All the winners from day 1 will advance. That's what happened 2 days ago. Nice banner, especially the lettering for AVALON. What kind of style is that DT?
Fantasy should win verse Bisu but if Bisu can just manage to get 1 game more out of Fantasy, Bisu might take this set....all Bisu needs to do is do a successful cheese...come onnnnnn Kim Taek Young!
Bisu has to lose. He is the only Protoss left in any of the three leagues.
I want Effort and Jaedong to advance at the very least so they can play each other again! Epic rivalry shaping up there maybe. JD plays a big part in eliminating Effort from OSL, Effort eliminates JD from GOM and HOPEFULLY ends up eliminating JD from MSL too. Hell yeah. Go Effort.
would be cool to see some protosses advance in this league, but not Kal because Jaedong needs to win, so that leaves only Bisu whom i don't like... well lets let him get through so he can get stomped by JD! ;D
also would love to see UpMagiC advance, i like the guy!
On July 16 2009 11:12 Shikyo wrote: Wow, reading this thread and looking at the next GOM games made me realize, Iris is all of a sudden doing really well.
Yeah he is, but for some reason people keep overlooking it and referring to him as like, a bygone of another era. Of course he aint the iris of the past, he aint what he once was- but hes certainly been rejuvenated lately. Im happy.
On July 16 2009 11:39 pripple wrote: that is some amazing art on the OP, nice!
would be cool to see some protosses advance in this league, but not Kal because Jaedong needs to win, so that leaves only Bisu whom i don't like... well lets let him get through so he can get stomped by JD! ;D
also would love to see UpMagiC advance, i like the guy!
How can you like JD but dislike Bisu? They're like a set. If you dont like one, you cant like the other
On July 16 2009 12:29 Jaksiel wrote: Why were there two posts saying Bisu is the only Toss left when Kal is also playing tonight?
On July 16 2009 11:39 pripple wrote: that is some amazing art on the OP, nice!
would be cool to see some protosses advance in this league, but not Kal because Jaedong needs to win, so that leaves only Bisu whom i don't like... well lets let him get through so he can get stomped by JD! ;D
also would love to see UpMagiC advance, i like the guy!
How can you like JD but dislike Bisu? They're like a set. If you dont like one, you cant like the other
What!? I agree that they are a set in the sense that they have a great rivalry, but come on. It's like saying that you have to like Coke and Pepsi when Coke is clearly better, but the fact that they are a sort of pair means that you have to enjoy both.
On July 16 2009 11:39 pripple wrote: that is some amazing art on the OP, nice!
would be cool to see some protosses advance in this league, but not Kal because Jaedong needs to win, so that leaves only Bisu whom i don't like... well lets let him get through so he can get stomped by JD! ;D
also would love to see UpMagiC advance, i like the guy!
How can you like JD but dislike Bisu? They're like a set. If you dont like one, you cant like the other
What!? I agree that they are a set in the sense that they have a great rivalry, but come on. It's like saying that you have to like Coke and Pepsi when Coke is clearly better, but the fact that they are a sort of pair means that you have to enjoy both.
On July 16 2009 11:39 pripple wrote: that is some amazing art on the OP, nice!
would be cool to see some protosses advance in this league, but not Kal because Jaedong needs to win, so that leaves only Bisu whom i don't like... well lets let him get through so he can get stomped by JD! ;D
also would love to see UpMagiC advance, i like the guy!
How can you like JD but dislike Bisu? They're like a set. If you dont like one, you cant like the other
What!? I agree that they are a set in the sense that they have a great rivalry, but come on. It's like saying that you have to like Coke and Pepsi when Coke is clearly better, but the fact that they are a sort of pair means that you have to enjoy both.
On July 16 2009 11:39 pripple wrote: that is some amazing art on the OP, nice!
would be cool to see some protosses advance in this league, but not Kal because Jaedong needs to win, so that leaves only Bisu whom i don't like... well lets let him get through so he can get stomped by JD! ;D
also would love to see UpMagiC advance, i like the guy!
