[OSL] Finals: Stork vs Flash 3-15-08 - Page 36

On March 16 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
It's tough to tell if Stork sucked and then he lost, or if he lost and now he sucks. Like an old woman who falls and breaks her hip but really she broke her hip and then fell.

I say there are 5 protoss who could have beaten Flash in that bo5 but I couldn't name then. Any Protoss in the top 50 of KeSPA would be eligible. Flash got all build order wins and won all the mind games.

Game 1: Stork can easily adjust his build order to defend that tank push with ease, but it looked like he was scared of a vulture raid or he was just playing for late game, in any case, he was not preparing for that tank push. If he builds only 5 goons, then zealots, and has his goons placed up past his mineral-only, then Flash loses 3 tanks early on, Stork takes no significant losses, and Flash is in a very very difficult position. Neither player had scouting to confirm that their move was the right one, so it was a little rock-paper-scissors effect going on there.

Game 2: Obviously a rock-paper-scissors. You can try very hard to make an argument that Flash's Katrina play has been so good that Stork felt he'd only have a chance by hard countering his build and therefore took a risk. But I think that's really silly. Again, both players take possibly game winning and possibly game losing risks without any scouting to confirm their moves. Flash makes the right move.

Game 3: More rock-paper-scissors type of strategy going on. Flash forces it by doing his insane timing push. Insane meaning he cuts scv's HARD, doesn't get turrets, doesn't get comsats, and sends everything. Again, he has no scouting to confirm that he's making the right move. Stork was doing a very standard build when he certainly could have been preparing DT's or a heroic reaver. DT's would obviously repel the push and Flash would be left with a very weak economy. Reavers would counter Flash's low tank count and are especially effective considering the wide ramp at the naturals on Troy. Killing scv's would be incredibly effective against Flash's low SCV count.

Bisu's series against Flash showed how to control the course of the games, rather than leaving things to guesses and luck, but Bisu played unusually poorly in the midgame and lategame. I'm sure many protosses thought that they could have won a bo5 against Flash after that series. Stork had the wisdom of those games and yet still brought a wimpy style of early-game play which never allowed his late-game management to shine where Bisu made so many mistakes.

On March 16 2008 03:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
It's tough to tell if Stork sucked and then he lost, or if he lost and now he sucks. Like an old woman who falls and breaks her hip but really she broke her hip and then fell.

I say there are 5 protoss who could have beaten Flash in that bo5 but I couldn't name then. Any Protoss in the top 50 of KeSPA would be eligible. Flash got all build order wins and won all the mind games.

Game 1: Stork can easily adjust his build order to defend that tank push with ease, but it looked like he was scared of a vulture raid or he was just playing for late game, in any case, he was not preparing for that tank push. If he builds only 5 goons, then zealots, and has his goons placed up past his mineral-only, then Flash loses 3 tanks early on, Stork takes no significant losses, and Flash is in a very very difficult position. Neither player had scouting to confirm that their move was the right one, so it was a little rock-paper-scissors effect going on there.

Game 2: Obviously a rock-paper-scissors. You can try very hard to make an argument that Flash's Katrina play has been so good that Stork felt he'd only have a chance by hard countering his build and therefore took a risk. But I think that's really silly. Again, both players take possibly game winning and possibly game losing risks without any scouting to confirm their moves. Flash makes the right move.

Game 3: More rock-paper-scissors type of strategy going on. Flash forces it by doing his insane timing push. Insane meaning he cuts scv's HARD, doesn't get turrets, doesn't get comsats, and sends everything. Again, he has no scouting to confirm that he's making the right move. Stork was doing a very standard build when he certainly could have been preparing DT's or a heroic reaver. DT's would obviously repel the push and Flash would be left with a very weak economy. Reavers would counter Flash's low tank count and are especially effective considering the wide ramp at the naturals on Troy. Killing scv's would be incredibly effective against Flash's low SCV count.

Bisu's series against Flash showed how to control the course of the games, rather than leaving things to guesses and luck, but Bisu played unusually poorly in the midgame and lategame. I'm sure many protosses thought that they could have won a bo5 against Flash after that series. Stork had the wisdom of those games and yet still brought a wimpy style of early-game play which never allowed his late-game management to shine where Bisu made so many mistakes.

On March 16 2008 05:12 blazin777 wrote:
flash said in his interview that bisu is his protoss rival while jaedong is his zerg rival, lol
ouch stork

On March 15 2008 19:27 Southlight wrote:
It doesn't matter to me, as I've been watching, but Anch's sig is a spoiler...

On March 16 2008 06:54 TaimalaiX wrote:
I personally blame bad Mojo for Stork's throat-slit after his victory over Luxury.

On March 15 2008 23:24 NonY[rC] wrote:
wowow stork you so bad. i bet there are AT LEAST 5 protoss that could have won that bo5

On March 16 2008 07:16 Retsukage wrote:
this is the era of flash