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kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
January 23 2008 12:00 GMT
#501
i have not once seen bisu counter a zerg timing push to win
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
January 23 2008 12:00 GMT
#502
Whatever, it would have been gg about 3 seconds later anyway.
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-23 12:01:21
January 23 2008 12:00 GMT
#503
On January 23 2008 20:57 Alethios wrote:
Still a bit confused about what happened there.. They aren't playing again, next match up annouced. I would assume that July won... but i'm not entirely sure. Perhaps a decision is pending? July looked pretty mad.


my korean isn't exactly great, but from what i understood from the announcement, it ended with "however, given that bisu had such and such, and july had his hydras, july gets the win."

i'm fairly sure about the "july gets the win" part at the end.
Brood War is alive and well.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
January 23 2008 12:00 GMT
#504
Even with 1 DT out hed have lost, just split the 12 hydras + more on the way and rape everything silly. Nothing 1 DT can do about that hehe.
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
January 23 2008 12:01 GMT
#505
Bisu now 0-3 against Zergs in last three games. Scary.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 23 2008 12:01 GMT
#506
On January 23 2008 20:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2008 20:56 diehilde wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:52 diehilde wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:46 diehilde wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:43 diehilde wrote:
if bisu is ANY kind of a fair sportsman he will concede the game

i disagree, if he is any type of sportsman he'll instantly take the regame

professional sports is a business and people make a living on it, you don't give away opportunities for victory and money for "honor"

if the referees make a call in your favor, you take the regame

pf I disagree and Im 100% certain that some of the respected old school progamers who still take manners seriously WOULD have conceded that game.

maybe back in 2001, but not now

if the refs make a bad call in soccer or basketball or whatever do the players who benefited from it say "well you guys are right, here take the game" ??

no, because sometimes you are on the bad end, sometimes you are on the good end, it's the nature of random chance. if you are lucky, seize it.

this is completely different from a bad call in a soccer or basketball game... this is similar to the flashlights of a soccer stadium going out in the last seconds of a game in overtime which one team leads 3-0. U think the game would be completely replayed in that case? I think not.


why would a game with a score of 3-0 go to overtime

U obviously dont know much about soccer ^^ It could easily be 0-0 after 90 minutes and 0-3 after 120. Unlikely, but possible. I used the wrong word though i guess, what I really meant was extra time, i e the 1-5 minutes after the regular 90 minutes are over.


oh

overtime in all the sports i watch is like next point wins because its a tie

i dont watch soccer though yeah haha


In some sports (like Rugby), extra time is played simply to make up the time lost during the game due to interruptions and such.

So officials ruled that July won? Would have liked to see Bisu concede graciously though.

GG anyway
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kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
January 23 2008 12:02 GMT
#507
On January 23 2008 21:00 Nyovne wrote:
Even with 1 DT out hed have lost, just split the 12 hydras + more on the way and rape everything silly. Nothing 1 DT can do about that hehe.

Didn't july not have an overlord there? I know bisu killed one, not sure if there was another already there.
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
January 23 2008 12:03 GMT
#508
On January 23 2008 21:00 Hittegods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2008 20:58 GeLaar wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:56 Hittegods wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:55 GeLaar wrote:
again, they busted savior's balls for taking off the headphones. appearently, then it _didn't_ matter that the game was over. now suddenly it does.

This was due to a technical problem though.


all the more a reason why a decision should be automatically made against bisu.

You mean because it's his responsibility to make sure the computers work and are set up correctly? Removing your headphones and your computer crashing aren't really the same thing.


yes, it's not the same thing. in savior's case, he did something wrong and they had a rule for it, and he got a penalty point. in bisu's case, he did nothing wrong and they had a rule that would have helped him, and it was not applied.
Brood War is alive and well.
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
January 23 2008 12:03 GMT
#509
I can't believe the liquibets :

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OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
January 23 2008 12:04 GMT
#510
You can't blame Bisu for not conceding, but I'm happy with the decision.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-23 12:05:02
January 23 2008 12:04 GMT
#511
On January 23 2008 21:03 Catyoul wrote:
I can't believe the liquibets :

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me neither, i voted july
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diehilde1
Profile Joined September 2006
Germany522 Posts
January 23 2008 12:04 GMT
#512
On January 23 2008 20:57 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2008 20:56 azndsh wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:46 diehilde wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:43 diehilde wrote:
if bisu is ANY kind of a fair sportsman he will concede the game

i disagree, if he is any type of sportsman he'll instantly take the regame

professional sports is a business and people make a living on it, you don't give away opportunities for victory and money for "honor"

if the referees make a call in your favor, you take the regame

pf I disagree and Im 100% certain that some of the respected old school progamers who still take manners seriously WOULD have conceded that game.

maybe back in 2001, but not now

if the refs make a bad call in soccer or basketball or whatever do the players who benefited from it say "well you guys are right, here take the game" ??

no, because sometimes you are on the bad end, sometimes you are on the good end, it's the nature of random chance. if you are lucky, seize it.


This is exactly why I respect progamers far more than athletes in any other sport. Good sportsmanship is a requirement for progaming. In every other sport, it's just a foul, and you'll get a fine/suspension if you do something really outrageous.

There's no steroid usage, dog fighting, or throwing punches. OGN should allow for a regame, and Bisu should concede.

this is mostly because it's not a mainstream sport, if millions of dollars were on the line, your "honor" goes right out the window

sure it's easy to concede when the culture and community is still small and close knit and your entire life isn't banking on one game

osl finals, yellow's last chance at an OSL title, 5th game final set this happens, you think he'd not take the option at a regame? what if the prize money was a whole year's salary?

but the prize money isnt a whole years salary. And in fact the fans worship the ones with really high sportsmanship, thus these guys make more money from commercials and stuff. If you come with a financial argument, you have to see that things like conceding the game out of manner when it was clearly over are the things that form ur image as an Idol for the fans. The more fans, the more money u can earn.
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
January 23 2008 12:05 GMT
#513
So Bisu is now 0-4 in his last 4 PvZ. (gasp!)
Looks like someone is spiraling downwards.

