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11th June 2009, 1830KST, MBC Game
The Format: + Show Spoiler +Originally, each group plays out like this per day -
Game 1: A vs B
Game 2: C vs D
Game 3: Winner of Game 1 vs Winner of Game 2
Game 4: Loser of 1 vs Loser of Game 2
Game 5: Loser of Game 3 vs Winner of Game 4
Now, they are only playing Games 1~3 for TWO groups per day. Game 4~5 for the TWO groups will be played during another day.
In other words - Hwasin, Hiya, Luxury, Bisu, Jangbi and free aren't out yet. They play out on another day.
Group A Luxury < Heartbreak Ridge>  HwasinHiyA < Carthage 3> EffOrtWinners' Game: OutsiderGroup B JangBi < Byzantium 3> Bisufree < Outsider> KalWinners' Game: Carthage 3My predictions:+ Show Spoiler [Group A] +Luxury < Heartbreak Ridge> HwasinHwasin's trademark TvZ will shine here, going for his bionic build and putting Luxury out of his misery. HiyA < Carthage 3> EffOrtFirst game on Carthage 3, but with the only change being additional geysers, I see the map going slightly in favor of zergs. However, if Hiya pulls a mech build here, we may not know. But Effort will still rape Hiya here. Hwasin < Outsider> EffOrtNothing will stop EffOrt as he slowly paves his way to the Round of 16. JangBi < Byzantium 3> BisuWe all saw what happened the last time they met, and even further back during the ClubDay MSL. Bisu will once again defeat JangBi. free < Outsider> KalBoth of these guys have become SO bad, I really want both to just knock out each other and never appear in the MSL ever again. But that being impossible, I choose Kal, for he's showing to be slightly more ahead than free, who has just spiraled into a 'just another Protoss'. Bisu < Carthage 3> KalIf Jangbi can't stand up to Bisu, neither can Kal.
How to watch:
- Livestream: http://www.livestream.com/konadora/ , http://www.livestream.com/Zowstream , http://www.livestream.com/bolks
- Yaoyuan: http://yaoyuan.com/live.php (Need TVants, Open in Internet Explorer)
- Hanguo: http://live.plu.cn/hanguo/ (Need UUSee, Open in Internet Explorer)
- Wfbrood: http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/mbclive-uusee.html (Need UUsee, Open in Internet Explorer)
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konadora
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Polls Closed!
Group A:
Group B:
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Luxury is the reigning world champion of Starcraft. He will not lose today.
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I'm sad I can't stay up to see EffOrt play tonight. Oh well, I'm looking forward to some stellar ZvT in the morning.
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konadora
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I don't think I'll rage so hard if Hiya goes mech. Because Effort will still rape him anyway.
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On June 11 2009 15:59 konadora wrote:
I don't think I'll rage so hard if Hiya goes mech. Because Effort will still rape him anyway.
I'd be disappointed if I see mech tonight. I can deal with wraith into bio however
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Jangbi, you are a fool. You deliberately moved Bisu, not as far away from you as possible like any reasonable person would expect, but into the first match with you!
Do you think you can take Bisu? Do you honestly believe that you have what it takes to take him out in a Best of 3? + Show Spoiler +If so, your performance in the ProLeague certainly didn't show it. He smoked you like a joint.
Oh well. Your hubris will not go unrewarded. Bring whatever meticulously practiced cheese or whatever you want; it will do you no good. Bisu will crush you 2-0, and you will not see anything even remotely like your last MSL run.
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On June 11 2009 15:42 konadora wrote:
First game on Carthage 3, but with the only change being additional geysers, I see the map going slightly in favor of zergs.
With the additional geysers being on the 3rd expo, do you really think it's enough to turn around the 8-1 TvZ bias? Hopefully it will give zerg a better chance in the longer games, but I'm not sure that the change will make the map even slightly zerg favored.
BTW, I still think EffOrt will win.
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On June 11 2009 16:07 NicolBolas wrote:Jangbi, you are a fool. You deliberately moved Bisu, not as far away from you as possible like any reasonable person would expect, but into the first match with you!Do you think you can take Bisu? Do you honestly believe that you have what it takes to take him out in a Best of 3? + Show Spoiler +If so, your performance in the ProLeague certainly didn't show it. He smoked you like a joint. Oh well. Your hubris will not go unrewarded. Bring whatever meticulously practiced cheese or whatever you want; it will do you no good. Bisu will crush you 2-0, and you will not see anything even remotely like your last MSL run.
It's not Bo3. It's go big or go home for Jangbi, I guess. He doesn't want more silver.
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Kal's not doing THAT bad.
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The Bisu and JangBi should be a no brainier. I would see the matches live if it was not for the stupid dial-up connection.
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On June 11 2009 16:10 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Kal's not doing THAT bad.
That's why I chose Kal over free lol
Off-topic, but I'm streaming old VODs from Gilette OSL 2004 (July vs oOv Bo5, followed by Reach vs Silent_Control Bo5), join me at my livestream channel 
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On June 11 2009 16:07 NicolBolas wrote:Jangbi, you are a fool. You deliberately moved Bisu, not as far away from you as possible like any reasonable person would expect, but into the first match with you!Do you think you can take Bisu? Do you honestly believe that you have what it takes to take him out in a Best of 3? + Show Spoiler +If so, your performance in the ProLeague certainly didn't show it. He smoked you like a joint. Oh well. Your hubris will not go unrewarded. Bring whatever meticulously practiced cheese or whatever you want; it will do you no good. Bisu will crush you 2-0, and you will not see anything even remotely like your last MSL run.
+ Show Spoiler +Cool metaphor. In the PL match, he didn't do too badly. I was happy with how he played and keep in mind he needed to prepare for Fantasy too. Jangbi FTW!!
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wow @ top 4 Protoss going at it, don't think there will be an upset though with Bisu came out on top.
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On June 11 2009 16:11 Mori600 wrote:
The Bisu and JangBi should be a no brainier. I would see the matches live if it was not for the stupid dial-up connection.
Wow you joined TL on your birthday? Happy Birthday...
And Luxury... I believe...
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On June 11 2009 16:24 iLoveKT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 16:11 Mori600 wrote:
The Bisu and JangBi should be a no brainier. I would see the matches live if it was not for the stupid dial-up connection. Wow you joined TL on your birthday? Happy Birthday... And Luxury... I believe...
Happy birthday Mori600. Should have asked for broadband connection for birthday :D
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I just hope JangBi gets elimanted for torturing us with an all protoss group :[
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On June 11 2009 16:32 Doso wrote:
I just hope JangBi gets elimanted for torturing us with an all protoss group :[
At least there's no all-Terran group anymore lol
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On June 11 2009 16:07 NicolBolas wrote:Jangbi, you are a fool. You deliberately moved Bisu, not as far away from you as possible like any reasonable person would expect, but into the first match with you!Do you think you can take Bisu? Do you honestly believe that you have what it takes to take him out in a Best of 3? + Show Spoiler +If so, your performance in the ProLeague certainly didn't show it. He smoked you like a joint. Oh well. Your hubris will not go unrewarded. Bring whatever meticulously practiced cheese or whatever you want; it will do you no good. Bisu will crush you 2-0, and you will not see anything even remotely like your last MSL run.
You have it wrong, and you have an entire silly rant about it too.
Jangbi is doing an all or nothing maneuver, he doesn't want to get to the finals if it means losing there to Bisu. He wants Bisu out now, or he wants just to go home.
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8450 posts and still firebat, wow konadora, simply wow
I just care about bisu 2-0ing group and he will
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On June 11 2009 16:07 NicolBolas wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If so, your performance in the ProLeague certainly didn't show it. He smoked you like a joint.
+ Show Spoiler +really?
i only started watching the game right as the first fight began but what i saw was jangbi matching bisu with pretty sexy micro, ending the fight as a draw
then bisu just decided to take his nat earlier which converted into a humongous advantage that jangbi almost overcame with really good micro but it wasn't enough
at the least, it wasn't a dominating game from bisu, not even close
i think jangbi has a really good chance of winning his game
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On June 11 2009 16:57 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +really?
i only started watching the game right as the first fight began but what i saw was jangbi matching bisu with pretty sexy micro, ending the fight as a draw
then bisu just decided to take his nat earlier which converted into a humongous advantage that jangbi almost overcame with really good micro but it wasn't enough
at the least, it wasn't a dominating game from bisu, not even close i think jangbi has a really good chance of winning his game
So do I. Jangbi can be better than Bisu and tonight he will be
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still a bit over an hour zz
back to studying!
