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GOGO ANYTIME~~ I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CA10824 Posts
my predictions: Anytime > Frozean Mind > July Mind > Anytime Frozean > July Anytime > Frozean
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it's mind's first OSL, I expect him to deliver here
and I would be surprised if Anytime did not advance
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Does it even really count since they just made ODT a part of the OSL? :0
Tough group though. If Frozean manages to arse his way through yet another Ro32, I'm going to be pissed.
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I am aware of anytime's ability, but somehow i wouldn't be very surprised if he failed to advance. On the other hand, I cannot see July making it out of this group at all.
still, same predictions as losingid8
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Hungary11232 Posts
Surprisingly little info for a thread this early.
Anyway, I hope for Anytime and Mind. Mind going through should be a no-brainer, he was amazing lately, he literally demolished Kal.
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Anytime will win vs Mind in the final after which Mind will take the losers final. This will help my liquibet points as well.
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i love july anytime and mind they are my fav players for each respective race ; ; it kills me knowing one will not advance, but above all else july is my numba one GO JULY
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MIND!!!!!!! MY NEW FAV TERRAN
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i was gonna add more information, but i had to close out of my screen cuz i was at work.... LOST A PAGE OF TYPING UP WHY I PREDICTED WHAT~ T_____T
edit*
i have no desire to do everything again so basically the jist of it was, frozean woont make it cuz he sucks.
july will win the final round against mind cuz he just switched to a new team. i just have a hunch he will take mind for the final spot because remember last time he made a team switch? it kind of reminds me of contract season for the NFL/NBA, they play like madmen~~~ insane performances.
anytime will make it because for the first time in his career, he is excelling nomatter what season it is (IE. not just fall). plus i am biased toward anytime like LR is to yellow/nal_ra/reach.
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United States40776 Posts
Anytime should demolish FrOzean and Mind should demolish July. However Mind is a TvP specialist and should be able to gain the upper hand in a fairly even game with Anytime. FrOzean is a worse player than July but with all the shit going with July right now I'll give FrOzean the win here. That leaves FrOzean and Anytime playing a re, which Anytime should win.
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anytime, i believe.
you were a pvt specialist. show them again.
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Predictions Anytime > Frozean Mind > July Anytime > Mind July > Frozean Mind > July
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Anytime is advancing 6-0 so ez.
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On April 25 2008 12:14 clazziquai wrote: Predictions Anytime > Frozean Mind > July Anytime > Mind July > Frozean Mind > July
This.
but we all can dream that July will completely destroy Mind, can't we?
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I hope July gets through. I have a feeling we will be seeing his retirement, if he doesn't qualify for any leagues this time around.
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My liquid bet :
Anytime > Frozen Mind < July Anytime > July Frozen > Mind Frozen > July
Wow .. I really dont like mind ...
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will bisu also join stx after one year of slump? lol
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Can I watch it live with Daum Player? Or is there any other/better stream nowadays?
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On April 25 2008 17:16 ther wrote: Can I watch it live with Daum Player? Or is there any other/better stream nowadays?
Seconded, I'm wondering where this is going to be broadcast. I assume Daum will have it but will the more "stable" sources going to be up aswell? (YY, Naver, Pandora)
I dont see anything that looks like the OSL on the naver esports portal, but then again I don't speak Korean
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I've DLed the Daum Player, found the Group C VODs, but i wanna get a live OGN channel broadcast. Or is it up only when the matches starts?
Edit: I've found it on the schedule@daumplayer but it doesnt have an active link yet, but the program that is on now has, so i guess there will be one, when the time has come.
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It starts in about 1 hour.
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Didn't someone write a RUN-script to convert the daum player into English? Used the search function but either I'm a tool or the thread isn't named what I imagined it would be.
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On April 25 2008 12:14 clazziquai wrote: Predictions Anytime > Frozean Mind > July Anytime > Mind July > Frozean Mind > July Same predictions
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On April 25 2008 13:03 ilbh wrote: will bisu also join stx after one year of slump? lol Then July will move to Ace
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Anytime/Mind to advance. Anytime is just Anytime, and Mind has a brain.
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On April 25 2008 18:03 o3.power91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 12:14 clazziquai wrote: Predictions Anytime > Frozean Mind > July Anytime > Mind July > Frozean Mind > July Same predictions Same.
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On April 25 2008 18:02 GinNtoniC wrote: Didn't someone write a RUN-script to convert the daum player into English? Used the search function but either I'm a tool or the thread isn't named what I imagined it would be. I saw that about GOM, not sure we have the same for daum
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this group is just horrible, I'll truly cheer for frozean lol Cute angle & anytime fighting!!!
Pandora working for anyone?
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Pretty nice group I have anytime and mind advancing, but somehow I accidently voted frozean to win against anytime on their first map. Shit=/
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Cuteangel will win!! He always manage somehow to qualify :D. I smell an upset against Anytime :p
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FrOzean < AnyTime Mind > July Mind > Anytime July > FrOzean Anytime > July
my LB :p
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anytime looks bored "Why should I even play with this noob?"
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Anytime advances 2-0. If July gets angry, he can make it. Otherwise Mind will win the final game.
PS : Sh!t !!! Pandora is just a big lag and Daum updates yet again...
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FrOzean < AnyTime Mind > July Mind < Anytime July < FrOzean Mind > Frozen
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daum is okay tonight.. just okay not great =D
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grandpa and grandma Sc fan?
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Russian Federation386 Posts
On April 25 2008 18:39 BeaTeR wrote: FrOzean < AnyTime Mind > July Mind < Anytime July < FrOzean Mind > July
You mean Mind > Frozean?
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frozen build 2 more rax. this will be failure. 3*
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anyone can post direct link to naver pls? or live report thx a lot
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4 rax what hell is happening?
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lol yes my stream is too fucking behind
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I love frozeans build...5 rax 1 fact bio mech --> move out as soon as observer comes.
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Forzean mass rax + tanks!
cool!
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Anytime got reavers soon :S
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anytime will have enough time to prepare cuteangle will be raped
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Is it just me or does Daum update every time I start it?
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He should get those reavers out ASAP
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Frozean pushing anytimes nat, big battle he wins?
REAVER GET KILLED LOL ANYTIMES NAT GOES DOWN
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Lol really loving that I accidently voted for frozean;)
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god damn it, i think i bet anytime. fucking late reavers.
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I love how COMPLETELY wrong the people who said frozean would fail were. That was a perfect timing attack and it will win him the game
Assuming he doesnt massively fuck up his mmf control vs reaver.
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OMFG FROZEAN IS WINNING!! HE REALLY DID HAV 50% CHANCE!!!
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This is over, anytime looses another expo T_T
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Hungary11232 Posts
Respect for Frozean for pulling this off, but I think it won't work through the game. Reavers will rape him.
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On April 25 2008 18:52 JoxxOr wrote: This is over, anytime looses another expo T_T
not quite, still 2 vs 2 base.
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second time anytimes nat dies :S
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Actually its completely over--
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shitass reaver drop Anytime. suppose to micro on the 2 tanks no?
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wow. anytime is being completely outplayed here. which is sad.
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Frozean is taking advantage of the double bridge on the map.
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omg ROFL -_- .. last days totally shitting all over my LB lol omg
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flank does jackshit, front nat destoryed, far nat getting raped also. this is fucking over -_-
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Did Anytime just lose BOTH reavers to the tanks?
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i can hear the commentators saying 'templar' every 10 seconds, which makes you wonder : )
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GG frozean wins :D
Bio ftw
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Damn, Anytime threw any chance at a comeback away there.
