense), I know that there are a million and one way to restrain someone without turning them until their face turns purple.
And it should have been clear that the guys getting restrained didn't understand what was going on (being deaf means you can't hear the store alarm), and yet... Ugh. Idiots...
wtf was that chubby black kid with a screeching voice at 2:46?? was that a voice box? frigging scary. and at the end he just stood in front of the store for a while.
there are 100 fucking people around and no one is fucking helping the guy that is getting strangled, thats more like wtf to me but all of it is bol shit fire fire fire these guys and sue sue sue
Since when does shoplifting suddenly turn into the NFL, thats just plain assault and I have no idea why noone there phoned the police. Being a hired security gaurd (afaik) doesn't allow you to pursue vigilante justice against a non hostile target.
On August 13 2010 02:46 XazXio wrote: there are 100 fucking people around and no one is fucking helping the guy that is getting strangled, thats more like wtf to me but all of it is bol shit fire fire fire these guys and sue sue sue
You can't really blame the people. They see two guards attacking two random guys and they have no idea what's going on. What do you expect them to do?
And also, it's a very common effect when a crowd witnesses something. Everyone expects someone else than him/herself to intervene. Are you really sure you would do something to help him rather than just standing there watching?
As for the guards, I hope they get fired at least.
It seems several people have contacted various law enforcement agencies and media outlets in regard to the incident. I wasn't present, but rather happened to run across the YouTube video. I felt that it might help to spread it and give it some more exposure to make sure that they don't get away with quietly sweeping this incident under the rug. This is gross misconduct on the part of the employees involved and at very LEAST they should be fired if not arrested themselves for assault...
On August 13 2010 02:50 LegendaryZ wrote: It seems several people have contacted various law enforcement agencies and media outlets in regard to the incident. I wasn't present, but rather happened to run across the YouTube video. I felt that it might help to spread it and give it some more exposure to make sure that they don't get away with quietly sweeping this incident under the rug. This is gross misconduct on the part of the employees involved and at very LEAST they should be fired if not arrested themselves for assault...
yeah i fixed it now, didn't realize it until later ^^;
The fact that the guys were deaf is a tricky issue. They didn't hear the store alarm but... what would you think if you were security and people were ignoring you when you told them to come back in after the alarm went off?
While I agree the way in which events transpired needs to be carefully evaluated... like usual everyone is too quick to place blame and call for the heads of the security guards rather than investigate further exactly what happened and why.
On August 13 2010 02:53 Therickz wrote: They were obviously doing their freaking job -.-
That fuking deaf dude went freaking mental, how would you handle that?
this is retarded.
What?! He was choking the shit out of him for NO REASON. Instead of acting rationally and just confronting the guy and asking him for receipts, he just tackles him and then chokes him until he's turning purple while the whole time he's tapping the security guard(aka, the universal I give up sign). The whole thing is a ridiculous misuse of what little power they had.
On August 13 2010 02:53 Therickz wrote: They were obviously doing their freaking job -.-
That fuking deaf dude went freaking mental, how would you handle that?
this is retarded.
We didn't get to see what happened before the african guy started choking the dead guy but I think it's safe to assume that they used excessive force in detaining them. Unless he's running away or actually attacking someone there's really no need to put your hands on him.
On August 13 2010 02:56 micronesia wrote: The fact that the guys were deaf is a tricky issue. They didn't hear the store alarm but... what would you think if you were security and people were ignoring you when you told them to come back in after the alarm went off?
While I agree the way in which events transpired needs to be carefully evaluated... like usual everyone is too quick to place blame and call for the heads of the security guards rather than investigate further exactly what happened and why.
only scenario i can think of is the guard following them, and giving proper authorities on their whereabouts.
this went out of hand, security guards jobs are meant to keep the store secure.
hence the job title.
not play save-the-fucking-day and attack people, and almost kill them
On August 13 2010 02:56 micronesia wrote: The fact that the guys were deaf is a tricky issue. They didn't hear the store alarm but... what would you think if you were security and people were ignoring you when you told them to come back in after the alarm went off?
While I agree the way in which events transpired needs to be carefully evaluated... like usual everyone is too quick to place blame and call for the heads of the security guards rather than investigate further exactly what happened and why.
Good point, but it didn't really look like the deaf guys was running away or something.
This is messed up, something seriously needs to be done with the security system there to avoid messy and unnecessary issues like this. I highly doubt those guards were "trained" to tackle anyone who they think is shop lifting.
On August 13 2010 02:53 Therickz wrote: They were obviously doing their freaking job -.-
That fuking deaf dude went freaking mental, how would you handle that?
this is retarded.
did you see the deaf dude going mental? all I saw was him constantly tapping the guy's shoulder to let him BREATHE, and the guy constantly choking him for no reason. what, are you the guard or something? And of course the deaf guy would be kinda freaked, he's getting choked for no apparent reason, he's freaking deaf dammit.