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People are too quick to count out Luxury, and too quick to jump on the Effort bandwagon. Remember that this isn't Proleague =d
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I hate stork / jangbi's cooperation. jangbi is being stork's bitch and giving stork an easy group while trying to eliminate the king of kings. oh well, bisu will make it out 2-0 anyway
so nice to be able to watch it on tv now ㅈㅈ
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On June 11 2009 17:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People are too quick to count out Luxury, and too quick to jump on the Effort bandwagon. Remember that this isn't Proleague =d
what about effort raping his group 4-0 at osl
:o
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On June 11 2009 17:26 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 17:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People are too quick to count out Luxury, and too quick to jump on the Effort bandwagon. Remember that this isn't Proleague =d
what about effort raping his group 4-0 at osl :o
+ Show Spoiler +
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That was to be expected, he was against Ruby, basically a walkover, and July who can't ZvZ.
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woah nice groups, i'm really looking forward to watching this 
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On June 11 2009 17:26 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 17:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People are too quick to count out Luxury, and too quick to jump on the Effort bandwagon. Remember that this isn't Proleague =d
what about effort raping his group 4-0 at osl :o
Oh yes. Only Luxury is effected by the different performing stages (PL, individual leagues). Where as Effort doesn't care and rips it up where ever he is hehe
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Meh. We'll see what happens.
(Watch as Effort gets OSL and MSL champ just to shit on all my predictions)
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Well, personally for me, I believe that EffOrt will not go far in both OSL / MSL... He's just a season star ;<
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On June 11 2009 16:10 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 16:07 NicolBolas wrote:Jangbi, you are a fool. You deliberately moved Bisu, not as far away from you as possible like any reasonable person would expect, but into the first match with you!Do you think you can take Bisu? Do you honestly believe that you have what it takes to take him out in a Best of 3? + Show Spoiler +If so, your performance in the ProLeague certainly didn't show it. He smoked you like a joint. Oh well. Your hubris will not go unrewarded. Bring whatever meticulously practiced cheese or whatever you want; it will do you no good. Bisu will crush you 2-0, and you will not see anything even remotely like your last MSL run. It's not Bo3. It's go big or go home for Jangbi, I guess. He doesn't want more silver.
He's gonna have a closet full of shame - and silver - before he knows it, so he may as well. I hope he makes it, but I highly doubt it'll happen ^^
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On June 11 2009 17:41 Felix da housecat wrote:Well, personally for me, I believe that EffOrt will not go far in both OSL / MSL... He's just a season star ;<
RAAAAGEEEEEEEE. He has been playing pretty epic lately, and I think/hope it is here to stay.
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On June 11 2009 17:42 Fredflintstone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 17:41 Felix da housecat wrote:Well, personally for me, I believe that EffOrt will not go far in both OSL / MSL... He's just a season star ;< RAAAAGEEEEEEEE. He has been playing pretty epic lately, and I think/hope it is here to stay.
No way is he just a season player! We'll see though. I would give effort a good chance of winning against anyone at the moment. You can't say that about too many players
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It's sad that I don't really have any hope of Free getting out of his group, with it being all PvP and how crappy he's been playing...
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Second time i agree with your predictions konadora, wtf is wrong with you !
Also, as pvp fan, 2nd group looks and will be fucking GREAT.
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Alright, another all-nighter for me. Who is with me?!?
Looking forward to 6 promising games. TvZ and PvP's wooooh
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On June 11 2009 17:49 Itachii wrote:
Second time i agree with your predictions konadora, wtf is wrong with you !
Also, as pvp fan, 2nd group looks and will be fucking GREAT.
Can't tell if that'll be a good thing or a bad thing lol
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I'm expecting Lux to smoke both Effort and Hwasin
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I like Hwasin and all, but I am predicting on Luxury making it out of this group 2-0...
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On June 11 2009 17:57 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 17:49 Itachii wrote:
Second time i agree with your predictions konadora, wtf is wrong with you !
Also, as pvp fan, 2nd group looks and will be fucking GREAT. Can't tell if that'll be a good thing or a bad thing lol
Oh, it's a good thing
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On June 11 2009 18:15 boesthius wrote:what
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On June 11 2009 18:18 Marine50 wrote:keep em coming!
That's not mine. I can't remember who made it but it was posted ages ago on TL.net )
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I think I'm going to grab the VOD's off afreeca again after the games are finished and post them here.
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Holiday in germany and no plans for the day for me. So I'm gonna watch my first live matches since months. Looking forward to the Bisu match.
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konadora
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On June 11 2009 18:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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Sick games tonight.
Lux, Effort, Jangbi, Kal.
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I'm looking forward to these TvZ's, and it's great to see that there's no shortage of streams ^^ Thanks konadora, sajrus and ZoW!
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Hwasing > Luxury
Effort > Hiya
Hwasing > Effort
Jangbi > Bisu
free > Kal
Jangbi > free
cant wait >.<
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imo hiya will advance from this group, but he's going to go 2-1, losing the first game to effort
the PvP group is such a tossup. Anything can happen imo, even if Bisu and Jangbi are heavy favorites
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oh nice, they're showing us the player's handles now instead of just their korean names
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Oh man, Luxury's last 10 game is 8 straight losts and 2 wins from this week
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i love msl's new presentation method now, cooler than the osl.
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hwasin > lux
effort > hiya
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effort > hwasin
effort advances
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jangbi > bisu
kal > free
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jangbi > kal
jangbi advances
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Nice 3D picture. BTW HwaSin TvZ record is pretty impressive.
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konadora
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On June 11 2009 18:41 Felix da housecat wrote:
Nice 3D picture. BTW HwaSin TvZ record is pretty impressive.
He is, THE RED SNIPERR
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On June 11 2009 18:41 Felix da housecat wrote:
Nice 3D picture. BTW HwaSin TvZ record is pretty impressive.
Hes always been a TvZ beast. Fingers crossed for some even epic game hey?
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IT'S DA CHINESE GUY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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You can tell how Luxury is going to play today by his hair.
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WTF Chinese guy owned stream chat, lol.
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Kona ty for stream you are the best
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Thanks for locking chat, Kona
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can someone explain why hwasin is the red sniper? I tried to do a search but couldn't find it.
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That was terrible vult :<
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Awww, HwaSin going mech ;<
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CHINESE GUY MAKES MY EARS BLEED
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Mech is lame, Hwasin.
I want blood everywhere, make that happen with marines.
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It's weird to see Hwasin goi mech, he is such a good bio player
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konadora
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nice vulture, killing two drones that were maynarding
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Nice drone sniping with vulture
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konadora
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hey what's going on in bolks' stream?
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Anyone know of a way to watch this with 56k? I hate when I visit people that dont have high speed 
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Dude Lux is looking so bad... Hwasin is gonna roll him if he doesn't apply some sort of pressure. My god.
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hahaha, Chinese guy calls Hwasin "Hua Sheng," which is Chinese for peanuts.
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Luxury is losing so many hydras to mines, it's like a PvT with no obs.
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Luxury lost all his mutas for only a couple scvs and 1-2 tanks. He's massively behind 3 base to 3.
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Luxury rebuilt mutas and going for a hydra drop.
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lmao loses half a dozen mutalisks to goliaths
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Lux is going to be completely raped.
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Drop did great damage with mutas sniping tanks, turned game around completely.
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konadora
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wow drops like 3 control groups of hydralisks, Hwasin slow to pull back his army
CC in his main goes down
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Lux needs to deal a lot of damage with this drop
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KAMBALA KAMBALA ??? What the hell does that mean? Chinese guy is so excited.
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Wtf
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Lmao looks like we spoke too soon. Nice play by lux their.
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Luxury doom dropping Hwasin's main again, there's no defense this looks like game!
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I hope Lux is going to use swarms
edit: never mind still no sign of Hive upgrading even
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Oh my god, Lux killed so much stuff with that drop.
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Luxury played like trash all game but he had enough units for one all-in and it paid off. Lucky guy. GG.
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konadora
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2nd doom drop at the supply depots
Hwasin should have gone bionic :/
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Yeah Lux stuck in there that game. Looks like his plan worked out.
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i think this map favors bio more than mech
why hwasin why
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well thats all of his depots down the drain
looks over
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lol luxury when no one expects you to win you win.