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I don't think anytime encountered that build much in practice at all because he handled it really poorly.
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Anytime defend well could go either way
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Have I seen GG on my lagged stream ?
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ok mind needs to teach this noob a lesson
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
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1 point BABY Cuteangel 2-0 this group for me!!
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O M F G ! ! Has the world gone totally haywire ? ! ? :-O
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Where were anytime's templars?
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On April 25 2008 18:57 Sunyveil wrote: ok mind needs to teach this noob a lesson noob as in July, or the loser's match?
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I don't like Mind I hope July wins..though I really doubt it in the form July's been in
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.. oh boy._.
Hope AT and Mind advance.. :[
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omg why anytime always upsets me
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damn thats depressing. completely one sided and lost.
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On April 25 2008 18:59 G.s)NarutO wrote: .. oh boy._.
Hope AT and Mind advance.. :[
my hopes are the same.
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Can't believe the god of death lost to a guy named CuteAngel :/
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On April 25 2008 19:00 amorpheus wrote:lol LMFAO XD
I voted anytime T_T 0/1 so far
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On April 25 2008 18:57 Aesop wrote:Now for July > Mind to ruin yet another day of liquibetting and for the sake of Mind getting thrown out of the OSL
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Looking at liquibet stats David(FrOzean) won with Goliat (Anytime)
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Okay now I'm seriously gonna just bet against myself. I lost the last 3 or 4 "sure" bets I had :/
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Frozean is anti-Lecaf man hehe
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Anytime! You're such a sucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG my LB! T.T
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JULLLLLYYYYY!!! gogogogog! I didnt vote for you but WIN IT!
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OMFG July looks evil in his new uniform
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july looks cool in his stx uniform
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damn my stomach fucked up, seeing mind didnt help a lot Go burger zerg!
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JULY!!!! gogogogo
(btw really nice build by cuteangle, I'm sure anytime was having a hard time countering that with only one gas since he massed goons before he knew what was coming =P)
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God of War at 5, Mind at 11.
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yeah it was a BO win, it can always happen in one game, I dont think that frozean was superior or something
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Mind will interestingly wall at his ramp as he makes his first depot there. July sends out an early drone to scout, he also makes an overlord first followed by 2 drones so he will expand shortly.
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On April 25 2008 19:14 M2 wrote: yeah it was a BO win, it can always happen in one game, I dont think that frozean was superior or something but anytime's response was pretty weak/inadequate
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old white man in the audience
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Mind starts his barracks at his wall spot in time to block the drone for gaining access to his base. He cancels the building of that first scv and uses it to chase the harassing drone. Wow...july makes gas BEFORE pool, but after his nat hatch. Pool followed shortly after. Mind scouts with the weakned scv that was chasing the scout drone.
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On April 25 2008 18:59 anch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 18:57 Sunyveil wrote: ok mind needs to teach this noob a lesson noob as in July, or the loser's match? Maybe referring to Mind win losers and beat Frozean in Final?
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Mind going mech? Wtf. Its no gas natural map stupid >.<
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Gooooo July!!! Mind walling in
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Mind going fact first July blocks his ramp with 2 drones..then one as he realizes how weak the scv is.
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On April 25 2008 19:15 MarklarMarklar wrote: old white man in the audience
Shit, corporate America found SC!
In seriousness, I think he was there with his son, whom I'm going to stereotypically assume is the one who wanted to go.
In other news: first we see a TvP biomech build, and now it looks like we're going to see a TvZ mech build on this map.
Maybe standard play is suspect here? : x
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LOL JULY GET 3 LINGS INSIDE MINDS BASE :D
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Daum player lags for me like hell, but YY's TVants is fine. TVants is some minutes behind the live, but never lags. ^^
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2 marines scare away a scouting overlord before it can see anything. Second fact from mind. He is most likely using boxer's old school nostalgia build where you rush with 2 fact vults and contain at the ramp with mines to deny zerg their second nat and 2nd gas. Quick lair from july. Before his sunken is started... 4 lings or so harass the wallin but are scared away by 2 fearsome marines of doom. THe rax is lifted to let a vult out and 3 lings scout the build! But july probably knew it already.
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Bionic in TvP and metal in TvZ ??
O_O
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July with a very very quick spire. He also makes another sunk near the ramp to block access and blocks it with 2 lings. Mind NEEDS anti air shortly or this could be a very easy game for July.
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this game is so whack, both players should just gg and take a loss
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Mind got no turrets or armory done, mind will get raped by godly mutas
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An armory is almost done but it may not be enough. Ok ebay is started now but mutas are ALREADY out. The mines see them though! Mind is in DEEP SHIT! He has almost no antiair prepared and is desperatly preparing bunkers.
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Well Mind is in the same team as Casy.
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how will mind handle the mutas when they come?
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Desperation turrets up at he main...Mind is safe for now lol. Hes also countering the second gas with all his vults and 2 marines but 2 hero mutas save it just in time. Mind carelessly loses the rest of his vults to mutas + lings. 4 gols out , mind is safe and we should have a pretty nice game on our hands
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He is fighting with Goliaths.
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Mind not repairing his shits. getting harass like hell.
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July has finally secured his second gas and is trying to harass minds goliaths with an equal number of mutas. Not a good idea...he lost way too many there (4 or so) Hes taking the mid top right gas though.
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I seriously doubt mind will be able to handle july though.. July simply has too many gases. He was unable to delay the 2nd gas long enough and now july will get too many mutas for mind to stop on one gas.
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july expoing over the whole map lol
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Mind still pinned in his base because of muta threat... July massing mutas and lings whiletaking the map. Mind's going to need some insane vult harass to even have a prayer
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On April 25 2008 19:19 noobienoob wrote: this game is so whack, both players should just gg and take a loss What the fuck are you talking about?
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Mind finally starting tosecure his 2nd gas. REally really late thugh...
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GG from mind lol july wins:D!
0/2 LB
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As expected july moves in with a HUGE swarm of mutas and lings and absolutely crushes the goliath army
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On April 25 2008 19:25 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 19:19 noobienoob wrote: this game is so whack, both players should just gg and take a loss What the fuck are you talking about? mind played like shit the whole game, and july took forever to finish him, finally gg from mind edit: his build order was a complete failure, but i almost felt july's response was even worse, he pulled through tho
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lol july really wins.. tonight's matches are interesting to say the least..
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wtf my lb
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ok, correction
time for July to sumo slam this testosteroneless pansy
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this will probably end up like Flash vs July, the mass muta fails.
nvm spoke too early and YY stalls.
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MIND GG's!!!!! JULY WINS
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fuck you MInd! 3 wrong votes in a row ??!!??!? T.T
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It was very clear the Mind expected July to open with ling/lurk and July out smarted him by opening muta. Evidence of this is how carefully July blocked his ramp.
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Hungary11232 Posts
This is too hard for me. Mind vs. Anytime in losers YEAH SURE.
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WTF i give up at liquibet
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On April 25 2008 19:27 noobienoob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 19:25 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On April 25 2008 19:19 noobienoob wrote: this game is so whack, both players should just gg and take a loss What the fuck are you talking about? mind played like shit the whole game, and july took forever to finish him, finally gg from mind Whatever you say...
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
JULY I LOVE YOU
i love how not even 1/4 of all people picked july @ liquibet
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OMG 2 points now!! Thank you July!!
