Kinda feel sorry for Stork though, he didn't deserve to lose like that. :\
[OSL] Finals: Stork vs Flash 3-15-08 - Page 36
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
Kinda feel sorry for Stork though, he didn't deserve to lose like that. :\ | ||
Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On March 16 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote: It's tough to tell if Stork sucked and then he lost, or if he lost and now he sucks. Like an old woman who falls and breaks her hip but really she broke her hip and then fell. I say there are 5 protoss who could have beaten Flash in that bo5 but I couldn't name then. Any Protoss in the top 50 of KeSPA would be eligible. Flash got all build order wins and won all the mind games. Game 1: Stork can easily adjust his build order to defend that tank push with ease, but it looked like he was scared of a vulture raid or he was just playing for late game, in any case, he was not preparing for that tank push. If he builds only 5 goons, then zealots, and has his goons placed up past his mineral-only, then Flash loses 3 tanks early on, Stork takes no significant losses, and Flash is in a very very difficult position. Neither player had scouting to confirm that their move was the right one, so it was a little rock-paper-scissors effect going on there. Game 2: Obviously a rock-paper-scissors. You can try very hard to make an argument that Flash's Katrina play has been so good that Stork felt he'd only have a chance by hard countering his build and therefore took a risk. But I think that's really silly. Again, both players take possibly game winning and possibly game losing risks without any scouting to confirm their moves. Flash makes the right move. Game 3: More rock-paper-scissors type of strategy going on. Flash forces it by doing his insane timing push. Insane meaning he cuts scv's HARD, doesn't get turrets, doesn't get comsats, and sends everything. Again, he has no scouting to confirm that he's making the right move. Stork was doing a very standard build when he certainly could have been preparing DT's or a heroic reaver. DT's would obviously repel the push and Flash would be left with a very weak economy. Reavers would counter Flash's low tank count and are especially effective considering the wide ramp at the naturals on Troy. Killing scv's would be incredibly effective against Flash's low SCV count. Bisu's series against Flash showed how to control the course of the games, rather than leaving things to guesses and luck, but Bisu played unusually poorly in the midgame and lategame. I'm sure many protosses thought that they could have won a bo5 against Flash after that series. Stork had the wisdom of those games and yet still brought a wimpy style of early-game play which never allowed his late-game management to shine where Bisu made so many mistakes. I respect your opinion, but he beat Stork twice and Bisu and Anytime once in bo5's. I can't think of any better PvTers. Who else really is there? Is Flash just playing that good? | ||
HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
Terran race overwhelming :D Flash wins rl :D | ||
Krzycho
Poland442 Posts
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Xela
Canada203 Posts
On March 16 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote: It's tough to tell if Stork sucked and then he lost, or if he lost and now he sucks. Like an old woman who falls and breaks her hip but really she broke her hip and then fell. I say there are 5 protoss who could have beaten Flash in that bo5 but I couldn't name then. Any Protoss in the top 50 of KeSPA would be eligible. Flash got all build order wins and won all the mind games. Game 1: Stork can easily adjust his build order to defend that tank push with ease, but it looked like he was scared of a vulture raid or he was just playing for late game, in any case, he was not preparing for that tank push. If he builds only 5 goons, then zealots, and has his goons placed up past his mineral-only, then Flash loses 3 tanks early on, Stork takes no significant losses, and Flash is in a very very difficult position. Neither player had scouting to confirm that their move was the right one, so it was a little rock-paper-scissors effect going on there. Game 2: Obviously a rock-paper-scissors. You can try very hard to make an argument that Flash's Katrina play has been so good that Stork felt he'd only have a chance by hard countering his build and therefore took a risk. But I think that's really silly. Again, both players take possibly game winning and possibly game losing risks without any scouting to confirm their moves. Flash makes the right move. Game 3: More rock-paper-scissors type of strategy going on. Flash forces it by doing his insane timing push. Insane meaning he cuts scv's HARD, doesn't get turrets, doesn't get comsats, and sends everything. Again, he has no scouting to confirm that he's making the right move. Stork was doing a very standard build when he certainly could have been preparing DT's or a heroic reaver. DT's would obviously repel the push and Flash would be left with a very weak economy. Reavers would counter Flash's low tank count and are especially effective considering the wide ramp at the naturals on Troy. Killing scv's would be incredibly effective against Flash's low SCV count. Bisu's series against Flash showed how to control the course of the games, rather than leaving things to guesses and luck, but Bisu played unusually poorly in the midgame and lategame. I'm sure many protosses thought that they could have won a bo5 against Flash after that series. Stork had the wisdom of those games and yet still brought a wimpy style of early-game play which never allowed his late-game management to shine where Bisu made so many mistakes. maybe other protoss could have won against flash, but name a protoss who beat jaedong,Bisu and Stork 2 times (GSI and OSL) in 1 month like flash did? He's dominant right now, you can't deny it | ||
blazin777
United States30 Posts
ouch stork | ||
Squallcloud
France466 Posts
On March 16 2008 05:12 blazin777 wrote: flash said in his interview that bisu is his protoss rival while jaedong is his zerg rival, lol ouch stork I love Stork and Samsung Khan but i must admit Bisu put up a much better fight against Flash than Stork. So i can understand if he really said that. ![]() | ||
Kula
United States140 Posts
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JIJI
Canada291 Posts
We should have a movie for Stork. Song Byung Goo Silvermember. | ||
ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 15 2008 19:27 Southlight wrote: It doesn't matter to me, as I've been watching, but Anch's sig is a spoiler... I don't know if someone addressed this, but his sig has been that for a long time :p | ||
triangle
United States3803 Posts
![]() Just horrible series throughout. | ||
trollbone
France1905 Posts
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
I bet Flash knew with 99% certainly Stork was going to try 14nex. | ||
iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
I hope stork will soon crumble and fade away completly. | ||
TaimalaiX
Canada88 Posts
He got what he deserves, go Flash. Hopefully this sheds him of his "cheddar terran" status | ||
0z
Luxembourg877 Posts
On March 16 2008 06:54 TaimalaiX wrote: I personally blame bad Mojo for Stork's throat-slit after his victory over Luxury. yeah, that was pathetic | ||
Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On March 15 2008 23:24 NonY[rC] wrote: too bad none of these five were good enough to reach the finalswowow stork you so bad. i bet there are AT LEAST 5 protoss that could have won that bo5 | ||
kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On March 16 2008 07:16 Retsukage wrote: this is the era of flash Nah, It's not that easy. People have forgotten about Jeadong, but I would still root for Jeadong in a Bo5. And then there's Bisu, which gave a good fight against flash but has been a bit too inconsistent. If he gets back to his best shape, we will have a nice race trio on the very top ![]() | ||
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