Bleh, at least Best didn't lose because he tried a build he absolutely can't execute. Losing to 2 hatch hydras at least carries a little dignity.

Oh well, guess that means I can root for CJ to win the playoffs now. Cool.

Lhyviathan

Australia975 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1962

Wow, this series had everything including upsets and cheese. Props to T1 for being such great opponents, too.

TimmyMac

Canada499 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1963

On March 15 2009 16:15 Cambium wrote:
best really needed to scout more... -_-;;

How? There were speedlings in front of his base. He was going to corsairs, but it came too slow. Luxury's timing was great.

Orbifold

United States1922 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1964

On March 15 2009 16:17 Hot_Bid wrote:
admit it: you've made fun of KTF for having nobody but flash.

but all those KTFlash jokes are meaningless now, they just beat SKT with 0 wins from Flash.

Did Flash steal your girlfriend or something?

edit: YaY! Forgg.

dekuschrub

United States2069 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1965

hahah ktf is like omg once we get forgg WE CAN'T LOSE

and flash.. you 14cc again and no more cookie cake!

fearus

China2164 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1966

Best has won 4 games in the entire Winners League season, that failure needs to goto the B-Team!

Disregard

China10252 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1967

LOL FORGG!!

BlackMagister

United States5834 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1968

On March 15 2009 16:14 Shengster wrote:
Wonder if Luxury's back is hurting because he definitely carried KTF to victory!

Hey don't forget Hoejja!!! He definitely deserves kodos for beating Bisu and Canata.

Vasoline73

United States8142 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1969

ForGG is a pimp

caelym

United States6430 Posts

March 15 2009 07:18 GMT

#1970

this is what happens when you cheese flash and then don't put up Boxer

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1971

On March 15 2009 16:15 Kentor wrote:
what the fuck should best have done then?

7+ cannons -> dt

GTR

51696 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1972

isn't this the first time KTF have beaten SKT in a playoff game?

thestool91

672 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1973

On March 15 2009 16:17 Coffee wrote:
aww best he's so upset

i feel bad

i still remember the time he gave the thumbs down at hiya...PISSED ME OFF
when nevake (the one i praise everyday for delivery) puts up this ace match, i hope he extends the vod just so i can watch best cry on repeat

eatmyshorts5

United States1530 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1974

On March 15 2009 16:18 BlackMagister wrote:

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Hey don't forget Hoejja!!! He definitely deserves kodos for beating Bisu and Canata.

Forgg can't play until the end of the playoffs. Am i correct?

hauton

Hong Kong743 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1975

was the person the fangirls cheering at Kang Min (Nal_Ra)?

sorry for n00b question!

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1976

On March 15 2009 16:15 Kentor wrote:
what the fuck should best have done then?

pull his face off and reveal Bisu's underneath it.

disciple

9071 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1977

On March 15 2009 16:19 GTR wrote:
isn't this the first time KTF have beaten SKT in a playoff game?

yes

StylishVODs

Sweden5331 Posts

March 15 2009 07:19 GMT

#1978

On March 15 2009 16:07 Hot_Bid wrote:

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On March 15 2009 15:58 StylishVODs wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:44 Hot_Bid wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:40 StylishVODs wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:38 Hot_Bid wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:33 Shengster wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:

On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"

if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol

i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly

BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT.

I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.

are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build

Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.

did you read what i wrote?

14cc is far more risky and cheesy than proxy 8 rax in TvT. nothing dies to 8 rax except 14cc, plenty of players have defended 8 rax with standard rax timing, and the 8 rax player is behind. in fact, what's hilarious is if flash played standard, as the better player should do, he would've won not the other way around. its just ironic that you are all pissy at fantasy when it's 100% flash's own fault for losing.

again, to repeat: in TvT, 8 rax is far less risky and cheesy than 14cc.

How can 14cc be more cheesy than 8rax?

8rax beats 1 thing
14cc beats alot of things

hence 8rax is more cheesy.

However i agree that flash shouldn't 14cc when he's the better player. It was stupid of him.

i completely disagree

8 rax is far more adaptable and recoverable into standard play than 14cc is. plenty of players have failed 8 rax and still recovered in TvT, where a 14cc is autoloss. the build thats flexible and survivable against more possibilities in this situation is the less risky/cheesy build.

you realize that 12 hatch hard counters nothing (hence beats 0 things) in ZvT ZvP right? and 4 pool beats 1 thing, that means 12h is more cheesy than 4pool? your logic is seriously flawed.

I think you're misunderstanding me.
with my logic it means that 4 pool is the cheesier build the same way as im implying that 8rax is the cheesier build.

12hatch is economical and only gets autoloss vs a really agressive BBS terran opening.
14cc is economical and only gets autoloss vs a really agressive prox 8rax or prox dualrax terran opening.

are you saying in 9 pool is more cheesy than 3 hatch before pool then? because by your logic that's how it works out

no im not saying that.
3hatch is way riskier than 14cc in tvt.

You can't draw my logic used for tvt to such conclusions.
I'm trying to explain why 8rax in tvt is more cheesy than 14cc in tvt.