How can you like JD but dislike Bisu? They're like a set. If you dont like one, you cant like the other
What!? I agree that they are a set in the sense that they have a great rivalry, but come on. It's like saying that you have to like Coke and Pepsi when Coke is clearly better, but the fact that they are a sort of pair means that you have to enjoy both.
Coke is much more jaedong than pepsi could ever hope to be. Pepsi may be sweet at first, but coke has such a smooth, sensual aftertaste just like that of jaedong's smoldering sexyness.
Also, I miss the pvz even though I often root for the zerg, I miss having the protoss around.
On July 16 2009 14:15 TwoStep wrote: I miss how no protoss goes for reaver/sair anymore. That was like the TvZ of PvZ.
You will enjoy the Reach vs. Yellow game from the e-Stars Heritage League then (if you haven't watched it of course). It was a total blast from the past, much like a lot of the games have been.
I wish I could stay up to watch tonight because there are a lot of good match up. But, I'm just too tired.
On July 16 2009 13:15 Trezeguet23 wrote: Effort Iris Jaedong Bisu
I hope to hell that Jaedong has righted the ship and can set sail to win both the MSL and OSL. + Show Spoiler +
The fact that flash is out of both sure will help a lot.
flash is the least of Jaedong's worries. I'd say fantasy, Bisu and even effort are faarrrrr more of a threat. If anything, flash might have been able to knock out fantasy or Bisu.
i think the most exciting part about these series is that all of these players except upmagic are in the pl playoffs. If hwasin goes 2-0 tonight can we consider him an ace instead of backup? If iris finishes him off can we have more confidence in his TvTs vs hite? And what if fantasy or bisu put up poor results? will belief in the 3-0 skt lead falter?
UpMagiC adds 2 starports, while EffOrt going spire. Leta style? :D Another bunch of lings gets to Up's main, scouts 2 startports and cloak research, kills vulture and get humiliated.
Valkyrie appeared from UpMagiC. A lot of wraights died, few mutas were sniped as well. Soon we gonna see some epic massacre from EffOrt as he's already 4 gas.
On July 16 2009 18:50 GTR wrote: this is like playing an island map for up, lol. devourer/plague/ensnare is going to rape him if effort knows what he's up to.
this map feels really unbalanced for zvt flash died cause of huge ridge of the natural easy for mutalisk harass and plus the 2 gas isolated by minerals so vultures can't harass
On July 16 2009 19:07 eyeballball3 wrote: this map feels really unbalanced for zvt flash died cause of huge ridge of the natural easy for mutalisk harass and plus the 2 gas isolated by minerals so vultures can't harass
yeah man i don't get why zergs don't have 75% on this map
On July 16 2009 19:07 eyeballball3 wrote: this map feels really unbalanced for zvt flash died cause of huge ridge of the natural easy for mutalisk harass and plus the 2 gas isolated by minerals so vultures can't harass
yeah man i don't get why zergs don't have 75% on this map
On July 16 2009 19:22 RoieTRS wrote: im pretty sure they changed the rules so PP is now legal rite?
yea, if I recall correctly now ppp or pp or even p (?) is now an accepted way to ask for a pause. I'm not 100% sure though.
Yes, that is correct. It's one of the few things kespa agreed to change, since there wasn't any valid reason to disqualify players for missing one letter.
On July 16 2009 19:25 JohnBall wrote: Suddenly realising the futility of human existence, Hwasin asks for a pause to contemplate upon his life for a minute.
loool!
konadora translates that hwasin got windowed out of sc, like alt + tab.
On July 16 2009 19:25 JohnBall wrote: Suddenly realising the futility of human existence, Hwasin asks for a pause to contemplate upon his life for a minute.
On July 16 2009 19:41 GTR wrote: lol key removing is fine, everyone does it. you'd be an idiot progamer NOT to remove certain keys for competitive use.
erm... like a windows key? edit: my point: there must be some reason Hwasin acted like "such" an idiot...