On August 13 2010 02:56 micronesia wrote: The fact that the guys were deaf is a tricky issue. They didn't hear the store alarm but... what would you think if you were security and people were ignoring you when you told them to come back in after the alarm went off?
While I agree the way in which events transpired needs to be carefully evaluated... like usual everyone is too quick to place blame and call for the heads of the security guards rather than investigate further exactly what happened and why.
But it is not the place of a security guard to assault someone. If the situation is that out of hand then they should of just called the cops and let them deal with it.
On August 13 2010 02:53 Therickz wrote: They were obviously doing their freaking job -.-
That fuking deaf dude went freaking mental, how would you handle that?
this is retarded.
What?! He was choking the shit out of him for NO REASON. Instead of acting rationally and just confronting the guy and asking him for receipts, he just tackles him and then chokes him until he's turning purple while the whole time he's tapping the security guard(aka, the universal I give up sign). The whole thing is a ridiculous misuse of what little power they had.
For no reason? The guard were obviously retraining the person, the deaf guys are the ones going nuts, dont jump the gun and say
OMFG FUCK THE POLICE THEY HURT INNOCENT PEOPLE ALL THE TIME DERP.
they are doing their job, if you were a security guard and the alarm went off and the person that set it off did not react and didnt listen to commands, its EASY to think that they have stole something.
And STEALING is ILLEGAL, you can go to jail for that shit.
As for : why the crowd DIDNT intervene, what if the guard were restraining a murderer, or maybe a rapist and a crowd gathered, and if you were to intervene that situation, you are helping a killer/rapist.
On August 13 2010 02:53 Therickz wrote: They were obviously doing their freaking job -.-
That fuking deaf dude went freaking mental, how would you handle that?
this is retarded.
did you see the deaf dude going mental? all I saw was him constantly tapping the guy's shoulder to let him BREATHE, and the guy constantly choking him for no reason. what, are you the guard or something? And of course the deaf guy would be kinda freaked, he's getting choked for no apparent reason, he's freaking deaf dammit.
Did you not notice that freaking monkey jumping around his friend?
im pretty sure if i was there i would have told that guy to stop choking him or i would go down there and pull him the fuck off of him immediately. he could have killed the guy
that's pretty much the only issue i have with the video
On August 13 2010 02:56 micronesia wrote: The fact that the guys were deaf is a tricky issue. They didn't hear the store alarm but... what would you think if you were security and people were ignoring you when you told them to come back in after the alarm went off?
While I agree the way in which events transpired needs to be carefully evaluated... like usual everyone is too quick to place blame and call for the heads of the security guards rather than investigate further exactly what happened and why.
You have to understand that probably the deaf guys were not running away like crazy, they are deaf, didnt hear the alarm and probably were walking out calmly. The security guards acted like they were terrorists trying to escape....
Thats just my assumption since we cannot judge what happened before the video.
On August 13 2010 02:56 micronesia wrote: The fact that the guys were deaf is a tricky issue. They didn't hear the store alarm but... what would you think if you were security and people were ignoring you when you told them to come back in after the alarm went off?
While I agree the way in which events transpired needs to be carefully evaluated... like usual everyone is too quick to place blame and call for the heads of the security guards rather than investigate further exactly what happened and why.
only scenario i can think of is the guard following them, and giving proper authorities on their whereabouts.
this went out of hand, security guards jobs are meant to keep the store secure.
hence the job title.
not play save-the-fucking-day and attack people, and almost kill them
I know security guards often restrain shoplifters until cops arrive... what they are and are not allowed to do in order to restrain shoplifters I do not know and I think we need to evaluate carefully before accusing these security guards of doing something completely different than their job description or legal right.
On August 13 2010 02:56 micronesia wrote: The fact that the guys were deaf is a tricky issue. They didn't hear the store alarm but... what would you think if you were security and people were ignoring you when you told them to come back in after the alarm went off?
While I agree the way in which events transpired needs to be carefully evaluated... like usual everyone is too quick to place blame and call for the heads of the security guards rather than investigate further exactly what happened and why.
But it is not the place of a security guard to assault someone. If the situation is that out of hand then they should of just called the cops and let them deal with it.
To those of you even remotely defending these security guards, let me give you a big FUCK YOU! These poor guys didn't do anything wrong. I don't give a shit if they actually stole something, and they weren't deaf, you still don't choke someone out to detain them. That is assault, and that is not part of any security officer's job. The guys friend was holding the receipt and trying to show them that everything was paid for, and yet they still continued to choke him out.
Therickz, what are you 12? Jesus titty fucking Christ people like you make me sick. You are an ignorant prick calling a distressed deaf man whos friend is in extreme danger for no reason a "dancing monkey." WTF can some1 please ban this kid from TL.
