WCG USA Pacific Qualifier

On August 18 2008 02:54 SCC-Faust wrote:
I had a nightmare that G5 beat Dino.

On August 18 2008 05:01 likeaboss wrote:
where are the live updates like we were promised ;(

On August 18 2008 08:22 ahole-surprise wrote:
Nice. Yosh has semi-pro level TvP, and he beat a very good PvT'er in G5. Glad to see them move on. The only other foreigner who compares in TvP is BratOK. I haven't seen Idra in action since the TSL so I can't say anything about him and Strelok's TvP is flaky.

On August 18 2008 11:16 shocky2007 wrote:
dino lost, as expected no surprise

gj g5 & yosh

On August 19 2008 01:22 iakNab wrote:


what is this barking for? he could have won his 1-2 series vs G5 and then we'd have 1 less nerd trying to post something everybody knows about

On August 19 2008 13:32 Machine[USA] wrote:
ok heres what actually happened between g5 and dino
first game G5 went 2 gate expo and Dino went 3 gate goon allin, Dino had 2-3x the amount of goons as g5 so it was very apparent that he was going to win the game and he started typing "so hows life" "why are you so bad" so eric says stop fucking bming me and dino typed "stop getting raped", then g5 pulls off his headset and shakes dinos chair for him to look and dino finnaly pulls around and eric says "why the fuck are you talking shit" and dino said like "why are you talking shit" and so eric repeated "why the fuck are you talking shit to me?" and dino says "cuz your bad" and all his little east possy started laughing, then the admin came over and said everyoen had to be gm etc and eric dident say anything else, he just face stommped dino until dino started crying. Then he left without talking to anyone.

On August 20 2008 02:32 G5 wrote:
US Finals Baby~

Z - Machine
P - G5
P - NonY
P - Louder
P - Future
T - Skew
T - Artosis
T - IdrA
T - Nyoken
T - Yosh

GL ALL~

On August 20 2008 02:37 ret wrote:


damn it's too bad there's some newbs in there like future, louder, and artosis.

On August 20 2008 01:56 Hot_Bid wrote:
someone tell us what actually happened

i heard dino peed his pants during the match

On August 20 2008 08:19 iakNab wrote:


actually there were some tears, and it wasn't dino

On August 20 2008 02:37 ret wrote:


damn it's too bad there's some newbs in there like future, louder, and artosis.

On August 20 2008 08:29 Machine[USA] wrote:

ok every little east newbie that was their somehow came up with the conclusion that G5 was crying, wtf? Yosh Xeris G5 Inc, can you back me when i say that it DEFINITLY was not g5 crying? lol

On August 20 2008 13:25 Machine[USA] wrote:

no offence, i think its great your here and all, im not saying your bad but i do believe that lzgamer is way better and should have beaten you.

On August 20 2008 13:25 Machine[USA] wrote:

no offence, i think its great your here and all, im not saying your bad but i do believe that lzgamer is way better and should have beaten you.

On August 20 2008 16:29 Louder wrote:
Mod Edit

On August 20 2008 16:27 Louder wrote:


You may indeed be right. It's funny though that I've only lost once to either of you out of numerous games (a few on my smurfs) in the last 6~ months. Maybe you've both just improved more than I can fathom. In any case I'm definitely not among the best players on the list and expect to receive numerous rapes.

On August 20 2008 16:29 Louder wrote:
Mod edit

On August 18 2008 08:22 ahole-surprise wrote:
Nice. Yosh has semi-pro level TvP, and he beat a very good PvT'er in G5. Glad to see them move on. The only other foreigner who compares in TvP is BratOK. I haven't seen Idra in action since the TSL so I can't say anything about him and Strelok's TvP is flaky.

On August 21 2008 01:47 Hot_Bid wrote:
Yeah auto-temp bans for people that hint drop to what happened without actually saying what happened.

On August 21 2008 02:17 Louder wrote:


Wasn't a hint drop. Machine and LZ both know they have losing records vs me. It's cool though.

And Machine I've never passed D+ on ICCup =(

On August 21 2008 03:09 Hot_Bid wrote:
edit: you should only talk about things where you were present, don't speculate

On August 21 2008 03:25 Machine[USA] wrote:
what the fuck lol when have i lost to you?

On August 21 2008 03:34 Machine[USA] wrote:
w/e lets just have a sm or something lol I hate it when people say that shit

On August 21 2008 03:23 Louder wrote:


WOW. You will have to excuse me for not taking Chill and G5's word that G5 threw a game. If G5 says he's reincarnated Jesus I'd better not speculate that he's not.