On July 16 2009 19:44 konadora wrote: Why the hell did I LB Upmagic and Hwasin when I was 100% sure EffOrt and Iris will win (and said that many times too)? fml
you are doomed to fail at predictions, even if you know the outcome
On July 16 2009 19:45 Oystein wrote: Do people actually ever press the windows key? Because in my 10 years of playing Starcraft I have hit it maybe once...
I love Razer for having 'gaming mode' that disables windows key
On July 16 2009 19:44 konadora wrote: Why the hell did I LB Upmagic and Hwasin when I was 100% sure EffOrt and Iris will win (and said that many times too)? fml
maybe u wanted to exploit ur prediction curse to make ur favorite players win?
I feel bad for Hwasin, but Iris' TvT is just too good. Iris is doing really well at the moment, I'm really looking forward to seeing him face off against Effort in the GOM league next Sunday!
On July 16 2009 19:45 Oystein wrote: Do people actually ever press the windows key? Because in my 10 years of playing Starcraft I have hit it maybe once...
I never hit it while playing SC, but it fucked me up many times in MMORPG i used to play -.-
On July 16 2009 20:00 538 wrote: I've been to the future: Kal > Jaedong on Outsider, Sair-Reaver Kal > Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, 3base goon-temp with mass DT harassment.
Your future was warped. wrong dimension.
This is the right one. Kal < Jaedong on Outsider, because he's Jaedong Kal < Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, Jaedong decided to lolrape Kal one more time for the lulz
On July 16 2009 20:00 538 wrote: I've been to the future: Kal > Jaedong on Outsider, Sair-Reaver Kal > Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, 3base goon-temp with mass DT harassment.
On July 16 2009 20:00 538 wrote: I've been to the future: Kal > Jaedong on Outsider, Sair-Reaver Kal > Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, 3base goon-temp with mass DT harassment.
On July 16 2009 20:00 538 wrote: I've been to the future: Kal > Jaedong on Outsider, Sair-Reaver Kal > Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, 3base goon-temp with mass DT harassment.
Your future was warped. wrong dimension.
This is the right one. Kal < Jaedong on Outsider, because he's Jaedong Kal < Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, Jaedong decided to lolrape Kal one more time for the lulz
On July 16 2009 20:00 538 wrote: I've been to the future: Kal > Jaedong on Outsider, Sair-Reaver Kal > Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge, 3base goon-temp with mass DT harassment.
your time machine seems to be malfunctioning
LOL, game 2 is not even on Outsider? I've been turly mislead to a twisted reality. Anyway, here's to hoping.
On July 16 2009 20:04 okum wrote: Jaedong sends his overlord in the right direction, intent on sacrificing it to the cannon god for better war fortune.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
sigh Fantasy's micro against that cheese was UNREAL but unfortunately that was like 4 pool vs. 14cc, once he decided to wall instead of simcity the game was over
On July 16 2009 20:49 faseman wrote: Stinky, moldy, terrible cheese!
Still I feel like fantasy could have won if he had countered earlier with a vulture
Bisu had already prepared for that, he began building the wall when his attack began, and the moment a vulture ran out, which Bisu would've seen, the wall would've been completed immediately
i really wonder if bisu just outthought fantasy in these two games or if they just made an arrangement to not train that much for this match so they both save time for other duties?
still, excellent game by bisu. he just showed fantasy that he still is the undoubted #1 on skt1!
Yay. I cant wait to get home and watch the JD - Kal game. JD playing is always amazing to watch and from the look of it, he played really well this game.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
Same guy talking about match-fixing the whole time in the other thread...
so 7 of the 8 matches went 2-0. only Flash managed to take it to 3rd map and lost still, not too close matchups, especially UpMagiC & Kal got owned bad in both of their games ;>
nice to see JD looking more fresh, some of the huge eyebags have gone aswell.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
Same guy talking about match-fixing the whole time in the other thread...