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How many of you have no sound -_-
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Kona curse strikes again.
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GG
OMFG
Epic macro, only Lux can pump out units like that. Crazy Macro. I guess Lux is back in shape eh?
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I think I liquibetted Hwasin to put Luxury back in shape haha.
I don't care I lost that bet, so good to see Luxury pwn mech.
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Man i hate Lux even more now
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Luxury was never slumping
It was just Proleague Luxury playing
Now, Starleague Luxury is back
Flash will now go jump off a cliff
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On June 11 2009 18:59 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Luxury played like trash all game but he had enough units for one all-in and it paid off. Lucky guy. GG.
Well.. Hwasin didn't do much better. Laid a bunch of mines.. got 5 drone kills at the 3rd expo... first vult did nothing. Plus, the disadvantage of mech is it's immobility, so dropping was a pretty good strategy.
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great game by lux over the last few minutes. Sloppy game before that.
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I still insist on Hwasin sticking up with bio.
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Hwasin needs to stop meching and keep doing MnM >_>
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On June 11 2009 19:00 scyper wrote:
konabori curse
wad
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I don't understand why Hwasin was so slow to unsiege. Maybe he thought it was going to be a fake (he only saw a bunch of Overlords, no units)?
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On June 11 2009 19:01 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 18:59 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Luxury played like trash all game but he had enough units for one all-in and it paid off. Lucky guy. GG. Well.. Hwasin didn't do much better. Laid a bunch of mines.. got 5 drone kills at the 3rd expo... first vult did nothing. Plus, the disadvantage of mech is it's immobility, so dropping was a pretty good strategy.
Yes, the key point with mech is to creep to expos and you MUST know what the zerg is doing, the unit composition etc. If Hwasin knew it was coming and prepared, he would've had an advantage.
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So I heard Lux won.
So I heard my predictions are coming true =)
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On June 11 2009 18:59 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yeah Lux stuck in there that game. Looks like his plan worked out.
He did the drop just as his 2 attack for hydras and 2 armor for mutas finished. So it wasn't a last attack and hope it works. It was planned
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Oh God, my liquibet is screwed and as I said, I'm gonna cry if Hwasin looses :<<
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Lux starts to play better as MSL season approaches. Why doesnt it surprise me...
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Next Effort vs Hiya. One on fire the other got sent to the bench for the next 2 games of proleague. Hiya needs to do something different thatn 2 starport bio combo is not working for him.
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On June 11 2009 19:05 Felix da housecat wrote:
Oh God, my liquibet is screwed and as I said, I'm gonna cry if Hwasin looses :<<
Possible Hwasin despite all the talent never has been any starleague material.
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why did hwasin play mech when his mnm is so much better?
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I LB'ed on Effort, but I really think this game could go either way. Depends on performance I guess.
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On June 11 2009 19:10 Felix da housecat wrote:
fuck, Pokemons > MSL !
Magikarp Terran ftw? xD
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On June 11 2009 19:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I LB'ed on Effort, but I really think this game could go either way. Depends on performance I guess.
Based on recent performance this is Efforts game. If both play to their capacity I still believe its efforts game. Hiya needs to show a different strat
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On June 11 2009 19:08 peanutter wrote:
why did hwasin play mech when his mnm is so much better?
Who knows. He really should of went MnM. Maybe the map was unfavored for MnM play?
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in other news:
konadora fails at killing a level 5 totodile twice.
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efforts winning graph is epic
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On June 11 2009 18:59 GTR wrote:
i think this map favors bio more than mech
why hwasin why
Yea on heartbreak I think fact/port into bionic seems to be the strongest build by far. Vult -->wraith --> expand --> scout --> bunker front --> transfer into mnm + tank.
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Can't see it Kanodora is playing pokemon
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what the hell is rabid slash
never heard of that move before
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On June 11 2009 19:14 GTR wrote:
in other news:
konadora fails at killing a level 5 totodile twice.
he cant kill totodiles, he can't predict matches.
he sucks
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yeah, kona forgot what debuff moves are so he spams tackle, lol
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dear konadora,
KILL THE POKEMANS.
love,
snowden
p.s. Steal that bitch's pokemon
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On June 11 2009 19:16 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 19:14 GTR wrote:
in other news:
konadora fails at killing a level 5 totodile twice. he cant kill totodiles, he can't predict matches. he sucks
Being horrible at pokemon means you actually suck less.
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Hey GTR, can you use your magic powers to create a new guide for using afreeca to watch live games?
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On June 11 2009 19:16 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 19:14 GTR wrote:
in other news:
konadora fails at killing a level 5 totodile twice. he cant kill totodiles, he can't predict matches. he sucks
Hahahaha.
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On June 11 2009 19:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 19:16 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 19:14 GTR wrote:
in other news:
konadora fails at killing a level 5 totodile twice. he cant kill totodiles, he can't predict matches. he sucks Being horrible at pokemon means you actually suck less.
pokemon is serious business sir.
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Sick sense of star! lol. OR AUDIENCE HACK
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On June 11 2009 19:16 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 19:14 GTR wrote:
in other news:
konadora fails at killing a level 5 totodile twice. he cant kill totodiles, he can't predict matches. he sucks
B..but RABID SLASH IS HAX SKILL =(
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LOL
STARSENSE FROM EFFORT
savior genes.
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effort is soo good. Spots the proxy rax
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What the fuck, fucking maphack!
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Effort looks more and more like a true Neo Savior every day!
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Yay, bio from Hiya. Expecting Effort to rape
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On June 11 2009 19:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
What the fuck, fucking maphack!
You figured it out...shh don't tell anyone.
Imagine the scandal?
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probably he was alert by the audience...
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Damn effort is skilled
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On June 11 2009 19:20 astalkulo wrote:
probably he was alert by the audience...
Probably he practiced this map 100s of times and knows the proxy locations -_-
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It doesn't work. =/ Outdated?
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lol, looked away for a second and thought hiya was denying effort his expo, then I noticed it was the other way around. ><
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On June 11 2009 19:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 19:20 astalkulo wrote:
probably he was alert by the audience... Probably he practiced this map 100s of times and knows the proxy locations -_-
I was joking 
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lol @ all those snippets about the player's thoughts and comments
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On June 11 2009 19:21 sushiman wrote:
lol, looked away for a second and thought hiya was denying effort his expo, then I noticed it was the other way around. ><
effort wasnt really denying it...T can just place it nearby...doesnt need to be the exact spot.
Effort was just trying to avoid the scv/be a pain in the ass.
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On June 11 2009 19:21 Solinren wrote:It doesn't work. =/ Outdated?
i don't know, i don't use afreeca
maybe ask someone like corinthos (he uses afreeca iirc)
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God I miss 3 hatch builds...
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Worst. Sunken Break. Ever.
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Godly muta harass incomming..after that failed run by hiya will have a lot of trouble avoiding massive damage.
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wow... hiya is really bad.
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That was epic micro to kill the Medic...
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Effort is SO CLUTCH! Finding that proxy, killing the Medic, those are the do-or-die things Savior used to do every single game. Such a joy to watch this style played by an elite player....
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Nevermind..hiya decides to fuck his tech in order to defend the mutas. Hes going to have a lot of trouble in midgame with such a late fact.
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lol Hiya getting raped so hard. Terrans are getting way too spoiled with mech and now their bio sucks
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Okie dokie, thanks GTR, I'll send Corinthos a PM or something
Here is the first game if anyone wants a VOD of it
[url blocked]
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HOLD LURKER NOOOOOOOOO. HOW DO YOU EFF THAT UPPPPP
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OHHHHHHHH HOLD LURKERRRRR! SICK
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Sometimes hold lurkers dont actually hold properly
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AGAINNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that wouldve been gg right there.
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sexy hold lurk gets a lot of rines;o
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WOW. Get a freaking VESSEL ARE YOU SERIOUS!? LOL
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Effort has come a long way since dropping games to Tossgirl
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4 hold lurkers rape!!! HOLY SHIT AHHHH
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Kona was that you who said uwahhhh?
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Damn Hwasin ...
go effOrt ~
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Lol wuahhhh
wuahhhh
iyaaaaa
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Swarm in front of the nat. This is GG.
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That was a management game worthy of The Maestro himself.
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Dark swarm right in front, ZvZ next game
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trail of tears right there
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Lol such rape.