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On April 25 2008 19:28 blagoonga123 wrote: WTF i give up at liquibet
same
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what!!! July Won. Im surprised July dosent win anymore
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On April 25 2008 19:29 Carnac wrote: JULY I LOVE YOU
i love how not even 1/4 of all people picked july @ liquibet Well its a pretty tough map for Z
Mind did a really poor job of delaying that second gas. You're supposed to make the zerg at LEAST use his mutas to scare the vults away, mind let july expand there quickly AND allowed the mutas to go right to his main.
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Zerg + erotic physique = never fails !
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This OSL is whack, upset wins all over.
Fun, though.
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and july's been pretty bad lately, unlike mind
edit lol at retarded ads
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Lol mind was so stupid go for mech on a map where there's no gas at the natural.
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I was scared of Mind's many goliath but seems they weren't so tough.
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I hope Mind stays behind this group.
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On April 25 2008 19:30 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 19:29 Carnac wrote: JULY I LOVE YOU
i love how not even 1/4 of all people picked july @ liquibet Well its a pretty tough map for Z Mind did a really poor job of delaying that second gas. You're supposed to make the zerg at LEAST use his mutas to scare the vults away, mind let july expand there quickly AND allowed the mutas to go right to his main.
yes it is however similar to nostalgia and july was god on nosta
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On April 25 2008 19:30 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 19:29 Carnac wrote: JULY I LOVE YOU
i love how not even 1/4 of all people picked july @ liquibet Well its a pretty tough map for Z Mind did a really poor job of delaying that second gas. You're supposed to make the zerg at LEAST use his mutas to scare the vults away, mind let july expand there quickly AND allowed the mutas to go right to his main.
Thats a bit strange, b/c this map is like nostalgia (no gas on nat) and there it was a huge drowback for Z.
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On April 25 2008 19:31 Sawajiri wrote:This OSL is whack, upset wins all over. Fun, though.
my sentiments exactly
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If cuteangel wins here I will be sad :'(
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Now cute fight for my liquidbet and win!!
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On April 25 2008 19:28 blagoonga123 wrote: WTF i give up at liquibet
Can I please join you?
Damn the last couple of days have been utter LB shite. Lost my feeling with things and from 20 to 100 in two days betting is depressing. Especially with the forthcoming random TSL bets...
But now I've got it. Should just vote the opposite of what I'm sure of and I'll be good again
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July top left Frozean bottom left
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fuck, i didnt vote for July, god damn tonight.
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my liquibet is just totally screwed up...
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Seems like he changed his name back to Frozean.
I don't know why he would, Cute Angel was such a great name...!
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I won't make any predicton for this OSL any more. Too many (ad) surprises. The games aren't really thrilling, but at least the outome is unexpected most of the time. I just hope July rapes Frozean, Anytime crushes Mind, and both throw a brilliant game on Troy, with Anytime somehow coming on top.
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Frozean RAPED:D! 9 pool <3
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ill hav a max of 1/4 for today. I hope i dont get 0/4 T_T
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rofl... GOOD JOB FROZEAN
that's what the mind vs july should've looked like rofl, yay july ez
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Lol the old july is back.
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Thanks for updating OP T.T.
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gg frozean looses.
Fucking yes july even though it was frozean who fucked up
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Really nice Marine sniping timing by July.
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51134 Posts
lol i saw glimpses of the old people
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LOL JULY 2-0!!!
Frozean fixing his hair after that defeat
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Hahah! What do you think of that OOV?! sending July out to dry. God of War never dies! You should know that better than anyone.
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On April 25 2008 19:33 ther wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 19:30 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On April 25 2008 19:29 Carnac wrote: JULY I LOVE YOU
i love how not even 1/4 of all people picked july @ liquibet Well its a pretty tough map for Z Mind did a really poor job of delaying that second gas. You're supposed to make the zerg at LEAST use his mutas to scare the vults away, mind let july expand there quickly AND allowed the mutas to go right to his main. Thats a bit strange, b/c this map is like nostalgia (no gas on nat) and there it was a huge drowback for Z. Umm..then how is that strange?
I said quite clearly it's a tough map for Z. Just like nostalgia.
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Wooot JULY JULY JULY JULY !
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OMG July going quazzzi! :D
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Now, THAT was more like Frozean's REAL level : being reaped to shreds by mere lings within a couple of minutes. Lovely. Now Anytime, get angry, avenge yourself and your teammate Jaedong!!!
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Damn didnt vote July to pass ;(
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On April 25 2008 19:40 o3.power91 wrote: ill hav a max of 1/4 for today. I hope i dont get 0/4 T_T same applies for almost everyone I suppose
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fuck that was good. you may have Tossgirl's bra tonight.
I am glad he makes it out even tho i didnt vote for him at advance.
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wtf i go away for a while and i find out that july rips his opponents to shreds? ARRR!
how could i have missed that
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i'm glad july made it, but my liquibet is completely fucked... Hope AT wins next two games, or atleast mind...
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On April 25 2008 19:43 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
I said quite clearly it's a tough map for Z. Just like nostalgia.
Lol sry i misread it.
And Frozean was a bit too brave. He thought he could exp with no defense. And after the rush his micro was really lame, and July's was really good. 2nd EZwin for july. GJ.
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wow, fuckin nice ling mirco! :O
hope anytime can beat mind now im 2/3 so far
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all 3 games were BO wins until now, however not superior BO from one of the players but inferior from the loser))
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MIND MUST ADVANCE !!! MUST OR A LOT OF KITTIES WILL DIE!
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Lawl, can't believe how many underdog wins there have been so far this OSL.
Hell for Liquibetters, but it's certainly keeping me on my toes.
For July to qualify so easily, after all he's recently been through, is madness.
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On April 25 2008 19:51 bahhh wrote: MIND MUST ADVANCE !!! MUST OR A LOT OF KITTIES WILL DIE!
come on, dont be like that, Anytime is my favourite player)
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On April 25 2008 19:50 M2 wrote:all 3 games were BO wins until now, however not superior BO from one of the players but inferior from the loser )) I think in game 1, Anytime lost because he totally mismicroed his reavers. He lost 3-4 of them really stupidly. Otherwise he could have owned Frozean. Because with 1-2 extra reavers, he could have dropped in Frozean's main and ransacked the place.
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I think it should be said, in fairness to frozean, that he got extremely unlucky on starting positions/scouting. That being said, a smarter player wouldve delayed the cc a little and blocked the ramp with scvs just in case after not scouting his opponent on the first 2 spots.
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On April 25 2008 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I think it should be said, in fairness to frozean that he got extremely unlucky on starting positions/scouting. That being said, a male player wouldve delayed the cc a little and blocked the ramp with scvs just in case.
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mind should take this one, map favors his playstyle
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On April 25 2008 19:56 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I think it should be said, in fairness to frozean that he got extremely unlucky on starting positions/scouting. That being said, a male player wouldve delayed the cc a little and blocked the ramp with scvs just in case.
either it makes no sense or ur calling frozean a girl which makes u an idiot CHOOSE UR OWN SCARY ENDING.
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Mind at 1 , Anytime at 11.
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Anytime top left Mind top right
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Mind makes his first depot right where his scvs normally spawn in order to make them spawn a little closer to the mineral line.
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On April 25 2008 19:52 Lhyviathan wrote: Lawl, can't believe how many underdog wins there have been so far this OSL.
Hell for Liquibetters, but it's certainly keeping me on my toes.
For July to qualify so easily, after all he's recently been through, is madness.
madness?
THIS IS JUUUUUUUUUUUUUULY! !