On August 21 2008 03:48 Chill wrote:

Forgiven.

PS stop being a douche please. You're always in every thread starting shit with everyone. I'm saying this as a TL member, not a mod, I'm getting sick of you douching everything up.

Thanks!

On August 21 2008 04:34 Louder wrote:


If by everyone you mean the douchebags in the media/88 crowd then sure, I have no problem starting shit with them. And if by every thread you mean two or three WCG threads that were hijacked by the aforementioned douchebags, then yes, I post in every thread and start shit with everyone.

On August 21 2008 05:15 G5 wrote:


your an idiot

On August 21 2008 09:36 Louder wrote:
I will get into an argument with a certain group of people, for sure. You will notice in other threads beside these WCG threads where I participate, this hasn't happened. The media/88 crew + their flunkies are people I have problems with, so of course I argue with them. Wooptie doo. Get over it.

On August 21 2008 11:02 PaeZ wrote:
Stop the flame and everyone in here GET OVER IT, everything will settle down in the Finals, there is no point to continue with this nonsense, if any doubts still remain, play a b07 SM shoutcasted by Teamliquid Machine vs Louder and may the better player win...

On August 21 2008 10:54 likeaboss wrote:
you should act like your age, which is like 30

On August 21 2008 09:36 Louder wrote:Get over it.

On August 21 2008 13:00 Straylight wrote:


You get over it.

On August 21 2008 14:51 Neshapotamus wrote:
Louder, you are a joke. Seriously, every player in WCG wishes he is in your group so he can trash you for an easy win. Not only that, you crawled your way into wcg by massive luck. What I mean by this is, one was the fact you screwed over g5, not that this helped you. Two, you screwed me over. If I didn't have work and if you were man enough to reschedule your matches against me, you would have been slammed. Also, the entire commotion about someone else playing for me, I asked a person 1/10 my skill level to play and you still lost to him, you are terrible. The reason you didn't want to play me in the first place was because I ran you over in the previous qualifiers with ease. Due to that, you were able to place second. Now you're here talking shit like you are some hot-shot player who has beaten jake/bryce on smurf accounts. Face the truth, you don't have a smurf account cause you are the type of person who would brag about getting B/B- on ICCUP.

On August 21 2008 13:47 Machine[USA] wrote:
Louder i dont quite get why you hate me soo much i dont think ive done anything to be mean to you

On August 21 2008 15:14 Louder wrote:

I'm a trash talking prick because I point out the fact that I have won more than lost vs Machine and Lz?

On August 21 2008 15:46 IdrA wrote:

yes, because thats either a lie or you havent played them in the past year. especially given that you back it up by saying that you played them on smurfs that you dont want to reveal.

On August 21 2008 15:53 Louder wrote:


I have a winning rec vs Machine as "Louder[LighT]". Whatever. Ok I'm done here til there's some fresh drama.

On August 21 2008 03:28 Louder wrote:


Well we've played each other on smurfs a couple of times on IC Cup but I'd rather not list mine here.

On August 21 2008 16:50 Neshapotamus wrote:
Right, me and evade are joke players. It doesn't matter that evade has made it to WCG 4 times before that. And it also doesn't matter that I was better than a lot of people last year. Seriously, if you want to sound fucking stupid, be my guest. But don't say things out of your asshole, you stupid shit. Do some research instead of talking out of your ass.

On August 21 2008 18:59 Neshapotamus wrote:
Oh, when did I consider myself a hot-shot. You keep saying you are a stupid newbie, but you still say shit that you are better than other people by smurfing and beating Jake/Bryce and, then saying you have a winning record vs them. If that is not, acccording to you, "ego out of proportion", than I don't know what is. Just take a dose of reality that and realize that you are a hopeless hypocrite scum.

On August 21 2008 17:40 fonger wrote:
From an outside perspective, Louder's posts just seem to be an escalating reaction to being called a "noob" after making it to USA finals, then having it stated that someone who he beat was "way better" than him. I don't know much of the history here, but surely that's a concept some of you can understand. I do know I wouldn't react well to that sort of shit.

On August 22 2008 01:46 Xeris wrote:


omg, someone actually looking at the posts objectively O_O! <3

On August 21 2008 17:19 mahnini wrote:
the only reason i dont 99-0 all you fags and facestomp the rest of the world including desetroying whateveer loser progamer korea manages to send is because then id actually have to meet all of you in person which would make me projectile vomit all over the nice computers that wcg provides

FACT: im actually 345-0 against all of you on my smurf

On August 22 2008 05:47 Chill wrote:
I don't know whether to close this, sticky it, or ban everyone.

