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[OSL] Finals: Stork vs Flash 3-15-08 - Page 36

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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
March 15 2008 19:13 GMT
#701
Worst OSL finals ever!
Kinda feel sorry for Stork though, he didn't deserve to lose like that. :\
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
March 15 2008 19:23 GMT
#702
On March 16 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
It's tough to tell if Stork sucked and then he lost, or if he lost and now he sucks. Like an old woman who falls and breaks her hip but really she broke her hip and then fell.

I say there are 5 protoss who could have beaten Flash in that bo5 but I couldn't name then. Any Protoss in the top 50 of KeSPA would be eligible. Flash got all build order wins and won all the mind games.

Game 1: Stork can easily adjust his build order to defend that tank push with ease, but it looked like he was scared of a vulture raid or he was just playing for late game, in any case, he was not preparing for that tank push. If he builds only 5 goons, then zealots, and has his goons placed up past his mineral-only, then Flash loses 3 tanks early on, Stork takes no significant losses, and Flash is in a very very difficult position. Neither player had scouting to confirm that their move was the right one, so it was a little rock-paper-scissors effect going on there.

Game 2: Obviously a rock-paper-scissors. You can try very hard to make an argument that Flash's Katrina play has been so good that Stork felt he'd only have a chance by hard countering his build and therefore took a risk. But I think that's really silly. Again, both players take possibly game winning and possibly game losing risks without any scouting to confirm their moves. Flash makes the right move.

Game 3: More rock-paper-scissors type of strategy going on. Flash forces it by doing his insane timing push. Insane meaning he cuts scv's HARD, doesn't get turrets, doesn't get comsats, and sends everything. Again, he has no scouting to confirm that he's making the right move. Stork was doing a very standard build when he certainly could have been preparing DT's or a heroic reaver. DT's would obviously repel the push and Flash would be left with a very weak economy. Reavers would counter Flash's low tank count and are especially effective considering the wide ramp at the naturals on Troy. Killing scv's would be incredibly effective against Flash's low SCV count.

Bisu's series against Flash showed how to control the course of the games, rather than leaving things to guesses and luck, but Bisu played unusually poorly in the midgame and lategame. I'm sure many protosses thought that they could have won a bo5 against Flash after that series. Stork had the wisdom of those games and yet still brought a wimpy style of early-game play which never allowed his late-game management to shine where Bisu made so many mistakes.


I respect your opinion, but he beat Stork twice and Bisu and Anytime once in bo5's. I can't think of any better PvTers. Who else really is there? Is Flash just playing that good?
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
March 15 2008 19:38 GMT
#703
YEAAAAAAH :D Flash FIGHTING!!!!

Terran race overwhelming :D

Flash wins rl :D
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Krzycho
Profile Joined July 2007
Poland442 Posts
March 15 2008 19:43 GMT
#704
what's the name of a song in the beginning?
Xela
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada203 Posts
March 15 2008 19:47 GMT
#705
On March 16 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
It's tough to tell if Stork sucked and then he lost, or if he lost and now he sucks. Like an old woman who falls and breaks her hip but really she broke her hip and then fell.

I say there are 5 protoss who could have beaten Flash in that bo5 but I couldn't name then. Any Protoss in the top 50 of KeSPA would be eligible. Flash got all build order wins and won all the mind games.

Game 1: Stork can easily adjust his build order to defend that tank push with ease, but it looked like he was scared of a vulture raid or he was just playing for late game, in any case, he was not preparing for that tank push. If he builds only 5 goons, then zealots, and has his goons placed up past his mineral-only, then Flash loses 3 tanks early on, Stork takes no significant losses, and Flash is in a very very difficult position. Neither player had scouting to confirm that their move was the right one, so it was a little rock-paper-scissors effect going on there.

Game 2: Obviously a rock-paper-scissors. You can try very hard to make an argument that Flash's Katrina play has been so good that Stork felt he'd only have a chance by hard countering his build and therefore took a risk. But I think that's really silly. Again, both players take possibly game winning and possibly game losing risks without any scouting to confirm their moves. Flash makes the right move.

Game 3: More rock-paper-scissors type of strategy going on. Flash forces it by doing his insane timing push. Insane meaning he cuts scv's HARD, doesn't get turrets, doesn't get comsats, and sends everything. Again, he has no scouting to confirm that he's making the right move. Stork was doing a very standard build when he certainly could have been preparing DT's or a heroic reaver. DT's would obviously repel the push and Flash would be left with a very weak economy. Reavers would counter Flash's low tank count and are especially effective considering the wide ramp at the naturals on Troy. Killing scv's would be incredibly effective against Flash's low SCV count.