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Pylon + gateway for anytime. Mind makes his rax slightly below the depot, forming a "marine only" wall to help fight any possible early zealot harass.
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Could anyone translate what July said to the crowd after his win? Or is there no Korean speaker around?
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Mind makes a second depot and a marine before starting his fact. Interesting.
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Anytimes probe gets a quick look at the T base before running away. Mind is just now sending his scv out. BUt the wrong way. He sent out 2 actually It gets by the 1 probe block and gets a lok at the p base before being brutally killed by a goon. Mind with an early cc on the high ground.
WOW A KOREAN GIRL WHO DIDNT COVER HER MOUTH WHILE ON CAMERA!
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Bad positionning for AT's robo bay : too close to the cliff. Tanks will have an easy time sniping it.
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Oho. Anymind vs Time.
It's on like Donkey Kong!
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Anytime going robo, still at one gate. It should be noted that mind made his first cc at the min only high ground expo in order to better conceal his build. Which is probably why anytime went with the early robo. Mind lays some mines near his front. Obs ready now. 3 vults out taking a lok at the P front. Ebay started for mind Anytime has double expoed. He placed the one at his gas nat first. Goons + ob clearing mines.
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Robo support bay completely. An ob gets a good look at minds base.
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Mind is just now starting his 2nd expo...hes definitely way behind.
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Anytime takes his mineral only.
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On April 25 2008 20:03 Uraeus wrote: Bad positionning for AT's robo bay : too close to the cliff. Tanks will have an easy time sniping it. ...LMao...wtf? Thats not a factor at all. If tanks get there, the game is already over.
Shuttle out, reaver harass soon. However mind does have some turrets out. And his 2nd epo is now online. Mind's going to have to turtle. Ooo mind has speed shuttle. Dangerous.
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On April 25 2008 20:03 Uraeus wrote: Bad positionning for AT's robo bay : too close to the cliff. Tanks will have an easy time sniping it.
ROFFFLE dude wat drugs ur on..
if he can tank snipe that stupid robo, he had already won the game
the nat is like way closer and not on high grounds lol
like anytime is goign to lose the nat and care about that robo aftter
p.s. i think u meant robo facility
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hey, anyone mind updating results so far?
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anytime's speed shuttle is too manly for mind
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LOL anytime perfectly weavs between turrets and drops 2 reavers right at the main min line. HE gets about 5 scvs and a tank before picking up with no loses. Mind following the shuttle now. He takes out another loner tank and escapes with no loses. Anytime cruising now.
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P starts a nexus at the mid left expo. ANytime at like 5 gates at the moment and starting +1.
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Anytime with TWO speed shuttles now moving out to harass! INCOMMING!!! He drops 4 zeals and 2 reavers but only manages to take out 1 scv due to an unlucky scarab shot and 1 tank. He saves both reavers though.
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Archives and stargate warp in at the same time as anytime prepares arbs.
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On April 25 2008 20:07 kramus wrote: hey, anyone mind updating results so far?
july is 2-0
frozean is 1-1
losers match goign on atm
mind at 1 vs ANytime at 11
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Mind starting a starprt and anytime is taking an island expo.
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Academy finally done. Mind is moving out!! But anytime has a HUGE army. Anytimes first arb is building. Mind starting his 4th cc at the mid right but hes definitely behind. Mind's 2nd armory is done as is sci facility 2 SHUTTLE HARASS IN THE BACK! THE scvs run but mind still takessome loses. The drop isnt very successful though as both reavers are lost as well as a shuttle and 4 zeals.
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Anytime seems to be 30 - 40 supply ahead.
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Mind drops the island expo at 6 with4 vults after only 1 probe can be made. Anytime going for a HUGE PUSH BREAKING ATTACK!! Mind's formation is strong but there are just TOO many protoss units and the defensive push is crushed. Mind will now lose his mid right expo easily. Anytime in complete control of this game.
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Anytime taking the map. Mind trying to gain some ground by planting mines in likely paths. A few units are lost. Ok mind snipes the 1 cannon at one of anytimes bases with 6 vults and will most likely take out the nexus thanks to mine's delaying the toss army.
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Mind needs to do something big to comeback from this. He killed island expo and also killing 9 i think with few vults, but its still very hard for him to win
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mind has hardly any chance now
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Hehehe I freaking love those endless Zealots lines, marching across the map all nice and even, and joining the battle in seconds. When Anytime does it, its pure toss power :-)
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Some vults catch some exposed transfering probes near the bottom right. Anytime moves into the t nat with a HUGE army, easily 4 x mind's but mind is turtled so anytime cuts his loses and retreats. Mind seems to be delaying the enevitable.
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Very nice vult use catches a group of isolated goons.
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Mind trying to vult harss the bottom left but there are 4 cannons there, too many to handle. Goons come and clean up the mess.
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Big brother NaDa will take care of business this time around :-)
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Anytime taking the nat of bottom right as well. He recalls right on mind's front units and statiss the back..but doesnt really do anything with it except easily lose the recalled units.
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Its not over untill the fat lady sings. Mind gogo
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wow anytime, please don't mess this up -_-
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Anytime just massining up while taking the map. Emp on an arb. But I think it statised already anytime carelessly losing some arbs but here comes a HUGE ATTACK SWAMRING OVER THE T ARMY FROM 2 SIDES! The defensive push defending the mid right expo is broken again!
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However when the units un statis anytime retreats. The base is safe for now
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Why the hell did anytime recall there? All the goons got splatted in a second...
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LOOL WTF JUST HAPPEND?
Anytime just statis all minds tank, tried to kill them all but somehow mind fought back :S.
This game is not over yet folks !
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wow i thought anytime had this won...looks like mind is being very tenacious!
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beautiful vulture surround
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Ouch , goons catch a d ropship with 2 tanks...instantly killing it. More very nice vult use catches a group of goons. Seriously why is mind still alive? lol...I give him credit for lasting this long.
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anytime suiciding so many units...
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Mind PUSHING OUT NOW!. HERE COME ANYTIME WITH THE COUNTER ATTACK!!! The push....HOLDS. Anytime has another decently sized army ready though
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MIND PUSHING MID Emp on toss units, zealots running in, dieing. Mind is fucking winning
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Mind's vulture control is awesome. And he fights from seemingly lost position as hard as he can, NaDa can be proud of him .
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mind showed some decent vulture micro I must admit
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Mind is a fucking monster. Disgusting!! omg ahhh DIE DIE already
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Anytime is sweating Everything is on fire
But who is winning? Only god knows
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whew anytimes got this, worried me for a sec there -_-
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WTF is this who is winning i thought Anytime raped him but what the hell is this now :x
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Ooo an arb statises two vessels and attacks again but ONCE MORE minds push holds just barely. Reenforcements finally arrive for mind and damn did he need them. HOLY SHIT ANYTIME IS LOSING BASES. The nat at bottom left goes down. Mines are doing a lot of damage to anytimes army. WOW ANYTIME IS LOSING THE MAIN NEXUS NOW AS TANKS HAVE MADE IT UP THE RAMP. Anytime COUNTERS the bottom left expo of mind AND THE mid left expo at the time ! Looks like mind will lose the mid right but will hold the bttom. His main army returns and reavers are out again lol...flash back to mid game. The reavers are lost though....oh Mind DOES lose the bottom right base to only a few goons + arb. Wow HUGE mistake by mind. He left the nexus there alive with barely any life.
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what a game!