On August 22 2008 07:42 Xeris wrote:
you can do all 3. sticky it and close it so no more responses, then ban every person that posted in this thread.

On August 22 2008 05:47 Chill wrote:
I don't know whether to close this, sticky it, or ban everyone.

On August 22 2008 09:55 Xeris wrote:
we try... :p

I think its a concerted effort by all USA gamers to get the most e-medals for drama. Throughout the year, everyone is civil, but around WCG times, we bring out the big drama guns.

On August 21 2008 15:14 Louder wrote:


LOL. I will repeat it again: I don't claim to be among the better players at WCG. I expect to get raped. What part of this do you people not read? I'm a trash talking prick because I point out the fact that I have won more than lost vs Machine and Lz? Give me a break. I know I won't do anything special at WCG. Don't care either. It'll be fun to watch Nony again live ~~

On another note, it's funny you talked that particular line of shit, considering you/evade were the "joke" players last year. I know you think you're some hot-shot player... rofl.

On August 22 2008 09:35 SCC-Faust wrote:
Machine, I got a few pics you could add to your collection.

For your eyes only...
+ Show Spoiler +

PM me for the whole collection.

On August 22 2008 12:40 Superiorwolf wrote:

Hmm, so louder, do you think it'd be okay if I started telling everyone how I 2-1'd you in the WCG qualifiers? It's completely unfounded that you're mentioning beating Machine in the past 6 months. How is this even related to the topic? It's also screwed up, you're saying that if LzGamer was better than you, he should have won, implying you ARE the better player. Well guess what, winning a few games does not prove you the better player - especially with the lame choice of maps. Look, I don't care if you keep saying "oh, I'm going to get raped lololol" but you keep causing unnecessary drama and if anything, humble yourself because you were crushed 2-1 by THE WOLF.

In all seriousness, I don't care about anything you claim to have said and don't care how immature Idra's response or anyone else's responses to your posts are/were - you're an inciting bitch.

On August 22 2008 09:35 SCC-Faust wrote:
Machine, I got a few pics you could add to your collection.

For your eyes only...
+ Show Spoiler +

PM me for the whole collection.

On August 22 2008 23:45 Louder wrote:


If only I hadn't recently formatted, as mentioned in my previous post. I never said I was better than lzgamer OR machine. Never. You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. I went to great lengths after WCG prelim to state that I felt I got lucky with maps and build orders. Saying I have a winning record vs people is not claiming I'm better - it's an attempt to point out to people who say those players are "way better" than me that maybe you don't know the differences between my skill and those players.

I said if lz was "so much better" than me, he should have won. If a player is dramatically better than you, something as simple as a slightly better build order on Blue Storm is not going to give you a free win over them.

All of you stupid, illiterate, flaming douchebags should also note that I never said I expect to beat Machine or own him or anything else at the finals. I said I don't think he's one of the best there, and I don't expect to be raped. Given I have a history of beating Machine when I do play him I think I may have a chance. Maybe not? So what? You think it's necessary to crucify me for my opinion? Go fuck yourselves.

On August 20 2008 08:45 Louder wrote:


I'm just going to have fun LZ should have beaten me if he is that much better Oh well.

On August 20 2008 16:27 Louder wrote:


You may indeed be right. It's funny though that I've only lost once to either of you out of numerous games (a few on my smurfs) in the last 6~ months. Maybe you've both just improved more than I can fathom. In any case I'm definitely not among the best players on the list and expect to receive numerous rapes.

But like most of the American players I find really disgusting, your ego is radically out of proportion to your skill.

On August 23 2008 04:43 DanceCommander wrote:
SM TEAM MELEE MACHINE AND WOLF VS LOUDER

On August 23 2008 05:21 Superiorwolf wrote:
Machine + me vs Louder + Xeris?

On August 23 2008 05:23 Superiorwolf wrote:
Why Dino? -_-;;

On August 23 2008 05:27 Superiorwolf wrote:
Not Dino, maybe some other Protoss maybe?

On August 23 2008 05:31 Superiorwolf wrote:
There are versions of hack that can bypass iccup ah... don't know for sure but didn't hackmacker release his private version to public (and people had to pay for private one before to bypass ah)?

On August 23 2008 05:40 stalife wrote:
louder is very much capable of winning vs top players... he's got solid micro/macro with knowledge of many build orders. He's got to B+ on iccup (or A-, im not sure, but one season, 10~12 light members got A- or better)..

if you guys really wanna talk about skill level difference between machine, lz, and louder, i would say there isnt much difference... but between yosh, nony, idra, and louder, o yeah louder will get raped easy.

