EPTOn February 18 2009 20:47 okum wrote:
Let's not put too much blame on KTF. TvP *is* Flash's worst matchup after all.
Let's not put too much blame on KTF. TvP *is* Flash's worst matchup after all.
You're kidding right?
TvP is Flash's BEST MU
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
You're kidding right? TvP is Flash's BEST MU | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
edit: Flash has no "worst" matchup, hes one of those players that or so good, you cant really state they have a "worst" matchup you can only point to statistically insignificant difference, but TvT would probably be the easiest for him to lose in a straightup fashion, according to himself, but by no means is it his worst match up. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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ChoboOv
Canada126 Posts
On February 19 2009 04:43 .risingdragoon wrote: You're kidding right? TvP is Flash's BEST MU A quick look at the TLPD proves you are wrong sir vT: 52-22 (70.27%) vZ: 40-20 (66.67%) vP: 51-26 (66.23%) it is his worse matchup, just because he's still a monster in it doesn't mean its still his worse : P Can't wait to see Bisu vs Yellow[Arnc] Kim Taek Yong Fighting!!! | ||
GTR
51486 Posts
Then he turns to 'revolutionize' the match-up somewhat by making an anti-carrier build? Nether the less I personally think it's still his weakest match-up, although as stated above, the match-up stats in the TLPD are kind of inflated because of his first 6 months being awful vs P. | ||
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KOFgokuon
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mrgerry
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
Well..Stork vs July was a gimmie Stork's vZ is weak while July is on a vP killing spree .. amazing..Tester had Medusa and still lost to Leta well that could go both ways.. either Tester sucks monumentally or Leta is just a beast No suprises on BeST vs Flash.. The lost to Hwasin was just a hiccup to BeST and i still do believe that best has the "best" PvT and PvP amongst all toss players Now..Kal vs Lux was dissapointing..given his + Show Spoiler + all kill vs CJ | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 19 2009 04:58 ChoboOv wrote: A quick look at the TLPD proves you are wrong sir vT: 52-22 (70.27%) vZ: 40-20 (66.67%) vP: 51-26 (66.23%) it is his worse matchup, just because he's still a monster in it doesn't mean its still his worse : P Can't wait to see Bisu vs Yellow[Arnc] Kim Taek Yong Fighting!!! lol you're an idiot. TLPD ROFL | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On February 19 2009 04:58 ChoboOv wrote: A quick look at the TLPD proves you are wrong sir vT: 52-22 (70.27%) vZ: 40-20 (66.67%) vP: 51-26 (66.23%) it is his worse matchup, just because he's still a monster in it doesn't mean its still his worse : P What do you want me to say? That I've seen his tvp from the beginning? And you've only seen some numbers? What is a .44% suppose to mean? It's in the game, dude. Flash's known for 2 things - debuting on a 9-0 run vP, gets destroyed by stork's carriers, then coming back stronger than ever with a killer build. It's pretty obvious his vP was something back then when protoss destroyed all the terrans except him. Look at his stats on PvT heaven medusa: 7-1. Medusa PvT total is 35-15, Flash has half the wins for Terran on Medusa. Need I go on? His weakest is clearly vZ, he's dropped the most starleague series to zergs. daum osl - BO5 loss 2-3 ggplay (royal road blocked) gomtv msl 4 - BO5 loss 1-3 jaedong ever osl 08 - BO3 loss 0-2 luxury incruit osl - BO3 loss 1-2 ggplay (again) clubday msl - BO3 loss 0-2 yellow-arnc | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
The zerg/terran one is like 4 at most. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Best played amazing vs Flash. Everyone knows in the early mind games and opening builds, Flash totally raped Best. The fast robo failed, nexus cancel, shitty goon range cancel to bite him on the ass, and ... well that's a lot of early game failure. Flash obv makes a few turrets cuz the most logical thing would be Best to counter reaver drop buy time and get expo up and reclaim some lost advantage. Even by this point, with his CC faster than the Nexus and him throwing off Best's early game, Flash was definately in great shape. Then the 5 fact push came. And it doesn't get countered by 2base arb. This is a build to hit and kill a 2 