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Anytime just lost all his income, this is Mind's now. He will clean up the remaining scattered toss forces, and win.
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Wow must admit mind is a TvP monster he really dont want to die.
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He gave anytime a free base basically=/ That shouldnot happen. Mind reestablishing his position in order to take more bases. DROP SHIP IN ROUTE TO THE BOTTOM LEFT!...Wow big fuck up again...he moves the tanks into cannns and the nexus remains alive.
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Amazing game so far. Mind's vult use and mine use throughout the game has saved him time and time again. Amazingly cost effecient.
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Invisible probes killng vultures who would have killed the nexus otherwise. Fucking pimp :D.
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Hungary11232 Posts
This should have been winner's game. Both fighting amazingly.
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Another drop ship in route to bottom left! THE NEXUS GOES DOWN! ANytime has NO active bases... Amazing.
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Nexus down for anytime, How many expos is running atm? 1 for mind i think and one for anytime? :S
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OMG this game is sooooooooo intense!
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Been impressed with Mind, very solid!
Thought he was gonna get rolled over, his vult micro and mine planting have been amazing
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GG FROM ANYTIME MIND WIN FUCKING NICE CHAMPION POWER
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oh hell no. rofl damn u mind, gg
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Anytime moving in for a desperation break of minds defensive push. HERE HE COMES! EMP ON THE ARCHONS ANYTIMES ARMY MELTS MIND HAS FUCKING WON THE GAME! ANYTIME IS OUT!!! G FUCKING G.
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so I guess they're both just having a really lousy day
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How many HP that nexus has left? Watching yy and it's fuzzy.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH noooooo
awesome game but god dammit I hate Mind
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Mind is sweating
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That was an absolutely unbelieveable comeback by mind. Seriously at one point anytime had TWO TIMES mind's expos and an army twice as big. However anytime was careless over and over again in his attacks and manuevers getting chewed up by brilliant placed mines again and again. Mind should change his ID to Mine
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Wow Mind takes the game : /
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YEAHHH MIND !! TvP MONSTER !
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wow that game was so intense!! How da fuck did mind come back from that!!! holy shit!! vulture and vessel!!! fucking nice!!
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anytime looked really flustered the whole game oh well i'm not gonna watch mind rape frozean, nite
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this is why we love starcraft isnt it ? :D
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NICE!!AWESOME COME BACK
Mind is a true champion A PIECE OF WORK. always do well under pressure unlike ANYTIME lol sorry anytime, go back to proleague, OSL is for men.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
what is this insanity..
anytime you suck i hate the fact i actually had faith in you you worthless piece of shit
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Anytime - spring time ? not voting for anytime till autnum again
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OMG Mind OMG, that was the most well deserved win you've ever fucking had. If Forzean... somehow..... I'll kill him.
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Oh well, if after this fakin cute angel beats Mind i will be disappointed. Not to mention that i will be 0/4 too .
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Demonstration 101 ways protoss at limit to lose map control versus 15 vultures
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VERY impressed by minds play. He outmicroed anytime to stay in the midgame where he was totally loosing. AT seemed to be abit overconfident, and then got scared that he might loose, and I think that feeling got to him, and mind just stomped him.
Sick game, loved it!
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On April 25 2008 20:31 noobienoob wrote:anytime looked really flustered the whole game oh well i'm not gonna watch mind rape frozean, who knows, it seems today everything is possible mind out of the osl will be just sweet
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I CANT COUNT HOW MANY TIMES MIND IS LIKE ON THE BRINK OF LOSING AND KNOCK OUT AND ALWAYS MANAGE TO OVERCOME ALL ODDS
HES THE NEO REACH OF TERRAN
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On April 25 2008 20:33 Bazse wrote:Oh well, if after this fakin cute angel beats Mind i will be disappointed. Not to mention that i will be 0/4 too .
burn plz
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On April 25 2008 20:32 bahhh wrote: Mind is a true champion A PIECE OF WORK. always do well under pressure unlike ANYTIME lol sorry anytime, go back to proleague, OSL is for men.
Ye..that's true...Anytime is really skilled but his problem is pressure.. altrough i'm an AT fan i must admit it
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THIS was a really impressive comeback :O
how could anytime throw away such an big advantage? and why didnt he block the 7 oclock main with pylons??
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On April 25 2008 20:32 Highways wrote: THATS WHY U GO CARRIER I completely agree. I think arb is fine in mid game/early late game but at some point on wide open maps like that you pretty much HAVE to carrier at some point. In my iccup games I've lost some really tough games that I had a huge advantage in just because I couldnt find any opportunities for my arbs to be effective. Other wise terran can just defend way too easily. If P uses a combo of carrier and arbs ( and anytime couldve easily afforded this) it allowshim to open up a lot of holes for his arbs and even a few carriers can be really effective at harassing exposed expos defended by a frontal defensive push.
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i dont get it, why didnt anytime just keep those goons and that archone at 7 after this first attempt on taking down the nexus. He lost so much by loosing that expo.
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Seriously, after that, I will be SO pissed if frozean takes out mind. Mind's TvT is really good though and frozeans kinda sucks So I think Mind should take it. Mind...LOOK OUT FOR CHEESE.
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this happened in the OSC against Midas a while back, no?
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On April 25 2008 20:32 Highways wrote: THATS WHY U GO CARRIER oh a map like this? wtf didnt u see the BIG open space in the middle, did u? T_T
i think anytimes biggest mistake was, that he didnt handle the vulture haras well enough...
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WOW seriously on maps like these with so many open grounds its better to go arb. anytime just choked. hes not champion material. MIND ONT HE OTHER hand performs better or something when hes losing lol
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On April 25 2008 20:37 willKeks wrote:oh a map like this? wtf didnt u see the BIG open space in the middle, did u? T_T So? Even with big open spaces if you use carriers in combination with storm + your main army it doesnt matter if youre out in the open. It forces T to mass goliaths which are much MUCH less effecitve against ground than vults. Especially when carriers are there drawing fire.
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On April 25 2008 20:36 ThePhan2m wrote: i dont get it, why didnt anytime just keep those goons and that archone at 7 after this first attempt on taking down the nexus. He lost so much by loosing that expo.
cuz he need to regain mapcontrol? or shoudl he just camp there and let mind take over the whole map and lose in the end anyway?
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Lol "Open ground means carriers cant work!" ...bullshit
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WOW just WOW. I wonder if there's a protoss who can beat Mind, he destroyed Bisu now Anytime... I want to see a match vs Stork, Free, Kal...
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On April 25 2008 20:38 bahhh wrote: WOW seriously on maps like these with so many open grounds its better to go arb. anytime just choked. hes not champion material. MIND ONT HE OTHER hand performs better or something when hes losing lol Hes not champsionship material? Well he already WON A CHAMPSIONSHIP so it would seem youre really really wrong.
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On April 25 2008 20:38 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 20:37 willKeks wrote:On April 25 2008 20:32 Highways wrote: THATS WHY U GO CARRIER oh a map like this? wtf didnt u see the BIG open space in the middle, did u? T_T So? Even with big open spaces if you use carriers in combination with storm + your main army it doesnt matter if youre out in the open. It forces T to mass goliaths which are much MUCH less effecitve against ground than vults. Especially when carriers are there drawing fire.
carriers are expensive dude... he cannot mass carriers and get enough of a ground army to stop tanks/goliaths
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Final Game. Frozean at 1 , Mind at 11. I'm pretty sure?