Like I said earlier, hiya completely fucked himself by choosing to go 4 rax before fact. Getting the early vessel out is key for map control so you don't end up getting fucked at your nat by defs.
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You can run but you can't hide
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crazy fast offensive swarms
SEXY
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Damn, nice play by EffOrt I have to admin. Sexy hold lurkers, shhhhhh.....
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atleast wasn't mech play, hiya just play careless
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Savior's back, in a brand new form.
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Damn effort he made it esay GG, poor Hiya;( u need to step it up for Oz.
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top ZvZ players going at it
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I seriously can't believe I saw this play by Effort. Such a sense. Amazing!
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effort was so patient with his first two hold lurkers
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I LB'ed on Luxury and Effort making it out of this group, and I think it's gonna happen at this rate.
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omg the chat in Konadora's stream is so bad
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On June 11 2009 19:33 iloveHieu wrote:
crazy fast offensive swarms
SEXY
Defilers came at the normal time.
But hiya's tech was horribly late from going 4 rax before fact.
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Lol, when sAviOr said that he would destroy everyone in 2009 he failed to mention that he would do it by channeling himself through EffOrt.
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On June 11 2009 19:39 Goragoth wrote:
Lol, when sAviOr said that he would destroy everyone in 2009 he failed to mention that he would do it by channeling himself through EffOrt.
savior's fans never fail to amaze me
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It it still the loser of winner's match versus the winner of loser's match? I wanna see Lux Hwasin rematch
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On June 11 2009 19:41 bearbuddy wrote:
It it still the loser of winner's match versus the winner of loser's match? I wanna see Lux Hwasin rematch
That's held another day, they're only doing winners matches tonight
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this game is really a copy of zero vs luxury on tuesday night O.o
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effort got this game easy
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Extractor gets taken down twice!
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On June 11 2009 19:55 goldenkrnboi wrote:
LOL. WTF?
It's GIRLY MAN ! HE > MSL :<
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what's happening? kona's stream is... err... down. We getting trolled?
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GIRLY MAN! man man man man man man GIRLY MAN! man man man man man man
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wtf happened with konadora stream lool? XD
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On June 11 2009 19:57 peanutter wrote:
what's happening? kona's stream is... err... down
Need a stream? o.o
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Effort looks ahead, but with muta stacking I can't tell army sizes for shit.
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On June 11 2009 19:58 Solinren wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 19:57 peanutter wrote:
what's happening? kona's stream is... err... down Need a stream? o.o
hell yeah
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fuk the breaks are too long, trying to stay for Bisu vs. Jangbi..
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konadora is back
LOL the game is not over haha
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20:56 konadora : lmao how is a zvz so long
20:57 konadora : OMG
20:57 konadora : SORRY GUYS
20:57 konadora : I THOUGHT STREAM HAD BEEN RUNNING LOL
20:57 konadora : that's why i went for dinner
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ah, GTR was faster :< damn, fast fingers
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Effort Advances to Ro16, Yarnc's brother will play again another day to see if he will qualify
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Man that was even better than JD vs Effort
and Bisu is sleeping!
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lol Luxury ran away, haha :d
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Great game from Effort he used so many different tactics and multitasked attacks to gain and maintain the lead.
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Effort now 25-3 in last 28, with a hitlist that includes virtually every big name (except Bisu).
This guy is a top 3 contender in both leagues, is there any question?
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Haha, Effort won that last muta fight with like 20 mutas left.
2 x Rape.
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Effort I LOVE U!! U HAVE TO WIN MSL OR OSL :D
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Now if Effort wasn't so butt-ugly, he'd be my new top favorite player
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Why did Luxury make so many Scourge?
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On June 11 2009 20:04 Sadistx wrote:Now if Effort wasn't so butt-ugly, he'd be my new top favorite player
Guy is raping at SC and looks like human hydralisk, what else do you need dude.
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stop playing pokemon and let us watch SC please!?
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So here's a question. Effort was at 2269 ELO after his + Show Spoiler [Proleague Spoiler] +win vs Jaedong last night
Oh and Effot now 70%+ ZvZ and 66% overall.
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bisu time!!! kim taek yong hwatting!!!!!
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On June 11 2009 20:12 Conquest101 wrote:
Joining the ranks of a still very select few.
EffOrt still needs to beat GuemChi in a BoX series to "join the selected few".
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That's over kill konadora, over kill.
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Does anyone know who the chinese guy is? I want to send him a good microphone so he doesnt sound like someone is chainsawing his balls.
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On June 11 2009 20:19 Felix da housecat wrote:Welcome to Pokemon Master LeagueLive Stream : http://www.livestream.com/konadora/Now playing : PML Finals : konadora VS chinese guy
LOL
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On June 11 2009 20:19 Felix da housecat wrote:Welcome to Pokemon Master LeagueLive Stream : http://www.livestream.com/konadora/Now playing : PML Finals : konadora VS chinese guy
Nicely put haha
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On June 11 2009 20:14 lolaloc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:12 Conquest101 wrote:
Joining the ranks of a still very select few.
EffOrt still needs to beat GuemChi in a BoX series to "join the selected few".
Ah yes, I forgot about that. So Effort can join the illustrious ranks of Thezerg and Tempest.
+ Show Spoiler +Seriously, Guemchi thing really isn't funny anymore. Except the graphs. Graphs are still funny.
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Chinese guy got a crush on Bisu?
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ZhangFei will rip Beesuit apart. WATCH
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Holy crap, that's a fat Zealot blocking that ramp
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Jangbi goes 1 gate range into exp, and adds 2nd gate.lol its so over
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shit when was the last time bisu 4 gated
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lool are the chinese calling jangbi zhang fei?
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On June 11 2009 20:24 GTR wrote:
lool are the chinese calling jangbi zhang fei?
haha yeah! jangbi is the korean name for zhang fei i think..
i know jangbi chose his name after zhang fei though
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4 gates vs FE, 1 gate, ranged goons :D
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Jangbi holds, Bisu's goons froze for a second -_-
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JangBi adding 3 more gateways and his expo is done.
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On June 11 2009 20:26 Itachii wrote:
Jangbi holds, Bisu's goons froze for a second -_-
My PPStream fucked and now I have to use uusee and I'm behind like 30 seconds T_T
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wtf was that? stupid goons
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Temp archives going up for Bisu~
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oh wow
epic fail from bisu
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On June 11 2009 20:27 Itachii wrote:
Temp archives going up for Bisu~
Where are you watching T____T
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What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS"
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Observatory almost done for Jangbi, no way bisu is winning this
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damn should never 4 gate. that's for bad players
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omfg Jangbi. Get. an. OBS.
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On June 11 2009 20:28 Kentor wrote:
damn should never 4 gate. that's for bad players
It would ahve worked if the distances between the players were much closer rather than cross spots, Jangbi barely had enough dragoons popping out
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On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS"
This.
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Obs spawns as 2 DT enter nat, both of them go down
Last attempt by Bisu with his whole army, he types out
DAMM STUPID GOONS HAD TO FREZE
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oh gosh, Bisu GG's. Failed 4 gates T_T
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lol @ chinese commentators counting down to Bisu GGing.
MY NEW CURSE: FIRST PLAYER LOSES WHEN I SAY HE WINS
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and jangbi owns bisu
that ob timing is practiced to kill dt
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On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS"
QFGJ
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On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS"
haha so true
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woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game.
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nooooooooooooooo
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JangBi had expo AND more goons ?!
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On June 11 2009 20:31 konadora wrote:
lol @ chinese commentators counting down to Bisu GGing.
MY NEW CURSE: FIRST PLAYER LOSES WHEN I SAY HE WINS
Was actually right on target, lol
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OMGZZZ JANGBI IMBA PROBES GOSU BISU SUCKS
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Travel distance too long... And shit that means no more Bisu game today T_T.
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never never 4 gate...
oh bisu...
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On June 11 2009 20:31 GinNtoniC wrote:
I climaxed!
fixed that broken heap for ya.
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Now, going by my predictions, Kal WILL win the next game and Jangbi will advance 2-0.
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On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game.
wrong
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4 gate in cross positions
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Not good for my LB but oh well, gj Jangbi! ^^
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On June 11 2009 20:33 konadora wrote:
Now, going by my predictions, Kal WILL win the next game and Jangbi will advance 2-0.
Stop rooting for Bisu plz T_T
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Game starting
Blastoise lvl 100 (blue) vs tentacool (lvl7)
Map : Sea
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BISTUPID
but seriously, how can he make that huge of a micro mistake?