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
why do you people come up with shit like this
"You people" is largely just SuperArc. He's done it before and he'll do it again. Lamesauce.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
Same guy talking about match-fixing the whole time in the other thread...
because I was cheated out of some epic games
go bitch at someone else for a change, there are plenty of other progamers that cheated you out of "epic games"
Bisu vs Fantasy was a lot more entertaining than most of the Ro16 in this MSL
Ughh, I better get my Jaedong/Bisu matchup. It's disappointing as hell to see only one protoss remaining. Screw ZvZ. Who the hell wants to see that anyways.
On July 17 2009 01:13 Jaksiel wrote: I hope Effort can knock out JD again, Zero can definitely take this as long as he doesn't face JD but I can't see Calm or Canata beating JD.
unless bisu is undoubtly cursed against zero then its looking like bisu vs JD finals *hopefully* i dont see either of the terrans making it out but who know
edit: wait is it hero or zero that bisu alwasy loses to?
On July 17 2009 01:33 sung_moon wrote: shit calm.... dam lol
unless bisu is undoubtly cursed against zero then its looking like bisu vs JD finals *hopefully* i dont see either of the terrans making it out but who know
edit: wait is it hero or zero that bisu alwasy loses to?
On July 17 2009 01:33 sung_moon wrote: shit calm.... dam lol
unless bisu is undoubtly cursed against zero then its looking like bisu vs JD finals *hopefully* i dont see either of the terrans making it out but who know
edit: wait is it hero or zero that bisu alwasy loses to?
On July 17 2009 01:13 Jaksiel wrote: I hope Effort can knock out JD again, Zero can definitely take this as long as he doesn't face JD but I can't see Calm or Canata beating JD.
you're saying if Effort beats JD he doesnt have a chance against Zero? :p
On July 16 2009 23:36 Jonvvv wrote: btw, can someone link me a game that shows Kal's epic PvZ? Seriously, ive heard so much about it but never actually seen it.
oh man fantasy vs bisu was so depressing. I was hoping for a crazy fantasy ZvP on outsider with dropships and shuttles everywhere for a good 25 minutes. LAME
man this really is the golden age of Zerg isn't it? Or not really, just most of the dragons are slumping (jangbi/best/stork/free), flash lost and effort/calm/zero are doing really well right now.
oh man fantasy vs bisu was so depressing. I was hoping for a crazy fantasy ZvP on outsider with dropships and shuttles everywhere for a good 25 minutes. LAME
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
WTF man, all I recall you posting in LR threads was this stupid match-fixing shit for weeks now! stfu already, seriously!
First I tried to reason here, but I deleted it because I realized its of no use.
On July 17 2009 01:13 Jaksiel wrote: I hope Effort can knock out JD again, Zero can definitely take this as long as he doesn't face JD but I can't see Calm or Canata beating JD.
you're saying if Effort beats JD he doesnt have a chance against Zero? :p
No, I'm saying Zero has a chance to beat Effort but he doesn't really have a chance to beat Jaedong. I rate them Jaedong > Effort > Zero in ZvZ.
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
On July 17 2009 06:38 Ideas wrote: I just remembered. Whoever beats Hwasin in the MSL almost always wins, so since Iris defeated him I have to assume he will win the MSL now.
JD won against him in Arena and I can't think of any other recent examples except GOM S4 but that is an unfortunate coinincidence.
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
yeah and lost to ... Luxury XD
umm
luxury was actually a really good player before he hit his slump recently.
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
yeah and lost to ... Luxury XD
There was a time were Luxury was decent.
Not quite good... but decent enough ZvZ to be a threat.
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
yeah and lost to ... Luxury XD
Lux had 2nd best ZvZ at the time.
I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
yeah and lost to ... Luxury XD
Lux had 2nd best ZvZ at the time.
I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague
i think you should read the post you're replying to more carefully.
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
yeah and lost to ... Luxury XD
Lux had 2nd best ZvZ at the time.
I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague
I would say that you do not know how to read properly.