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On April 25 2008 20:41 bahhh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 20:38 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On April 25 2008 20:37 willKeks wrote:On April 25 2008 20:32 Highways wrote: THATS WHY U GO CARRIER oh a map like this? wtf didnt u see the BIG open space in the middle, did u? T_T So? Even with big open spaces if you use carriers in combination with storm + your main army it doesnt matter if youre out in the open. It forces T to mass goliaths which are much MUCH less effecitve against ground than vults. Especially when carriers are there drawing fire. carriers are expensive dude... he cannot mass carriers and get enough of a ground army to stop tanks/goliaths i mean look how jangbi did break nadas mass of tanks. anytime didnt have HTs untill the very end when it was too late anyway...
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Why the HELL would you cancel a nearly completely cc just because 1 rine shows up?
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On April 25 2008 20:40 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 20:38 bahhh wrote: WOW seriously on maps like these with so many open grounds its better to go arb. anytime just choked. hes not champion material. MIND ONT HE OTHER hand performs better or something when hes losing lol Hes not champsionship material? Well he already WON A CHAMPSIONSHIP so it would seem youre really really wrong.
P against boxers who wouldn't? lol
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WTF @ CC CANCEL WHO IS THAT ANYWAY
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I think mind is teal but I'm not sure either
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박성균 - Mind (teal) unfortunately FrOzean - 김동건
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Whoever's red is COMPLETELY raped though. I really think that cc cancel was an accident.
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hmm.. who is mind. hope he is teal
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I checked TLPD for korean names. Mind is teal. Frozean is red
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On April 25 2008 20:46 Ota Solgryn wrote: hmm think mind is behind Mind is teal, hes not behind at all Hes easily winning.
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On April 25 2008 20:46 Ota Solgryn wrote: hmm think mind is behind
We don't know who he is, but he's behind for sure :D:D:D.
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MIND IS TEAL check TLPD and compare the korean chars.. fuckign someone scared me a bit there with an earlier post
MIND WINNING ROFFLE PERFECT!!!!!!!!
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On April 25 2008 20:32 bahhh wrote:NICE!!AWESOME COME BACK Mind is a true champion A PIECE OF WORK. always do well under pressure unlike ANYTIME lol sorry anytime, go back to proleague, OSL is for men.
I suggest you stop your Anytime hate and go back watch http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/17_So1_OSL
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Haha sick..mind wins too easy
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gg Mind wins
Well deserved
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wtf was that cancel of CC? Oo glad mind is trough, he deserves it!
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Seriously, that cc cancel was the stupidest thing I've ever seen. OMG ONE MARINE I BETTER CANCEL MY NEARLY COMPLETED CC FOR NO REASON! EEK.
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On April 25 2008 20:49 JoxxOr wrote:gg Mind wins Well deserved
Agreed
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haha frozean decides to not waste mind's time
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lol, I like how frozean thinks he's being hit by an all-in and sends all of his SCVs to defend
thank goodness frozean's out of this OSL
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Is mind physically incapable of smiling or showing emotional expression??
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Hungary11232 Posts
At least Mind made it through, I was afraid of a "MSL winner curse" with both Jaedong and Mind going down in the groups.
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Maybe the marine was hero
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Crap 2/4 :/ Cute my hopes were so high for you ;_;
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
wow, 1/4 im doing pretty shitty TT
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On April 25 2008 20:51 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Is mind physically incapable of smiling or showing emotional expression?? he already won a MSL. I think advancing out of 1round is not that big of a deal for him.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
anytime failed me
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nahhh damn anytime...
now who cares mind vs frozean t_T
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u know you suck at liquibet when the 2 ppl u picked are fighting eachother in the last round
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On April 25 2008 21:13 BlindAlbino wrote: u know you suck at liquibet when the 2 ppl u picked are fighting eachother in the last round more like 2 people you picked are fighinting in the losers round. =/
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On April 25 2008 22:02 GTR-2-Go wrote: did anyone get 4/4?
i really kinda doubt so...
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Hungary11232 Posts
With the odds of the votes cast, I am coming up with a chance of 0.3 % that someone got 4/4 out of this, starting with a mere ~8% chance of having voted for Frozean to begin with. This is however not factoring in that someone who is e.g. betting on July to win the first will also give him a higher chance of advancing.
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Reallly tough group and hard calls. Too bad Anytime didn't make it, he's finally started to grow on me.
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Goddamni, damn you Frozean. And you too Anytime, no templar
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Is the God of War back?:D
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Wow good work by July, 2-0;ed his group. Considering the form he is in right now i was actually worried he would have gotten 0-2'ed! I hope he can keep this up and not fall in the next rounds!
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Damn. Terrans should start EMP'ing more vs Protoss for the insta-comeback win.
That and micro some vultures really well.
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july always gets out of these groups only to fail in a bo5
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On April 25 2008 23:29 Fish_Baguettes wrote: Wow good work by July, 2-0;ed his group. Considering the form he is in right now i was actually worried he would have gotten 0-2'ed! I hope he can keep this up and not fall in the next rounds! mhm sorry if you're July fan but he doesnt show something magnificent today, he was no bad by all means but nothing more.
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On April 26 2008 00:07 amorpheus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2008 23:29 Fish_Baguettes wrote: Wow good work by July, 2-0;ed his group. Considering the form he is in right now i was actually worried he would have gotten 0-2'ed! I hope he can keep this up and not fall in the next rounds! mhm sorry if you're July fan but he doesnt show something magnificent today, he was no bad by all means but nothing more.
his lings were gods tho this game man!
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Never doubt Mind early on... he'll lose to someone better in the semi-finals at worst most likely (aka, Flash, Jaedong... that's about it).
Also: glad to see July get through and showed that it was more his to lose than Mind's to win. D:
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\ö/ I LOVE THIS OSL \ö/ + Show Spoiler +Nada + Mind + July + GGplay + BEST (for players advanced) \ö/ I LOVE THIS OSL \ö/
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>_> July randomly getting good in group stages strikes again...
1/4 Go Mind!
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I am watching Anytime vs Mind. Anytime really suck at that late game. I am sure Mind's turret wasnt full up he could just recall in instead charging in the front. had 3 base econ advantage ahead also.
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On April 26 2008 02:15 anch wrote: I am watching Anytime vs Mind. Anytime really suck at that late game. I am sure Mind's turret wasnt full up he could just recall in instead charging in the front. had 3 base econ advantage ahead also. The VOD is available already?? If so, where ?
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On April 26 2008 02:27 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2008 02:15 anch wrote: I am watching Anytime vs Mind. Anytime really suck at that late game. I am sure Mind's turret wasnt full up he could just recall in instead charging in the front. had 3 base econ advantage ahead also. The VOD is available already?? If so, where ? http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=70259
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fact: SUMOZERG NEVER FAILS TO DELIVER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Too bad for Anytime, but July fighting is nice I love his style
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3/4
had july and mind winning in the end and Frozean winning his first game correct
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This OSL is definitely starting to brighten up.
From last OSL qualified players: Flash, Stork, Bisu, Luxury Currently qualified: GGplay, Backho, Best, NaDa, Rumble, Much, July, Mind
Of those players, the only one that 100% pisses me off being here is Backho. Casy or Jaedong would have been infinitely better. Even in the case of Savior not qualifying, we still got Best and NaDa out of that group. Hopefully Savior will find himself again during the MSL.
Mind looks awesome right now. He definitely deserved this spot more than anyone else in his group. What an awesome TvP performance.
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Unfortunatly, I think July will fail to make it into the ro8, like in all of the recent leagues he has been in.