base arb. Arbs are SLOWWW. They probably take like a command center lenght to build or something shitty. If Best had to macro, he coulda easily easily ran 6 smooth gate from 2 base. THAT, is the build that smashes this 5 fact nonsense. Instead he chose 4+star, allowing Flash to set up outside. Then the tension was super thick, and Best even waited for an arbiter (I dunno why though, it didn't really help breakt he contain) and then did one of those WTF Best moments. Yeah he has those. All kinds. Best is a very WTF gosu. Plus, he has never failed at OSL group stages, and even Flash won't change that. Besides that, I wanted to say watching Tester lose like that on Medusa... what a terrible way to start getting ready to retire. I made too much fun of that man over the years T.T I'm sorry Tester. I wish Leta didn't work you so hard. It was really really sad to watch. YOU SHOULDA EXPOED UP TOP YOU NOOB... god. =( Also, LOLOLOL FLASH YOUR ASS GOT RAPED BY BEST'S ONE BUILD ON THE HARDEST MAP FOR P~!!! KYAKYAKYAKAYKYAKYAKAYA | ||
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ChoboOv
Canada126 Posts
On February 19 2009 05:55 .risingdragoon wrote: What do you want me to say? That I've seen his tvp from the beginning? And you've only seen some numbers? What is a .44% suppose to mean? It's in the game, dude. Flash's known for 2 things - debuting on a 9-0 run vP, gets destroyed by stork's carriers, then coming back stronger than ever with a killer build. It's pretty obvious his vP was something back then when protoss destroyed all the terrans except him. Look at his stats on PvT heaven medusa: 7-1. Medusa PvT total is 35-15, Flash has half the wins for Terran on Medusa. Need I go on? His weakest is clearly vZ, he's dropped the most starleague series to zergs. daum osl - BO5 loss 2-3 ggplay (royal road blocked) gomtv msl 4 - BO5 loss 1-3 jaedong ever osl 08 - BO3 loss 0-2 luxury incruit osl - BO3 loss 1-2 ggplay (again) clubday msl - BO3 loss 0-2 yellow-arnc What now you are going to pick and choose which matches we can include so that your statement is true? Again I agree that he is a monster and I repeat an absolute MONSTER in TvP he destroys most Protoss players, but you cannot argue the numbers, you cannot start taking out matches just so that your argument is true. Maybe you need to be more specific in your argument and say CURRENTLY his best match up is TvP according to recent stats. But you did not mention any of that in your post. That is like me saying that Bisu's best matchup is PvP or PvT because currently he has been winning all those, but we all know that he is known for PvZ. But currently his PvZ has been lacking somewhat. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 19 2009 06:14 SuperJongMan wrote: Also, LOLOLOL FLASH YOUR ASS GOT RAPED BY BEST'S ONE BUILD ON THE HARDEST MAP FOR P~!!! KYAKYAKYAKAYKYAKYAKAYA <3, BeSt deserves a bit more love lately. WL has been ugly for him...hopefully he's just channeling his gosu for an OSL title. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 19 2009 06:22 ChoboOv wrote: What now you are going to pick and choose which matches we can include so that your statement is true? Again I agree that he is a monster and I repeat an absolute MONSTER in TvP he destroys most Protoss players, but you cannot argue the numbers, you cannot start taking out matches just so that your argument is true. Maybe you need to be more specific in your argument and say CURRENTLY his best match up is TvP according to recent stats. But you did not mention any of that in your post. That is like me saying that Bisu's best matchup is PvP or PvT because currently he has been winning all those, but we all know that he is known for PvZ. But currently his PvZ has been lacking somewhat. FlaSh's TvP hasn't been lacking at all, and it is still much better and more impressive than all of his other match-ups so I don't see your points. There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. | ||
SilverskY
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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oneofthem
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traced
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On February 19 2009 04:38 Jyvblamo wrote: It doesn't make things easier for him since it forces him to play Jaedong in the next round. no it doesn't, it gives him a 1/3 chance of playing jaedong. | ||
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