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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 05 2009 01:26 amorpheus wrote: Do you see mind winning a bo5 against a decent protoss (Kal, Stork, Bisu, Best, even BackHo)? dont make me laugh You realize he beat kal in a BO3 in the previous round right? And that he beat Bisu in his prime in a BO5. What the hell is laughable about that, Im pretty sure that mind has the #2 TvP right now (shared with fantasy). | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Mind will destroy Bisu , Best , Free and of course BackHo if he plays like he did versus Kal . Stork and JangBI are monstrously good in the MU and they can kill enyone and make it look easy ... Althought i don't give clear advantage over Mind to no one except JangBI , because Stork is already dead i'm looking forward to an epic Free vs Mind series . | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 05 2009 02:06 Frits wrote: You realize he beat kal in a BO3 in the previous round right? And that he beat Bisu in his prime in a BO5. What the hell is laughable about that, Im pretty sure that mind has the #1 TvP right now (with Skyhigh second). fixed After watching Flash's games today and Mind's games vs Kal i thing that Flash is losing his touch as the # 1 TvPer . | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 05 2009 02:13 raga4ka wrote: I actually think Skyhigh played better TvP then Flash . Nice aggressive style just like Iris from his team and microing very well his vultures like Mind . Flash played kinda of meh turtle turtle and in the end not even win . skyhighs play today was a bit more style specific. that hardcore 3 base timing rush is real good vs best since he almost always goes 3 base arbiter, gives a nice timing window if you can get your econ up in time and on a map like andro or medusa with 3 easy bases you can do it. flash style may be more entertaining, but it doesnt really have any holes (although part of that is because he does it so well). flash lost today because bisu played really good, quite a bit better than best. | ||
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blue_ling
Romania40 Posts
On January 05 2009 01:38 allowicious wrote: which game was it when tasteless was talking about his gom player? i must have missed it, and i really want to hear it  it was the last game from today, after it finished tasteless shows us his intimate consideration for gom player | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 05 2009 02:26 IdrA wrote: skyhighs play today was a bit more style specific. that hardcore 3 base timing rush is real good vs best since he almost always goes 3 base arbiter, gives a nice timing window if you can get your econ up in time and on a map like andro or medusa with 3 easy bases you can do it. flash style may be more entertaining, but it doesnt really have any holes (although part of that is because he does it so well). flash lost today because bisu played really good, quite a bit better than best. well hell do i know .... I just watched the games since i'm not a terran player and saw that Skyhigh overwhelmed Best in almost all the games with superior micro nice decisions and good macro . But i did thought that the style he showed was not just specificly to counter Best , but it was his normal style of play ... Since Skyhigh and you are on CJ i thought Iris has influenced his play , but thanks for the insight . | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 05 2009 02:26 IdrA wrote: skyhighs play today was a bit more style specific. that hardcore 3 base timing rush is real good vs best since he almost always goes 3 base arbiter, gives a nice timing window if you can get your econ up in time and on a map like andro or medusa with 3 easy bases you can do it. flash style may be more entertaining, but it doesnt really have any holes (although part of that is because he does it so well). flash lost today because bisu played really good, quite a bit better than best. Your post has a logical fallacy, it's not possible to play better than best. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1755 Posts
On January 05 2009 00:12 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I was watching the game and closed it when flash was at bisu's nat bridges because i thought the game was over. Flash killed all of bisu's army. The only army bisu had was a shuttle and temps. I see flash sending some tanks to both bisu's expos and thought gg. I come back later seeing that bisu won wtf. And reading the replies lost to hero dts  .Flash didn't "win" the game then and there like many might think. His expo at 9 was attacked earlier and he didn't really saturate it again, his main was running out, he just started 3, and his nat was also running out. Flash's production rate at that time was much, much slower than Bisu's (otherwise Flash's macro would have pumped more units than Bisu). Recall that Flash had a lot of tanks at Bisu's nat that was stormed / eventually destroyed, but no reinforcements really came in. Flash didn't have the game won in the sense that he had to do MORE than Bisu to win the game. Bisu just had to macro macro, get rid of the contain, and he was comfortably ahead maybe 5 bases to 2.5. EDIT: To be clear, Flash could have won the game there. But so could have Bisu. And Bisu did. I think Bisu was clearly the better player in this BO3. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On January 05 2009 03:09 disciple wrote: Some of the efforts to discredit today's bisus achievement are laughable. i wholeheartedly agree, he played better than best today. | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
On January 05 2009 02:06 Frits wrote: And that he beat Bisu in his prime in a BO5. What the hell is laughable about that, Im pretty sure that mind has the #2 TvP right now (shared with fantasy). MSL finals were quite long time ago and such flashes of hope (like the games vs Kal) will not stop his fall into oblivion. No matter one likes it or not (I for a reason dont care at all) | ||
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
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StRyKeR
United States1755 Posts
Also, Skyhigh was ahead for the last 2/3 of the game. He expoes twice because he's ahead, pressuring and sending vultures and tanks while Best was scrapping to defend his nat, his 9 o'clock, and barely surviving. I saw flashes of comebacks from Best but he really lost the game when he countered Skyhigh's main. In contrast, Flash was shaken by Bisu's late bulldog (and I don't think Bisu could have won without that rush) but he still had the "hanbang" as commentators would put it. The 2/1 upgraded terran army, near maxing out, pushing out -- that's what killed Bisu in the first game, and it was RAGY close to killing Bisu in game 3. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On January 05 2009 03:21 amorpheus wrote: MSL finals were quite long time ago and such flashes of hope (like the games vs Kal) will not stop his fall into oblivion. No matter one likes it or not (I for a reason dont care at all) Ignorance like yours is just terrible to behold. Kal's game a flash of hope? More like normalcy for Mind. Fall into oblivion? Is that what you call a 57% win rate and 7-3 in his last ten games? Laughable TvP? Is that what you call going 11-6 against the 6 dragons since his MSL win? Even most of his TvP losses have come from maps like Destination and Medusa, both of which have shown a clear imbalance in the favor of protoss. I doubt you even checked the facts before you posted, mostly like too busy feed your charizard rare candys to care. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
On January 05 2009 04:18 Fontong wrote: Ignorance like yours is just terrible to behold. thanks you're very kind | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On January 05 2009 04:26 oneofthem wrote: t1 haters are always eager to strike down our young and rising stars. I love Flash but my team icon is SKT1 seen? Omg, this really really is the tournament of upsets. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On January 05 2009 00:05 isbunk wrote: i heard he was blinded by the sun, his cat was running all over the keyboard and his mom kept coming in and bothering him. This is still unconfirmed. Sounds like me lol! | ||
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