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Mind always losses on 2nd game but he will always rape Game 1,3,4,& 5 :D amazed how July won 2-0 and i think Mind has to work on his TvZ? not sure
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On April 26 2008 05:03 Wasabi wrote: Woo, weekend finally. Perfect time for me to stop burning my eyebrows doing college work. -_-
Watched Mind vs. July. It was more about Mind losing than July winning. He should've just used Casy's build, which is far better (1 factory only then the rest barracks, vs. his 2 fac and 1 barrack). Either way July made the right decision to make mutas even with only 1 gas to counter the ineffective gols/vults. If Mind wanted to use a 2 fac build he should've expanded earlier and took a second expo faster.
And just how should he have went about expanding faster?. He took his nat the second he could defend it and he moved out to his third the second he thought he had enough gollis survive a counter.
He betted everything on july going lurkling, in which case his build would have been just fine. (Note that popular oppinion is that zerg _can't_ go muta of 1 gas) The game was julys to loose after the builds were played; 2 fact vulture vs 12 hatch 11 gas 10 pool => muta is never going to be pretty.
Anyway nice games
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i'm disapointed it wasnt july and anytime that went on to the next, would have been so oldschool!
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surprised how much difficulty anytime is having in the individual leagues
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 26 2008 07:46 Wasabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2008 05:39 KlaCkoN wrote:On April 26 2008 05:03 Wasabi wrote: Woo, weekend finally. Perfect time for me to stop burning my eyebrows doing college work. -_-
Watched Mind vs. July. It was more about Mind losing than July winning. He should've just used Casy's build, which is far better (1 factory only then the rest barracks, vs. his 2 fac and 1 barrack). Either way July made the right decision to make mutas even with only 1 gas to counter the ineffective gols/vults. If Mind wanted to use a 2 fac build he should've expanded earlier and took a second expo faster. And just how should he have went about expanding faster?. He took his nat the second he could defend it and he moved out to his third the second he thought he had enough gollis survive a counter. He betted everything on july going lurkling, in which case his build would have been just fine. (Note that popular oppinion is that zerg _can't_ go muta of 1 gas) The game was julys to loose after the builds were played; 2 fact vulture vs 12 hatch 11 gas 10 pool => muta is never going to be pretty. ...Obviously not. If he predicted July would go lurkling, why didn't he make a single tank? First, the only reason a Terran would go 2 fac is to keep pumping gols. Tanks would go in second. lurkling isn't the first respnose to mass gols, since (mass) mutas are more effective. Since July never went for lurkling (and I don't think he would have since that's just not July's style). July learned from Jaedong's game and it's imperative for the Zerg to get the second gas very early whether or not he plans to go muta, since lurkling too will need considerable amounts of gas. As for Mind expoing the second time, that time was either Mind goes back to standard mass rax where can live with just one expo, or expand even faster. It's true that he waited until he can get enough gollies, but there weren't much mutas at that point where he had enough vults to defend against his lings. In short I just don't think metal TvZ will work as well as Casy's timed siege tank build on this map. edit- at least we agree that 2 fac isn't a good idea, unless the T is 100% sure the Z builds a hydra den instead of a spire (and again July wouldn't have done that, I forgot the last time he went for lurkers instead of mutas in TvZ).
the map has no gas at the nat, july's lurker/ling on maps like that is scary as hell
mind's decision was sensible but ended up being a bad move
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OMFG YES MY FAVORITE TWO PLAYERS ARE IN KICKING ASS... JULY JULY JULY YES..
Sucks that anytime didn't make it though.
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FUCK YEAH JULY!
my favorite zerg made it out of his group 2-0!
GOD OF WAR FIGHTING!
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On April 26 2008 07:46 Wasabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2008 05:39 KlaCkoN wrote:On April 26 2008 05:03 Wasabi wrote: Woo, weekend finally. Perfect time for me to stop burning my eyebrows doing college work. -_-
Watched Mind vs. July. It was more about Mind losing than July winning. He should've just used Casy's build, which is far better (1 factory only then the rest barracks, vs. his 2 fac and 1 barrack). Either way July made the right decision to make mutas even with only 1 gas to counter the ineffective gols/vults. If Mind wanted to use a 2 fac build he should've expanded earlier and took a second expo faster. And just how should he have went about expanding faster?. He took his nat the second he could defend it and he moved out to his third the second he thought he had enough gollis survive a counter. He betted everything on july going lurkling, in which case his build would have been just fine. (Note that popular oppinion is that zerg _can't_ go muta of 1 gas) The game was julys to loose after the builds were played; 2 fact vulture vs 12 hatch 11 gas 10 pool => muta is never going to be pretty. ...Obviously not. If he predicted July would go lurkling, why didn't he make a single tank? First, the only reason a Terran would go 2 fac is to keep pumping gols. Tanks would go in second. lurkling isn't the first respnose to mass gols, since (mass) mutas are more effective. Since July never went for lurkling (and I don't think he would have since that's just not July's style). July learned from Jaedong's game and it's imperative for the Zerg to get the second gas very early whether or not he plans to go muta, since lurkling too will need considerable amounts of gas. As for Mind expoing the second time, that time was either Mind goes back to standard mass rax where can live with just one expo, or expand even faster. It's true that he waited until he can get enough gollies, but there weren't much mutas at that point where he had enough vults to defend against his lings. In short I just don't think metal TvZ will work as well as Casy's timed siege tank build on this map. edit- at least we agree that 2 fac isn't a good idea, unless the T is 100% sure the Z builds a hydra den instead of a spire (and again July wouldn't have done that, I forgot the last time he went for lurkers instead of mutas in TvZ). wow.... are you serious?
Lurker/ling on 1 gas maps was July's SPECIALTY. He has always dominated on 1 gas maps like Nostalgia, Mercury etc using the lurker/ling strategy.
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Wasabi, sorry to say but your posts clearly indicate that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Especially this:
"As for Mind expoing the second time, that time was either Mind goes back to standard mass rax where can live with just one expo, or expand even faster. It's true that he waited until he can get enough gollies, but there weren't much mutas at that point where he had enough vults to defend against his lings." -Wasabi
Goes back to standard mass rax where he can live with just one expo? LMAO you have got to be kidding me. That isn't even close to a possibility even at even base with zerg, much less when zerg has 4 bases and 3 gases. And "expand even faster" you cant expand quickly to an unprotected base against a zerg who has more mutas than you have goliaths. Goliaths become more and more powerful the more massed they become because of their vastly superior range. So obviously expanding earlier is a horrible idea as the gols will be even less cost effective. Basically after july secured the 3rd gas the game was completely unwinable for mind no matter what he did.
Mind's build was made SPECIFICALLY TO COUNTER LURK/LING because he felt strongly that july would use this strategy. That's because against standard mnm play, muta is not really viable on that map. However July played very intelligently and probably adjusted his build after seeing the wall in/low marine count.
Also wasabi, if you were more framiliar with july's style he used to ALWAYS open ling harass --> lurker harass ---> muta harass. His strategy was to diminish the marine count with strongly microed lings and lurks so the mutas would have an easy time sealing the game. However T's got too strong with micro and defensive positioning for the lings and lurks to do any damage, and as a result , july's build faded away. In fact his last televised TvZ was against goodfriend and he opened with a low econ harass based ling --> lurk ---> hive rush --> defilier. He came VERY close to winning despite at one point being a base down (2 against 3) in the EARLY mid game. With great ling/lurk and defilier micro he push goodfriend all the way back to his MAIN choke. However once his defiler push ran out of steam against vessels he slowly crumbled.