Bisu's series against Flash showed how to control the course of the games, rather than leaving things to guesses and luck, but Bisu played unusually poorly in the midgame and lategame. I'm sure many protosses thought that they could have won a bo5 against Flash after that series. Stork had the wisdom of those games and yet still brought a wimpy style of early-game play which never allowed his late-game management to shine where Bisu made so many mistakes.

maybe other protoss could have won against flash, but name a protoss who beat jaedong,Bisu and Stork 2 times (GSI and OSL) in 1 month like flash did? He's dominant right now, you can't deny it
blazin777
Profile Joined August 2007
United States30 Posts
March 15 2008 20:12 GMT
#706
flash said in his interview that bisu is his protoss rival while jaedong is his zerg rival, lol
ouch stork
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
March 15 2008 20:25 GMT
#707
On March 16 2008 05:12 blazin777 wrote:
flash said in his interview that bisu is his protoss rival while jaedong is his zerg rival, lol
ouch stork


I love Stork and Samsung Khan but i must admit Bisu put up a much better fight against Flash than Stork. So i can understand if he really said that.
Firebathero fanboy - It's not that i'm dumb i'm just controlled by a retarded infestor - Day[9]
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
March 15 2008 20:26 GMT
#708
Where's that interview? ^
JIJI
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada291 Posts
March 15 2008 20:35 GMT
#709
I have nothing against Stork, and feel bad for him getting silver again, then I remembered he was Samsung. He's the only member of Samsung I really have nothing against.

We should have a movie for Stork. Song Byung Goo Silvermember.
Believing forever in sAviOr. Jaedong complete domination. IefNaij scarab explosion. MUCH <3
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 15 2008 20:39 GMT
#710
On March 15 2008 19:27 Southlight wrote:
It doesn't matter to me, as I've been watching, but Anch's sig is a spoiler...


I don't know if someone addressed this, but his sig has been that for a long time :p
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
March 15 2008 20:44 GMT
#711
This has been the worst OSL ever.

Just horrible series throughout.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
March 15 2008 20:57 GMT
#712
anyone thinks that there is more good games on MSL survivor or ODT than OSL or MSL? (doesnt mean thats a bad thing )
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
March 15 2008 21:19 GMT
#713
"Game 2: Obviously a rock-paper-scissors. You can try very hard to make an argument that Flash's Katrina play has been so good that Stork felt he'd only have a chance by hard countering his build and therefore took a risk. But I think that's really silly. Again, both players take possibly game winning and possibly game losing risks without any scouting to confirm their moves. Flash makes the right move."

I bet Flash knew with 99% certainly Stork was going to try 14nex.
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
March 15 2008 21:28 GMT
#714
I wish I could say Reach and rA but Flash probably raped up day and night already.
Xellos <3
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
March 15 2008 21:38 GMT
#715
I'm not suprised in any way. The kid got what he deserved. He's just THE terran right now.
I hope stork will soon crumble and fade away completly.
TaimalaiX
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada88 Posts
March 15 2008 21:54 GMT
#716
I personally blame bad Mojo for Stork's throat-slit after his victory over Luxury.

He got what he deserves, go Flash. Hopefully this sheds him of his "cheddar terran" status
Not a big fan of Nada. There, I said it.
0z
Profile Joined August 2006
Luxembourg877 Posts
March 15 2008 22:12 GMT
#717
On March 16 2008 06:54 TaimalaiX wrote:
I personally blame bad Mojo for Stork's throat-slit after his victory over Luxury.

yeah, that was pathetic
Retsukage
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1002 Posts
March 15 2008 22:16 GMT
#718
this is the era of flash
To change is to improve, to change often is to be perfect - Winston Chruchill
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
March 15 2008 22:22 GMT
#719
On March 15 2008 23:24 NonY[rC] wrote:
wowow stork you so bad. i bet there are AT LEAST 5 protoss that could have won that bo5
too bad none of these five were good enough to reach the finals
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
March 15 2008 22:26 GMT
#720
On March 16 2008 07:16 Retsukage wrote:
this is the era of flash


Nah, It's not that easy. People have forgotten about Jeadong, but I would still root for Jeadong in a Bo5. And then there's Bisu, which gave a good fight against flash but has been a bit too inconsistent. If he gets back to his best shape, we will have a nice race trio on the very top
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