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On June 11 2009 20:33 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game. wrong
He went 4 gate to counter Bisu's 4-gate, then went observatory to counter dark templar with impeccable timing?
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I don't think Jangbi was actually ever in grave danger in that game once he dropped his 2nd through 4th Gateways. Beautiful Probe position ensured quick victory, but all he needed to do there was not lose his Nexus and not get sealed off from the high ground, while his 4 Gateways kicked in for reinforcements. The map is so big that 4 Gate on cross positions gets badly dominated by expand into 4 Gate defense.
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Can someone enlighten me as to why there are no loser's games? How did the format change?
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LOOOOOOL KONADORA PLAYING ANIME PORN ! WTF
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On June 11 2009 20:36 Felix da housecat wrote:
LOOOOOOL KONADORA PLAYING ANIME PORN ! WTF
i knew it!
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beautiful 4gate counter
jangbi would've defended without cross position
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On June 11 2009 20:36 GeLaar wrote:
Can someone enlighten me as to why there are no loser's games? How did the format change?
They are played at a later date
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On June 11 2009 20:35 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:33 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game. wrong He went 4 gate to counter Bisu's 4-gate, then went observatory to counter dark templar with impeccable timing?
He held 1st attack with 2 gates and probes, then he added gates (normal counter since he immidiately knew what Bisu had after 1st attack), obs timing was normal, not to mention all Bisu had left was going DT.
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i wonder the stats for LB bisu vs jangbi XD
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On June 11 2009 20:38 SkelA wrote:
i wonder the stats for LB bisu vs jangbi XD
Stats full of rage probably. I'm raging, but I'm not too upset xD 'Twas worth it.
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On June 11 2009 20:36 Felix da housecat wrote:
LOOOOOOL KONADORA PLAYING ANIME PORN ! WTF
Pix or it didn't happen.
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On June 11 2009 20:38 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:35 bearbuddy wrote:On June 11 2009 20:33 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game. wrong He went 4 gate to counter Bisu's 4-gate, then went observatory to counter dark templar with impeccable timing? He held 1st attack with 2 gates and probes, then he added gates (normal counter since he immidiately knew what Bisu had after 1st attack), obs timing was normal, not to mention all Bisu had left was going DT.
I'm pretty sure he 4-gated before the first wave.
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On June 11 2009 20:38 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:35 bearbuddy wrote:On June 11 2009 20:33 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game. wrong He went 4 gate to counter Bisu's 4-gate, then went observatory to counter dark templar with impeccable timing? He held 1st attack with 2 gates and probes, then he added gates (normal counter since he immidiately knew what Bisu had after 1st attack)
nope. He added the other 3 gates almost at the same time.
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On June 11 2009 20:39 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:38 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 20:35 bearbuddy wrote:On June 11 2009 20:33 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game. wrong He went 4 gate to counter Bisu's 4-gate, then went observatory to counter dark templar with impeccable timing? He held 1st attack with 2 gates and probes, then he added gates (normal counter since he immidiately knew what Bisu had after 1st attack), obs timing was normal, not to mention all Bisu had left was going DT. I'm pretty sure he 4-gated before the first wave.
You are correct.
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Alright my bad then, so he really knew what was comming
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On June 11 2009 20:38 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:35 bearbuddy wrote:On June 11 2009 20:33 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game. wrong He went 4 gate to counter Bisu's 4-gate, then went observatory to counter dark templar with impeccable timing? He held 1st attack with 2 gates and probes, then he added gates (normal counter since he immidiately knew what Bisu had after 1st attack), obs timing was normal, not to mention all Bisu had left was going DT.
no, JangBi put down 3 gates at once, he knew what was comming for him, the first round came out just when bisu attacked. Amazingly bad choice for BO by Bisu, I know he said he doesnt know how to PvP on Byzantium but still...
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On June 11 2009 20:40 Plexa wrote:
Positional imbalance imo
Bisu would lose even on close positions ..
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On June 11 2009 20:38 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:35 bearbuddy wrote:On June 11 2009 20:33 Itachii wrote:On June 11 2009 20:31 bearbuddy wrote:
woah, Jangbi. Maphax-like intel that entire game. wrong He went 4 gate to counter Bisu's 4-gate, then went observatory to counter dark templar with impeccable timing? He held 1st attack with 2 gates and probes, then he added gates (normal counter since he immidiately knew what Bisu had after 1st attack), obs timing was normal, not to mention all Bisu had left was going DT.
nah if he defended only with 2 gate he'd have lost almost all his dragoons
he went 4 gate no tech after nexus, held that attack off with minimal losses, GG right there. it's too obvious DT was next
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On June 11 2009 20:41 SkelA wrote:Bisu would lose even on close positions ..
plexa is trolling because of yesterday
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i blame it on bisu's haircut.
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does anybody know when will the losers' game be?
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On June 11 2009 20:43 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
does anybody know when will the losers' game be?
25th?
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On June 11 2009 20:44 konadora wrote:congrats
Genres: comedy, erotica, romance
Themes: Ecchi, Incest
Age rating: Adults only! (Contains explicit sexual content)
Tsk Tsk Kona.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On June 11 2009 20:45 Conquest101 wrote:Genres: comedy, erotica, romance Themes: Ecchi, Incest Age rating: Adults only! (Contains explicit sexual content) Tsk Tsk Kona. + Show Spoiler +
There's no sex involved
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On June 11 2009 20:45 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:43 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
does anybody know when will the losers' game be? 25th?
ah, thanks...
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Wait...so when konadora said he didn't watch porn in that porn thread, he was lying? THE TRUTH REVEALED LOL.
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Bisu - 1666
JangBi - 172
@ liquibet :D
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On June 11 2009 20:45 Conquest101 wrote:Genres: comedy, erotica, romance Themes: Ecchi, Incest Age rating: Adults only! (Contains explicit sexual content) Tsk Tsk Kona. + Show Spoiler +
should bold the incest part too
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ahh bisu
i trust that he'll still make it thou
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On June 11 2009 20:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Wait...so when konadora said he didn't watch porn in that porn thread, he was lying? THE TRUTH REVEALED LOL.
On May 29 2009 15:50 konadora wrote:
Porn is shit
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On June 11 2009 20:48 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Wait...so when konadora said he didn't watch porn in that porn thread, he was lying? THE TRUTH REVEALED LOL.
fixed.
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Read the chat for the update
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Kona is butthurt in his channel cause he got caught.
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wow turtling mirror build
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I wouldn't even have streamed it if it was anything to do with porn
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Free's warping nex goes down, HELL YEAH
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whoa kal with 2 reavers
free 1 reaver bad formation bad micro
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hehehe, another silver incoming for jangbi
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On June 11 2009 20:46 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:45 Conquest101 wrote:On June 11 2009 20:44 konadora wrote:congrats Genres: comedy, erotica, romance Themes: Ecchi, Incest Age rating: Adults only! (Contains explicit sexual content) Tsk Tsk Kona. + Show Spoiler + There's no sex involved
Haha, no worries. I know. Just giving you a hard time because of the whole porn thing.
+ Show Spoiler [Porn] +Porn is awesome. 
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Actually Bisu lost because of his poor micro. He allowed his goons to be killed by Jangbi's probe. Jangbi was smart to build 3 gateways at once (for a total of 4), but it wouldn't have mattered if Bisu hadn't rushed all his goons in. If Bisu had simply microed (move backwards and attack) and taken out probes instead of going in for the dagger of taking out all the goons, he would have won.
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On June 11 2009 20:52 latent wrote:
Actually Bisu lost because of his poor micro. He allowed his goons to be killed by Jangbi's probe. Jangbi was smart to build 3 gateways at once (for a total of 4), but it wouldn't have mattered if Bisu hadn't rushed all his goons in. If Bisu had simply microed (move backwards and attack) and taken out probes instead of going in for the dagger of taking out all the goons, he would have won.
lmao
NO
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Pokemon music makes Starcraft more dramatic.