But yes , obviously 2 fact vulture is not an ideal opening against mutas but it still IS viable if you play it properly and manage to delay the 2nd gas for a long time. Mind did not do so and as a result lost really bad because he could not keep up with July's muta count off one gas compared to july's 2 (and later 3 ).
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On April 26 2008 13:03 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2008 07:46 Wasabi wrote:On April 26 2008 05:39 KlaCkoN wrote:On April 26 2008 05:03 Wasabi wrote: Woo, weekend finally. Perfect time for me to stop burning my eyebrows doing college work. -_-
Watched Mind vs. July. It was more about Mind losing than July winning. He should've just used Casy's build, which is far better (1 factory only then the rest barracks, vs. his 2 fac and 1 barrack). Either way July made the right decision to make mutas even with only 1 gas to counter the ineffective gols/vults. If Mind wanted to use a 2 fac build he should've expanded earlier and took a second expo faster. And just how should he have went about expanding faster?. He took his nat the second he could defend it and he moved out to his third the second he thought he had enough gollis survive a counter. He betted everything on july going lurkling, in which case his build would have been just fine. (Note that popular oppinion is that zerg _can't_ go muta of 1 gas) The game was julys to loose after the builds were played; 2 fact vulture vs 12 hatch 11 gas 10 pool => muta is never going to be pretty. ...Obviously not. If he predicted July would go lurkling, why didn't he make a single tank? First, the only reason a Terran would go 2 fac is to keep pumping gols. Tanks would go in second. lurkling isn't the first respnose to mass gols, since (mass) mutas are more effective. Since July never went for lurkling (and I don't think he would have since that's just not July's style). July learned from Jaedong's game and it's imperative for the Zerg to get the second gas very early whether or not he plans to go muta, since lurkling too will need considerable amounts of gas. As for Mind expoing the second time, that time was either Mind goes back to standard mass rax where can live with just one expo, or expand even faster. It's true that he waited until he can get enough gollies, but there weren't much mutas at that point where he had enough vults to defend against his lings. In short I just don't think metal TvZ will work as well as Casy's timed siege tank build on this map. edit- at least we agree that 2 fac isn't a good idea, unless the T is 100% sure the Z builds a hydra den instead of a spire (and again July wouldn't have done that, I forgot the last time he went for lurkers instead of mutas in TvZ). wow.... are you serious? Lurker/ling on 1 gas maps was July's SPECIALTY. He has always dominated on 1 gas maps like Nostalgia, Mercury etc using the lurker/ling strategy.
wait i thought July did muta/ling on those maps cuz i watched those on the highlight
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BS is what I wanna say (About Anytime) =/
But nice to see July get through! ^^
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and what does it mean BS ? let's see how well will he do in MSL
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So far, the quality of the OSL matches has been awesome. Even though I'm sad that a few big names have already been knocked out (Jaedong, Casy, Savior, Anytime), almost every group has been very entertaining to watch. I think it's mostly due to the excellent new map pool this season.
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Isn't EMP Shockwave some sort of standard vs Protoss? Just Irradiate against Zerg.
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I think that mind went mass goli cuz he thought that July was going to go for lurker/ling which he's kinda famous for (aside for the muta). A metal line up, mass goli's and few tanks) would have been better only if the nat expo had gas, which in this case, there was none. Mind really didn't have much choices (no pun intended) cuz July went for mass mutas which basically gave the advantage to JulyZerg for these reasons:
1. If mind goes back to mass bionic, July can go mass lings + mutas. 2. If mind goes mass golis, same thing, mass lings + mutas. 3. Mass tanks would be a terrible choice too.
July just managed to outclass, outplay, and outthink mind that game.
And yeah, 2 fac build on a map with no gas on nat is a terrible mistake. 2 gas is badly needed in order to keep pumping out golis, bionic was a better way to fight. But July's muta mirco will just rape the rines.
- edit: changed much to mind now, lol.
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On April 27 2008 00:38 SilverSkyLark wrote: Isn't EMP Shockwave some sort of standard vs Protoss? Just Irradiate against Zerg.
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I think that much went mass goli cuz he thought that July was going to go for lurker/ling which he's kinda famous for (aside for the muta). A metal line up, mass goli's and few tanks) would have been better only if the nat expo had gas, which in this case, there was none. Much really didn't have much choices (no pun intended) cuz July went for mass mutas which basically gave the advantage to JulyZerg for these reasons:
1. If Much goes back to mass bionic, July can go mass lings + mutas. 2. If Much goes mass golis, same thing, mass lings + mutas. 3. Mass tanks would be a terrible choice too.
July just managed to outclass, outplay, and outthink Much that game.
And yeah, 2 fac build on a map with no gas on nat is a terrible mistake. 2 gas is badly needed in order to keep pumping out golis, bionic was a better way to fight. But July's muta mirco will just rape the rines. Wow...just wow..I'm not even going to touch this one.
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July always does so well in the group stage, even if he gets a really tough group. Hopefully he'll be able to keep it up during the rest of the tournament. His zergling control in the winners game was sick. He also timed when the marines were going to come out of the rax perfectly, so he could rape them before they could do anything.
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GOGO ANYTIME!!!!!
o... wat ////
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On April 27 2008 00:38 SilverSkyLark wrote: Isn't EMP Shockwave some sort of standard vs Protoss? Just Irradiate against Zerg.
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I think that much went mass goli cuz he thought that July was going to go for lurker/ling which he's kinda famous for (aside for the muta). A metal line up, mass goli's and few tanks) would have been better only if the nat expo had gas, which in this case, there was none. Much really didn't have much choices (no pun intended) cuz July went for mass mutas which basically gave the advantage to JulyZerg for these reasons:
1. If Much goes back to mass bionic, July can go mass lings + mutas. 2. If Much goes mass golis, same thing, mass lings + mutas. 3. Mass tanks would be a terrible choice too.
July just managed to outclass, outplay, and outthink Much that game.
And yeah, 2 fac build on a map with no gas on nat is a terrible mistake. 2 gas is badly needed in order to keep pumping out golis, bionic was a better way to fight. But July's muta mirco will just rape the rines. i wasn't aware that much was a terran player
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you didnt know? much almost owned july that game with his super control.
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On April 27 2008 09:39 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 00:38 SilverSkyLark wrote: Isn't EMP Shockwave some sort of standard vs Protoss? Just Irradiate against Zerg.
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I think that much went mass goli cuz he thought that July was going to go for lurker/ling which he's kinda famous for (aside for the muta). A metal line up, mass goli's and few tanks) would have been better only if the nat expo had gas, which in this case, there was none. Much really didn't have much choices (no pun intended) cuz July went for mass mutas which basically gave the advantage to JulyZerg for these reasons:
1. If Much goes back to mass bionic, July can go mass lings + mutas. 2. If Much goes mass golis, same thing, mass lings + mutas. 3. Mass tanks would be a terrible choice too.
July just managed to outclass, outplay, and outthink Much that game.
And yeah, 2 fac build on a map with no gas on nat is a terrible mistake. 2 gas is badly needed in order to keep pumping out golis, bionic was a better way to fight. But July's muta mirco will just rape the rines. i wasn't aware that much was a terran player
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crap, I meant Mind...
...I also had the thread on Much's probe control open in another tab, I got confused with the two players...hahahahaha.....
gonna edit that...
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man i thought your prediction was results and was going WTF mind is out
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watched all of these matchs. ggs
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