It's really silly to compare skill levels of players that are just mediocre (no offence) when they are not up to par with best of foreigners. (I'm sure everyone would agree lz, machine, and louder arent at the skill level of mondragon, nony, idra, strelok, gosia...) I'm sure there's a phrase in the english language, but in korean, it's called "measuring heights of two acorns..." no matter what, they're both short, and the difference is negligible in the big picture

On August 23 2008 08:33 G5 wrote:


I believe Machine is the best all-around usa zerg player atm. He has improved tremendously over the past few months. LzGaMeR has the best ZvT in USA and has worked on it for basically all year expecting a bunch of Terrans in USA WCG. Then at the last moment the 2 terrans drop out and Louder replaces and he lost in a match up he never practices. Overall, Lz is better then Louder in my honest opinion and the same goes for Machine.

On August 23 2008 09:21 Machine[USA] wrote:

funny your talking about dodging

On August 23 2008 14:37 Louder wrote:
Nesh it wasn't an edit after you posted. Fucking dumb douchebag.

Do you actually think I care if team 88 doesn't want to talk to me at wcg? Seriously?

On August 23 2008 16:41 AttackZerg wrote:



Don't go out of your way to make wcg tense/gay. I swear the american BW scene is so gay .... everybody sits around and talk shit or spreads rumors ...

Dude, you are a pretty inactive member of the tl.net community until wcg then you go out of your way to stir up trouble. Why? ... I would have way more fun kicking it with everybody and having a great time then partaking in immature bullshit ... who knows maybe its just because I'm a parent ....


oh wait .... aren't you also? ....

(spend less time worrying about grammer and make a few friends , then wcg isn't just about going to win/lose but a fun life experience .... who knows maybe I just prefer to be happy?)

On August 23 2008 18:39 Louder wrote:
FORVIK wow.. .learn someting new every day.

On August 20 2008 14:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
ok from now on, anyone that supports or is a fan of any hacker / abuser will be automatically banned

On August 23 2008 05:25 Louder wrote:
Because Dino is the other target of abuse in this thread? And he's good? And it'd be fun?

On August 25 2008 01:08 SS[1] wrote:
I love Dino he does me in the ass every night

On August 25 2008 01:27 TreK wrote:
power to the hackers

On August 25 2008 01:37 MYM.Testie wrote:
That TreK kid is a newb. He was only caught once.
lol learn 2 get caught more plz.

On August 25 2008 03:17 Machine[USA] wrote:
ya new iccup launcher update just came out, will be interesting to see if dino keeps playing these next few days O_O

On August 25 2008 03:17 Machine[USA] wrote:
ya new iccup launcher update just came out, will be interesting to see if dino keeps playing these next few days O_O

On August 25 2008 03:27 Hot_Bid wrote:

no doubt fagnystor is already working on it

On August 25 2008 03:46 Aurious wrote:

Why wouldn't he, he showed he can compete at a fairly high level, if he still does hack it would be best for him to play during this time to avoid the worst.

On August 25 2008 03:48 Aurious wrote:


Zynastor just released it because moto was being a dick to him. You think that he would have otherwise? He said so himself that he had no intention of releasing it, but he got provoked. Just because he is on the opposite end of things no need for names.

On August 25 2008 03:48 Aurious wrote:


Zynastor just released it because moto was being a dick to him. You think that he would have otherwise? He said so himself that he had no intention of releasing it, but he got provoked. Just because he is on the opposite end of things no need for names.

On August 25 2008 04:29 MYM.Testie wrote:
What does Zynastor have to gain by ruining a community?
I have never met a hacker I have liked. I don't mean a map hacker, I mean someone who creates hacks and acts like they hold power over people due to their extreme knowledge in the nerd domain.

On August 25 2008 04:30 Frits wrote:
Yeah it's not like he ruins it for the rest of the community by releasing his hacks to everyone and intentionally cracking the iccup anti-hack system.

And thinking something is fun is completely irrelevant to the morality of what he thinks is fun, in this case what he happens to think is fun is hurtful to the community so we have every right to be pissed off at him.

Plus I won't go so far to being a complete dick to him. There is no need for it.

On August 25 2008 04:34 Aurious wrote:


Like I said, I don't support, but I won't crucify. Plus I won't go so far to being a complete dick to him. There is no need for it. There is also no need to create the hacks in the first place. We enjoy playing the game the way it was made. He enjoys cracking it and sharing with his community the same way we do with ours. Just the problem is that we effect each other in the process.