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On June 11 2009 20:54 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:52 latent wrote:
Actually Bisu lost because of his poor micro. He allowed his goons to be killed by Jangbi's probe. Jangbi was smart to build 3 gateways at once (for a total of 4), but it wouldn't have mattered if Bisu hadn't rushed all his goons in. If Bisu had simply microed (move backwards and attack) and taken out probes instead of going in for the dagger of taking out all the goons, he would have won. lmao NO
er as much as i hate latent i have to agree with him there
bisu handled the situation quite poorly. he should have not been aggressive and tried to push forward in trying to take out the goons
he also missed his timing window when jangbi added his next couple of gateways
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free got stomped. Standard
Kal pwns :D
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Poor free =(
Pushed into a group that plays only his weakest matchup
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Free is so bad nowadays, it makes me sad. :[
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No reason to hate me... all I do is speak my mind.
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people were killed for speaking their minds dude.
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On June 11 2009 20:58 sushiman wrote:
Free is so bad nowadays, it makes me sad. :[
Not his pvp was ever great..this isnt a shocker, but damn jangbi for sending free into this group. I hope kal sends him back to potentially face is reckoning.
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BTW rising, have you already forgotten how many times Bisu has received praise for his amazing probe micro, especially in PvP? He's used his probes to bail himself out of a bad situation numerous times. In this case Bisu's poor dragoon micro allowed Jangbi to do the same thing.
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On June 11 2009 20:55 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:54 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 11 2009 20:52 latent wrote:
Actually Bisu lost because of his poor micro. He allowed his goons to be killed by Jangbi's probe. Jangbi was smart to build 3 gateways at once (for a total of 4), but it wouldn't have mattered if Bisu hadn't rushed all his goons in. If Bisu had simply microed (move backwards and attack) and taken out probes instead of going in for the dagger of taking out all the goons, he would have won. lmao NO er as much as i hate latent i have to agree with him there bisu handled the situation quite poorly. he should have not been aggressive and tried to push forward in trying to take out the goons he also missed his timing window when jangbi added his next couple of gateways
there was no timing window, bisu got build countered
I'll even indulge you:
how you gonna retreat, let his nat live, and hope to win off of 1 base? how you gonna pick off the probes when you get probe blocked?
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WTH??? There is no "counter 4 gate"... If you fast expand you're at a disadvantage for a little while. If the probes are blocking you then you pick off those probes...duh.
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On June 11 2009 21:00 latent wrote:
BTW rising, have you already forgotten how many times Bisu has received praise for his amazing probe micro, especially in PvP? He's used his probes to bail himself out of a bad situation numerous times. In this case Bisu's poor dragoon micro allowed Jangbi to do the same thing.
I don't really think so either. Even if he had taken out the probes, it seems like they would buy enough time for Jangbi to hold it in the end anyways.
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On June 11 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:55 GTR wrote:On June 11 2009 20:54 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 11 2009 20:52 latent wrote:
Actually Bisu lost because of his poor micro. He allowed his goons to be killed by Jangbi's probe. Jangbi was smart to build 3 gateways at once (for a total of 4), but it wouldn't have mattered if Bisu hadn't rushed all his goons in. If Bisu had simply microed (move backwards and attack) and taken out probes instead of going in for the dagger of taking out all the goons, he would have won. lmao NO er as much as i hate latent i have to agree with him there bisu handled the situation quite poorly. he should have not been aggressive and tried to push forward in trying to take out the goons he also missed his timing window when jangbi added his next couple of gateways there was no timing window, bisu got build countered and how you gonna retreat, let his nat live, and hope to win off of 1 base? how you gonna pick off the probes when you get probe blocked?
timing window - from the time jangbi put up his expansion to putting down his extra gateways. it was around two-three minutes.
he was aware that there were probes at the expansion. you would have been a complete idiot to NOT expect probes to be pulled to help defend.
there was no way he was going to take out the expansion the way he reacted.
you are a really bad poster by the way
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On June 11 2009 21:03 latent wrote:
WTH??? There is no "counter 4 gate"... If you fast expand you're at a disadvantage for a little while. If the probes are blocking you then you pick off those probes...duh.
WTF you talking about
you never heard of defender's advantage? how you gonna 4gate on a huge map like that? even running across puts you at pretty much even, bisu had soemthing like 1 goon advantage when he went in with the rest running the map still
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From an economic perspective, Jangbi and Bisu had approximately equal probe counts at first, amiright? Maybe Jangbi with a few less b/c he had to cut probes a little early in order to build those gateways. If Jangbi's using those probes to block and constantly losing them to dragoon fire, he won't be able to replenish his forces from his 4 gateways, while Bisu is just pumping off of his own 4 gateways. That's tough to come back from.
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On June 11 2009 21:07 latent wrote:
From an economic perspective, Jangbi and Bisu had approximately equal probe counts at first, amiright? Maybe Jangbi with a few less b/c he had to cut probes a little early in order to build those gateways. If Jangbi's using those probes to block and constantly losing them to dragoon fire, he won't be able to replenish his forces from his 4 gateways, while Bisu is just pumping off of his own 4 gateways. That's tough to come back from.
Jangbi had way more probes than Bisu by the time the attack came. Bisu cut probes hard to get 4 gates running off 1 base.
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how are you gonna enter a fight and hope to pick off probes without losing ur own goons? this is a mirror match dude
and those probes trapped bisu by cutting into his goons, didn't you see that?
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On June 11 2009 21:04 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 21:02 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 11 2009 20:55 GTR wrote:On June 11 2009 20:54 .risingdragoon wrote:On June 11 2009 20:52 latent wrote:
Actually Bisu lost because of his poor micro. He allowed his goons to be killed by Jangbi's probe. Jangbi was smart to build 3 gateways at once (for a total of 4), but it wouldn't have mattered if Bisu hadn't rushed all his goons in. If Bisu had simply microed (move backwards and attack) and taken out probes instead of going in for the dagger of taking out all the goons, he would have won. lmao NO er as much as i hate latent i have to agree with him there bisu handled the situation quite poorly. he should have not been aggressive and tried to push forward in trying to take out the goons he also missed his timing window when jangbi added his next couple of gateways there was no timing window, bisu got build countered and how you gonna retreat, let his nat live, and hope to win off of 1 base? how you gonna pick off the probes when you get probe blocked? timing window - from the time jangbi put up his expansion to putting down his extra gateways. it was around two-three minutes. he was aware that there were probes at the expansion. you would have been a complete idiot to NOT expect probes to be pulled to help defend. there was no way he was going to take out the expansion the way he reacted. you are a really bad poster by the way
I think you should watch the game and keep your personal attacks to yourself
by the way
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On June 11 2009 21:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
how are you gonna enter a fight and hope to pick off probes without losing ur own goons? this is a mirror match dude
and those probes trapped bisu by cutting into his goons, didn't you see that?
You pick off probes without losing goons by microing your goons the way even an amateur knows how.
Bisu just barged in there chasing after Jangbi's goons, completely ignoring the mass of probes that were attacking him. Jangbi really didn't have that many goons, and he couldn't reinforce from all 4 gateways while using his probes to attack/defend.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On June 11 2009 21:11 intotherainx wrote:
kal manner pylon yess
Well, firstly I thought You've predicted, but then I realise my stream is a bit slower, lol.
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LOL JANGBI SUCKS NO CANNONS
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
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On June 11 2009 21:14 Felix da housecat wrote:Well, firstly I thought You've predicted, but then I realise my stream is a bit slower, lol.
sorry im watching it on tv
kal is in a pretty good position, gonna win pretty much.gg
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On June 11 2009 21:15 intotherainx wrote:
LOL JANGBI SUCKS NO CANNONS
show me Kal's cannon, rofl
well yeah iam behind
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
AHAHAHA JANGBI NO CANNONS
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This really is a mirror match
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Kal is the man, wohoo :D Putting forge in !
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On June 11 2009 21:16 Itachii wrote:show me Kal's cannon, rofl
you will see ㅋㅋ
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
LOL JANGBI IS FUCKED AHAHAHAHAHA
KAL'S DT SLICING EVERYTHING!
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LOL probes are goign to attack. Ah
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Rookie mistake no detection :/
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
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Now Jangbi has to play Bisu again to win. Looooooooool Poor Jangbi.
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Congrats Kal.
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Thats my boy, Kal .
Btw: The OP seriously called Kal bad/awefull? He did not to bad in Proleague the last 2-3 Rounds? Or do i miss something?
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Ah shit I'm tired of Bisu vs JangBi
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On June 11 2009 21:20 Garnet wrote:Ah shit I'm tired of Bisu vs JangBi
Why can't it be Jangbi vs Free?
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I'm just pretty sure that still Bisu and Hwasin won't fail again.
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Man I don't get how this system works. So confusing...