In other news Lee Jae Dong is on an 11 game winning streak and is 16-1 in his last 17 games.
With his recent win he also climed to 4'th in ELO peaks behind only Oov, Savior, and Nada and is now an undisputed ass-raping monster.


RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
January 23 2008 12:05 GMT
#514
Thank god sanity prevailed there.

It would have be an absolute disgrace if Bisu got a regame there.

Rules are there for a reason, but they have to be flexible. If there is any doubt there should be a regame, but this game was 100% July's.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-23 12:08:18
January 23 2008 12:06 GMT
#515
Fuck why are theses bo1-games? ^^

edit:
Why do I mix up yellow and kwanro?
do they look like same at all?
BlackSphinx
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada317 Posts
January 23 2008 12:06 GMT
#516
1st Troy cross map I see, yay!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-23 12:09:10
January 23 2008 12:07 GMT
#517
On January 23 2008 21:04 diehilde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2008 20:57 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:56 azndsh wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:46 diehilde wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:43 diehilde wrote:
if bisu is ANY kind of a fair sportsman he will concede the game

i disagree, if he is any type of sportsman he'll instantly take the regame

professional sports is a business and people make a living on it, you don't give away opportunities for victory and money for "honor"

if the referees make a call in your favor, you take the regame

pf I disagree and Im 100% certain that some of the respected old school progamers who still take manners seriously WOULD have conceded that game.

maybe back in 2001, but not now

if the refs make a bad call in soccer or basketball or whatever do the players who benefited from it say "well you guys are right, here take the game" ??

no, because sometimes you are on the bad end, sometimes you are on the good end, it's the nature of random chance. if you are lucky, seize it.


This is exactly why I respect progamers far more than athletes in any other sport. Good sportsmanship is a requirement for progaming. In every other sport, it's just a foul, and you'll get a fine/suspension if you do something really outrageous.

There's no steroid usage, dog fighting, or throwing punches. OGN should allow for a regame, and Bisu should concede.

this is mostly because it's not a mainstream sport, if millions of dollars were on the line, your "honor" goes right out the window

sure it's easy to concede when the culture and community is still small and close knit and your entire life isn't banking on one game

osl finals, yellow's last chance at an OSL title, 5th game final set this happens, you think he'd not take the option at a regame? what if the prize money was a whole year's salary?

but the prize money isnt a whole years salary. And in fact the fans worship the ones with really high sportsmanship, thus these guys make more money from commercials and stuff. If you come with a financial argument, you have to see that things like conceding the game out of manner when it was clearly over are the things that form ur image as an Idol for the fans. The more fans, the more money u can earn.

i don't think you understand what i'm saying, if progaming was for millions of dollars in salary, an OSL win matters much more than fan perception, as a team will pay for success

imo and i talked to mani about this (and we disagree) the best solution is to replay the game from the moment of disconnect (where bisu would 99.99% lose). but since that's not available, they can't award the game to july because there was still a possibility, however small, of him building a gate somewhere in the corner of his base and killing the hydras and coming back. it's like 0.0001% but i think they have to do it.

edit: look, i'm not saying the "right" or "fair" outcome didn't happen; july won that game. i'm just saying it's something OGN needs to think hard about.
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
January 23 2008 12:07 GMT
#518
On January 23 2008 20:57 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2008 20:56 azndsh wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:46 diehilde wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 23 2008 20:43 diehilde wrote:
if bisu is ANY kind of a fair sportsman he will concede the game

i disagree, if he is any type of sportsman he'll instantly take the regame

professional sports is a business and people make a living on it, you don't give away opportunities for victory and money for "honor"

if the referees make a call in your favor, you take the regame

pf I disagree and Im 100% certain that some of the respected old school progamers who still take manners seriously WOULD have conceded that game.

maybe back in 2001, but not now

if the refs make a bad call in soccer or basketball or whatever do the players who benefited from it say "well you guys are right, here take the game" ??

no, because sometimes you are on the bad end, sometimes you are on the good end, it's the nature of random chance. if you are lucky, seize it.


This is exactly why I respect progamers far more than athletes in any other sport. Good sportsmanship is a requirement for progaming. In every other sport, it's just a foul, and you'll get a fine/suspension if you do something really outrageous.

There's no steroid usage, dog fighting, or throwing punches. OGN should allow for a regame, and Bisu should concede.

this is mostly because it's not a mainstream sport, if millions of dollars were on the line, your "honor" goes right out the window

sure it's easy to concede when the culture and community is still small and close knit and your entire life isn't banking on one game

osl finals, yellow's last chance at an OSL title, 5th game final set this happens, you think he'd not take the option at a regame? what if the prize money was a whole year's salary?


I can't say for sure given your extremely stretched and hypothetical situation, but I'd expect him to concede the match if he was seconds away from typing "gg". Progamers are regarded as pop idols and quite differently from athletes in other sports. You do not hear girly screams of delight erupt when someone makes a particularly beautiful jump shot. They act by and are held to a much higher standard of honor and sportsmanship, even if its just by their fans.
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
January 23 2008 12:07 GMT
#519
Troy
Jeadong top right
Backho bottom left

P does pylon at his nat
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51451 Posts
January 23 2008 12:07 GMT
#520
haha i bet you all no one on tl.net will ask what the intro song is
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