On August 13 2010 03:05 Therickz wrote: Did you not notice that freaking monkey jumping around his friend?
if your friend is getting choked to death and is turning purple you are just going to stand there? great friend you are, dumbass
The monkey wouldnt have needed to react that insane, IM pretty sure if they would have reacted in a calmer way NOTHING of this choking bullshit would have happend
On August 13 2010 03:07 Hawk wrote: I usually side with authority in shit like this... but you don't choke out a subdued suspect. Fuck. That is dumb.
Agreed. The guard on the floor had plenty of opportunities to detain the target without a submission. The problem is, he might not have had the proper training to realize this and to actually restrain someone without a choke. Bottom line: huge security guard hired for being huge.
On August 13 2010 02:53 Therickz wrote: They were obviously doing their freaking job -.-
That fuking deaf dude went freaking mental, how would you handle that?
this is retarded.
What?! He was choking the shit out of him for NO REASON. Instead of acting rationally and just confronting the guy and asking him for receipts, he just tackles him and then chokes him until he's turning purple while the whole time he's tapping the security guard(aka, the universal I give up sign). The whole thing is a ridiculous misuse of what little power they had.
For no reason? The guard were obviously retraining the person, the deaf guys are the ones going nuts, dont jump the gun and say
OMFG FUCK THE POLICE THEY HURT INNOCENT PEOPLE ALL THE TIME DERP.
they are doing their job, if you were a security guard and the alarm went off and the person that set it off did not react and didnt listen to commands, its EASY to think that they have stole something.
And STEALING is ILLEGAL, you can go to jail for that shit.
As for : why the crowd DIDNT intervene, what if the guard were restraining a murderer, or maybe a rapist and a crowd gathered, and if you were to intervene that situation, you are helping a killer/rapist.
On August 13 2010 02:53 Therickz wrote: They were obviously doing their freaking job -.-
That fuking deaf dude went freaking mental, how would you handle that?
this is retarded.
did you see the deaf dude going mental? all I saw was him constantly tapping the guy's shoulder to let him BREATHE, and the guy constantly choking him for no reason. what, are you the guard or something? And of course the deaf guy would be kinda freaked, he's getting choked for no apparent reason, he's freaking deaf dammit.
Did you not notice that freaking monkey jumping around his friend?
Choking is completely unnecessary to restrain someone. Also, you don't shout at someone from inside the store and give them commands. You walk(or run) up to them and confront them. Security guards are not police and they don't have the authority police do.
he's not a monkey, he's a deaf guy. you're a fucking moron, holy shit
what, are you just trying to upset people by calling him a monkey? because it's working, get the fuck out of here. seriously what you are saying is the stupidest shit i've ever read. clearly he should just stand there and watch
in other news this is why it pays to be in really good shape so you aren't afraid of big strong morons
On August 13 2010 03:05 Therickz wrote: Did you not notice that freaking monkey jumping around his friend?
if your friend is getting choked to death and is turning purple you are just going to stand there? great friend you are, dumbass
The monkey wouldnt have needed to react that insane, IM pretty sure if they would have reacted in a calmer way NOTHING of this choking bullshit would have happend
the guy is what, 140 lbs? compared to the giant fucking ape attacking his friend. he's no threat, sir. and what, you expect him to be calm as his friend is about to meet his maker? you're out of your fucking mind. really.
On August 13 2010 03:11 travis wrote: he's not a monkey, he's a deaf guy. you're a fucking moron, holy shit
what, are you just trying to upset people by calling him a monkey? because it's working, get the fuck out of here. seriously what you are saying is the stupidest shit i've ever read. clearly he should just stand there and watch
in other news this is why it pays to be in really good shape so you aren't afraid of big strong morons
People are calling other people alot worse thing than a monkey dude, if you get upset by that, you got issues yo, or you just get offended real quickly
and like i said if the deaf guys didnt react so insane im sure the outcome would have been diffrent.
On August 13 2010 03:11 travis wrote: he's not a monkey, he's a deaf guy. you're a fucking moron, holy shit
I think people are jumping on the 'monkey' thing too much actually.
He's being characterized as a monkey because he was jumping around in a way that we often associate with monkeys. Not because he was deaf or stressed or whatever... it was a dumb comment but I don't think it was inspired in an ignorant manner...
On August 13 2010 03:11 travis wrote: he's not a monkey, he's a deaf guy. you're a fucking moron, holy shit
what, are you just trying to upset people by calling him a monkey? because it's working, get the fuck out of here. seriously what you are saying is the stupidest shit i've ever read. clearly he should just stand there and watch
in other news this is why it pays to be in really good shape so you aren't afraid of big strong morons
People are calling other people alot worse thing than a monkey dude, if you get upset by that, you got issues yo, or you just get offended real quickly
and like i said if the deaf guys didnt react so insane im sure the outcome would have been diffrent.
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