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On June 11 2009 21:20 Garnet wrote:Ah shit I'm tired of Bisu vs JangBi
Haha true
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bisu vs jangbi is the game of the month. ya i really dont see bisu losing again
why couldnt jangbi beat him for my fantasy, when it really mattered!?!?!?!? lol
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On June 11 2009 21:14 latent wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 21:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
how are you gonna enter a fight and hope to pick off probes without losing ur own goons? this is a mirror match dude
and those probes trapped bisu by cutting into his goons, didn't you see that? You pick off probes without losing goons by microing your goons the way even an amateur knows how. Bisu just barged in there chasing after Jangbi's goons, completely ignoring the mass of probes that were attacking him. Jangbi really didn't have that many goons, and he couldn't reinforce from all 4 gateways while using his probes to attack/defend. LMAO
and while you hit the probes, his goons are hitting you. goons have the same range you realize? and to get the probes behind the nexus bisu had to walk past jangbi's goons, thereby taking fire. there was even a funneling pylon at the nat
jangbi didn't even pull those 6 or so probes first thing, he waited for bisu to enter deep into his nat before pulling and cutting into bisu, trapping him
and even if he gets like a few probes. it's 2 nexus pumping probes
I don't know what you were watching dude lol
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On June 11 2009 21:21 latent wrote:
Man I don't get how this system works. So confusing...
game 1
game 2
winners game
Then on later date.
losers game
final game
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game 1
game 2
winners play for advancer
losers play for elimination
the loser of the winners game plays the winner of the losers game
to get the 2nd adancing spot.
how much more simple can it get :/
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택용 oh my god.... why did you lose..... ㅠ.ㅠ
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Imagine if free succeeds in cheesing Bisu. lol
Biggest upset in the MSL. :D
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Game1
Game2
Winners Game ---> Winner Qualifies
Later Date---
Losers Game
Winner of Losers Game vs Loser of Winners Game ----> Winner Qualifies
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On June 11 2009 21:21 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 21:14 latent wrote:On June 11 2009 21:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
how are you gonna enter a fight and hope to pick off probes without losing ur own goons? this is a mirror match dude
and those probes trapped bisu by cutting into his goons, didn't you see that? You pick off probes without losing goons by microing your goons the way even an amateur knows how. Bisu just barged in there chasing after Jangbi's goons, completely ignoring the mass of probes that were attacking him. Jangbi really didn't have that many goons, and he couldn't reinforce from all 4 gateways while using his probes to attack/defend. LMAO and while you hit the probes, his goons are hitting you. goons have the same range you realize? and to get the probes bisu had to walk past jangbi's goons, thereby taking fire. jangbi didn't even pull those 6 or so probes first thing, he waited for bisu to enter deep into his nat before pulling and cutting into bisu, trapping him I don't know what you were watching dude lol
Are you being serious? Do you really not know what GTR's talking about? Bisu completely opened himself up to getting sealed off by Jangbi's Probes by charging in. He could have traded shots with Jangbi and baited the Probes into the fight, at which point you can back away from the Probes while taking potshots, and then Jangbi's Probes are blocking his own Dragoons from moving forward to hit Bisu's Dragoons.
Probes are only an advantage in a fight if you let them get position - otherwise they're just a wall to be picked off between two armies that can't get to each other because one is retreating and picking off Probes. Bisu probably didn't expect Jangbi to have been rolling 4 Gateways as well and so he figured he could power his way through the Probes, but it was an unnecessary risk and poorly handled.
Stop thinking about the Bisu-Jangbi fight from the moment Bisu got Probe surrounded and start thinking about it from 5 seconds before. Of course by the time Bisu went in there's no amount of micro that could save him, the whole point was that he opened himself up to that risk when there were better ways to handle those 5 seconds leading up to the fight. At the very minimum, he didn't have to make it TRIVIAL for Jangbi's Probes to get such good position.
I was wholeheartedly rooting against Bisu in that game but there's no denying he played that fight poorly, making it easy for an elite player like Jangbi to seize the huge opportunity that was given to him.
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a 4gate is not a build that lets you harass buddy, you have to do real damage or it's game, in this case take the nat high ground over. how you gonna do that without going in there?
yeah, I'm serious
On June 11 2009 21:26 darktreb wrote:At the very minimum, he didn't have to make it TRIVIAL for Jangbi's Probes to get such good position.
I dunno WTH you talking about, he had like zero choice there. It was jangbi's call when and how to pull his probes, and he did it beautifully by drawing bisu in and cutting in between him.
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On June 11 2009 21:24 SuperArc wrote:
Imagine if free succeeds in cheesing Bisu. lol
Biggest upset in the MSL. :D
yeah... this would be an upset... no bisu and jangbi in group b... too bad.. and there goes my liquibet lol
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yeah Kal....
plz win the losers match n advance bisu...
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Bisu used to be good at PvP... what happened to that. lol go Kal!
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Did I hear right... kal defeating bisu? something is srsly wrong
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No, Jangbi beat Bisu. Kal beat Free and Jangbi.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On June 11 2009 21:50 Zoler wrote:
Did I hear right... kal defeating bisu? something is srsly wrong
Jangbi > Bisu
Jangbi < Kal
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all planned out by jangbi, now he has to only kill free to advance... if thats the system... but i higly doubt so... but chances are high now that bisu doesnt win come out of this group
Bisu > free[gm]
JangBi > Bisu #2
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On June 11 2009 21:42 Count9 wrote:Bisu used to be good at PvP... what happened to that.
Well yeah, because when people lose to the likes of Jangbi they must be really bad.
Even the best players drop a game eventually, especially if it's a bo1.Bisu has been losing a game here and there lately but he's arguably one of the best PvP-ers in the scene.
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It's not THAT he lost, but how he lost...
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LOL i voted bisu n kal advancing looks like its gonna become reality
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HAHA BISU LOSES. FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
Now on to watching the VODs.
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UGH MY LIQUIBET (totally serious here).
I'm in a LB slump.
Edit: Hey, it turns out I voted Kal and Jangbi to win their matchs and then both to advance, guess my Liquibet was safe.
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On June 11 2009 23:00 NO MY LIQUIBET wrote:
NO MY LIQUIBET
fixed
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god damnit ... PvP is so random ;( Bisu lost
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Effort is not a human, he is a beast !
I wish him to win OSL and MSL this season
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I...uh...did that just happen? 
Good job to Kal, I guess. Too bad for Bisu, though...
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O_o
bo1 to qualify to MSL?
are all of them already out? or they can still get in?
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On June 11 2009 23:06 Sinedd wrote:god damnit ... PvP is so random ;( Bisu lost
Yeah blame it on luck...
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On June 11 2009 23:44 Sadness wrote:
O_o
bo1 to qualify to MSL?
are all of them already out? or they can still get in?
2 wins means you get into the RO16. Kal beat Free then Jangbi, thus securing 2 wins. Jangbi beat Bisu but lost to Kal, so he's 1-1. He has to win one more match to qualify, but if he loses his next match he goes 1-2. Likewise, Bisu is 0-1 and has to win 2 in row to qualify, as does Free.
Everyone is in a Best of 3 Match up, but each game is against a different person (Although Jangbi might have to face Bisu twice if Bisu beats Free).
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more than likely it will be
Bisu> free
Bisu> JangBi
Everyone loses matches from time to time, doesn't change the fact that:
1) Bisu is the best pvp player currently, and in history.
2) Bisu is the best player currently, and in terms of elo, in history.
Edit: Kal is on an 8 game pvp winning streak. Wow. Its so strange how match up's just click for certain people.
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On June 11 2009 23:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 23:44 Sadness wrote:
O_o
bo1 to qualify to MSL?
are all of them already out? or they can still get in? 2 wins means you get into the RO16. Kal beat Free then Jangbi, thus securing 2 wins. Jangbi beat Bisu but lost to Kal, so he's 1-1. He has to win one more match to qualify, but if he loses his next match he goes 1-2. Likewise, Bisu is 0-1 and has to win 2 in row to qualify, as does Free. Everyone is in a Best of 3 Match up, but each game is against a different person (Although Jangbi might have to face Bisu twice if Bisu beats Free).
thx =]
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Bisu's got to get back in the MSL as his awesomeness is needed to rape them inferior races.
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If free wins... MY LIQUIBEEEEET
Also, I BELIEEEEEEEEEVE LUXURY
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Wow, Kal is playing beastly again. Glad to see that he is back in shape. He was and still is one of my favourite players.