He said AT THE TIME. Back during Luxury's MSL run he was 2nd best ZvZ... as much as I HATE to admit it because he sucked at everything else.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
/facefalm
This is what happens to Fantasy when he facing the real S++ class players like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash. Fantasy is more comparable to Leta than Flash. 2 games, both rape.
Since Fantasy and Bisu are teammates, they are use to each other's style so more likely they do unorthodox builds. Cheesu FTW
On July 17 2009 06:38 Ideas wrote: I just remembered. Whoever beats Hwasin in the MSL almost always wins, so since Iris defeated him I have to assume he will win the MSL now.
JD won against him in Arena and I can't think of any other recent examples except GOM S4 but that is an unfortunate coinincidence.
Actually. Hwasin loses to the person who is going to win the MSL or the reigning champion last time nearly all of the time. Examples here: Lost Saga Lux 2-1 Hwasin Clubday Bisu 2-0 Hwasin Arena Jaedong 3-1 Hwasin GOM 4 Flash 2-0 Hwasin <Anomaly Here GOM 3 Bisu 2-1 Hwasin GOM 2 Bisu 3-2 Hwasin GOM 1 Savior 3-2 Hwasin
Its kind of a cool thing, but dont read too much to it as Hwasin has a 100% qualification rate to MSL ro16.
On July 17 2009 06:38 Ideas wrote: I just remembered. Whoever beats Hwasin in the MSL almost always wins, so since Iris defeated him I have to assume he will win the MSL now.
JD won against him in Arena and I can't think of any other recent examples except GOM S4 but that is an unfortunate coinincidence.
Actually. Hwasin loses to the person who is going to win the MSL or the reigning champion last time nearly all of the time. Examples here: Lost Saga Lux 2-1 Hwasin Clubday Bisu 2-0 Hwasin Arena Jaedong 3-1 Hwasin GOM 4 Flash 2-0 Hwasin <Anomaly Here GOM 3 Bisu 2-1 Hwasin GOM 2 Bisu 3-2 Hwasin GOM 1 Savior 3-2 Hwasin
Its kind of a cool thing, but dont read too much to it as Hwasin has a 100% qualification rate to MSL ro16.
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
/facefalm
This is what happens to Fantasy when he facing the real S++ class players like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash. Fantasy is more comparable to Leta than Flash. 2 games, both rape.
Did you not watch him in the last OSL vs Bisu and Jaedong? Also, there are about 4 or 5 S-class players. You don't really need S++.
On July 17 2009 05:53 Ideas wrote: if Zero keeps his momentum he totally has a chance vs effort and kwanro and maybe even JD. Back during his last streak Zero played REALLY good ZvZ.
yeah and lost to ... Luxury XD
Lux had 2nd best ZvZ at the time.
I would disagree and say Jaedong then Effort, no way luxury has 2nd best ZvZ when he's in neither starleague and epic fail in proleague
learn to read..Lux had 2nd best at the time. You obviously are very new to this scene so you should hold your mouth when you try to make lux sound like his spot was never above effort's
On July 16 2009 20:47 SuperArc wrote: So in game 1 the S-class fantasy TvP god gets completely outclassed. In game 2 the uncheesable fantasy doesn't even scout after rax and gets cheesed.
Either it is match fixing or fantasy didn't care at all about MSL.
/facefalm
This is what happens to Fantasy when he facing the real S++ class players like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash. Fantasy is more comparable to Leta than Flash. 2 games, both rape.
Ouch, so fantasy gets successfully cheesed for what seems like the first time this year and you pronounce him not a top player, significantly worse than Flash? Easy there, the last time fantasy faced another "S++ Class" (I thought S-class was exclusive...) player, it was in the OSL finals where he lost a thrilling series the Jaedong, and before that, in the semis, he rolled Bisu 3-0. Allow for some unpredictability in matches between teammates.
I'm amazed at how people still take Flash's supremacy over terran, and starcraft in general as a given. This guy's only even been in one star-league final. He has the third best TvZ right now. His TvP is rivaled by fantasy's. Face it; Flash is no longer the world's undisputed terran champion.
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