But damn, Effort for no1 in the PR. This guy has been a beast in last month and is showing better records than Jaedong or Bisu.
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Jangbi got his REEEVENGE. Can't wait to watch these matches now.
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JangBi anticipated really well the Bisu's dt, thanks to obs then, it was over.... Bisu ㅠ.ㅠ
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BISU I BELIEVE
RAPE THAT FATTOSS
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CA10828 Posts
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE
AHHHHHHHHHWEFD:LKSDJF:LWJEL:KJSDFSDF
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
I added an explanation to the change in format. Was it really that hard to understand? =/
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On June 11 2009 16:07 NicolBolas wrote:Jangbi, you are a fool. You deliberately moved Bisu, not as far away from you as possible like any reasonable person would expect, but into the first match with you!Do you think you can take Bisu? Do you honestly believe that you have what it takes to take him out in a Best of 3? + Show Spoiler +If so, your performance in the ProLeague certainly didn't show it. He smoked you like a joint. Oh well. Your hubris will not go unrewarded. Bring whatever meticulously practiced cheese or whatever you want; it will do you no good. Bisu will crush you 2-0, and you will not see anything even remotely like your last MSL run.
rofl sup
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
lolbisu
kal is always the outsider, even when he was doing well. i guess everyone has always expected him to fall down to earth, rather than having the tendency to hype him.
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United States11393 Posts
On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS"
So true. ~_~
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On June 12 2009 02:49 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS" So true. ~_~
rofl isnt this what happened at gom2 finals game 4
except iirc the build and the map should have been a lot easier to defend 4 gate with
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Don't worry about Bisu, even if he don't manage to defeat JangBi and Free next time, there are always some back to brake...
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On June 12 2009 02:49 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS" So true. ~_~
Did you even watch the game before making such a stupid comment? Jangbi was never in danger in that game. If you remember the game Bisu won against the 4 gate he has only 3-4 dragoons against 8-9 goons. he simply won that game with great probe micro. Instead of vomiting your hate against Bisu in every thread please watch the games first.
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United States11393 Posts
On June 12 2009 03:44 abakben wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 02:49 Harem wrote:On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS" So true. ~_~ Did you even watch the game before making such a stupid comment? Jangbi was never in danger in that game. If you remember the game Bisu won against the 4 gate he has only 3-4 dragoons against 8-9 goons. he simply won that game with great probe micro. Instead of vomiting your hate against Bisu in every thread please watch the games first.
Except I did watch the game.
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
Kal outkalled Free twice in a week ;D
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On June 11 2009 20:25 scyper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:24 GTR wrote:
lool are the chinese calling jangbi zhang fei? haha yeah! jangbi is the korean name for zhang fei i think.. i know jangbi chose his name after zhang fei though
i totally did not know that
sources pl0x?
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Effort's game against HiyA was perfection. Some of the best lurker play I've seen in a while.
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EffOrt was really impressived. Happy to see him come back like that!
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United States11637 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On June 12 2009 04:28 boesthius wrote:god my predictions have been ACE lately first stork now jangbi.. roflsup. i need to stop falling asleep before the games start though
You need more drinks! :D (and I need more sleep, it's 3.30am here zomg bb gn)
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On June 12 2009 02:49 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS" So true. ~_~
meh while watching this, it was no surprise that jangbi would hold it off. seriously every one expected that... it's just not the same as what happened on colo 2
i found it more funny that Oz (and KTF (the new oz?)) fans agree with what vasoline said while khan fans didn't even say anything
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United States11637 Posts
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Wow Bisu way to get raped. Maybe Jangbi is coming back I can be his fan again without being embarrassed all the time.
EFfort next big zerg, wooo.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
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On June 12 2009 04:34 Kentor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 02:49 Harem wrote:On June 11 2009 20:27 Vasoline73 wrote:
What's funny is that if the build orders were switched and Bisu defended like Jangbi did everyone would be like "OMGZZZ BISU IMBA PROBES GOSU JANGBI SUCKS" So true. ~_~ meh while watching this it was no surprise that jangbi would hold it off. seriously every one expected that... it's just not the same as what happened on colo 2 i found it more funny that Oz (and KTF (the new oz?)) fans agree with what vasoline said while khan fans didn't even say anything hey man, dont compare us ktf fans with the likes of OZ. I love Bisu. Have ever since he rolled over Ra [god I hate ra].
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Being a Bisu fan.. the way I look at it is..
If he advances, then good for him!
If he drops out, then he has more time and concentration for OSL!!
:D
Also, I feel Jangbi was the better player in that game.
The long distance is not good for 4 gate.. so it was Bisu's fault for that.
His micro was also extremely poor compared to Jangbi's.
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lol at KaL, i really didnt expect this but its awesome
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Can always count on PvP to wreak havoc on your liquibet.
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amazing how effort managed to stop luxury from killing drones at his unprotected bases
insane winning streak from effort going on O_O
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Why does Kal always perform when I doubt him? Seriously, I like this guy so much but his lack of consistency kills me.
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On June 12 2009 06:43 GGQ wrote:
Can always count on PvP to wreak havoc on your liquibet.
qft. I am so fucked in liquibet haha.
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If Bisu loses to free, I'm going to cry.
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wow Effort kicking ass left and right GJ!
Jangbi vs Kal was epic!
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There's still matches between the losers right?
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On June 12 2009 10:49 yrag89 wrote:
There's still matches between the losers right?
Yes, there is still the Loser of game 1 vs Loser of game 2. Then the loser of the winners match vs the winner of the losers match. So two more games for each group next week
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Bisu's battle was a surprise but I am glad he is not out..yet
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red shuttle fly through group B easily
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On June 12 2009 06:43 GGQ wrote:
Can always count on PvP to wreak havoc on your liquibet.
Seriously.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
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Shank toss should never be betted against, likewise you shouldn't bet for him either :D
Kal fighting! Win a starleague please.
Edit: I think Im like the only person who always roots for Kal even if he is in his ridiculous lose to everyone mode.
<3 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/usericons/10907.gif) Toss
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wait, bisu isn't out right? what has he to do to advance?
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On June 12 2009 18:03 Piste wrote:
wait, bisu isn't out right? what has he to do to advance?
He has to beat free then Jangbi.
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On June 12 2009 18:05 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 18:03 Piste wrote:
wait, bisu isn't out right? what has he to do to advance? He has to beat free then Jangbi.
thanks man
edit: lol since when I've been a tank :O
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On June 12 2009 18:05 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 18:03 Piste wrote:
wait, bisu isn't out right? what has he to do to advance? He has to beat free then Jangbi.
don't see him getting through Jangbi
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On June 12 2009 19:19 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 18:05 Wala.Revolution wrote:On June 12 2009 18:03 Piste wrote:
wait, bisu isn't out right? what has he to do to advance? He has to beat free then Jangbi. don't see him getting through Jangbi
He's done it before a few times if I recall correctly...
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On June 12 2009 17:35 Fontong wrote:Shank toss should never be betted against, likewise you shouldn't bet for him either :D Kal fighting! Win a starleague please. Edit: I think Im like the only person who always roots for Kal even if he is in his ridiculous lose to everyone mode. <3 Toss
hes sooo inconsistent though
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Go Effort!:D:D:D
And yeah fuck bisu~scumtoss
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
Please read the format change I posted in the OP -_________-
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
Wow that game with Effort vs Hiya gave me chills. It felt like I was watching the old Savior..........those stop lurkers, putting lurkers on ramps to get that last tank, the swarms. God I miss Savior ;_;
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Bisu vs Jangbi.
Poor choice in build by Bisu. Not sure what he was expecting his opponent to be building. Nexus gate core build? 4 gates on a cross position and it was such a huge map. If Bisu was going for a cheese, he would had been better off with proxy gates in the center.
Luxury vs Effort.
Luxury had multiple chances to take down Effort's 2nd gas, but failed or missed the timing. Luxury's last chance to snipe the hatch was when Effort was ravaging Luxury's 3rd gas. Luxury could had sent a portion of his mutalisks to eliminate the hatch while the remaining can defend with spores.
Jangbi vs Kal.
Kal just outplayed Jangbi from start to finish. Not only did Kal got a DT in Jangbi's base, he got a faster expand as well as cannon defense for possible DT cheese. Poor Jangbi, Bisu will get his revenge in the loser final.
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