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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2094 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-17 18:26:45
January 17 2008 18:01 GMT
#41
I wouldn't say Blue Storm is fair. It reall is heavily in favor of Zerg. Playing Terran would be suicide for example. 63% ZvP isn't balanced.

Well, based on stats here's my prediction:

(T)Sea > (T)DarkElf
Sea's TvT is better. He never lost on Monty Hall SE and only once on the old one. Darkelf last won on this back in october. Oddly enough he beat Sea once.

(P)Pusan > (Z)Kwanro
The map favours Zerg, but the sample size is small. Kwanro's ZvP is hard to judge after two games and a little stomping by Bisu. I lean towards Pusan for his experience.

(Z)Saint/(T)Light > (Z)sAviOr/(P)Nbs[gm]
Saint and Light have never lost together. Saint also has a lot of experience in 2v2 and seems to be doing well on this map. Nbs doesn't look so hot in comparison.

(P)Bisu > (T)Iris
The map favours toss. Their matchup skills seem similar. But maybe Iris will find a way to counter 2 base carriers. I doubt it though.

(Z)HyuN > (P)Much
The prime Zerg map. Hyun looks strong, even though he has to prove himself against better players. PvZ is Much's weakest matchup.

(T)910/(Z)Thezerg < (Z)Jy/(T)Memory
The CJ combo looks better on paper. Nothing else to say.

It looks like a clear MBC victory to me.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
January 17 2008 18:02 GMT
#42
Looks bad for CJ. I can't see them winning this. Actually I can but they are the clear underdogs.

Much should have been put on Katrina, and Iris on Blue Storm. Much would have about 50/50 chance vs. Bisu but probably even more. Iris would be the clear favourite over Hyun.

I don't know what the coatch was thinking. They knew MBC would send a P on this map obviously, so I am guessing Iris will go for some sort of non-standard build. Maybe a timing push. Maybe reminiscent of his games vs Stork. I don't see any other reason they would put Iris on this map. Playing standard would be suicidal here.

Kwanro seems to have poor ZvP, but I am not sure. Putting him on Baek was a meh choice, not good not bad. I don't know what to expect from him really.

In the first set, Sea is the favourite but Darkelf can steal the game if Sea plays subpar. I doubt he will though.
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
January 17 2008 18:41 GMT
#43
CJ's lineup is a bit stronger overall imo, but with the maps favoring MBC's players - CJ will have to have some good gimmicky build orders planned..
THE ANSWER IS 288
Gaetele
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Esper760 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-17 19:17:10
January 17 2008 19:16 GMT
#44
(T)Sea < (T)DarkElf
(T)DarkElf is CJ's Monty Hall sniper and he does exceptionally well on that map. However, (T)Sea is a beast at Starcraft in general, so I wouldn't be surprised if it goes either way.

(P)Pusan < (Z)Kwanro
Baekmagoji is a nice map for ZvP and I would venture to guess that (P)Pusan's PvZ isn't anywhere near (P)Bisu's. (Z)Kwanro, however, is a nice, aggressive Zerg, and I would expect him to take this one.

(Z)Saint/(T)Light > (Z)sAviOr/(P)Nbs[gm]
(Z)Saint/(T)Light are an established 2v2 team and they've been putting up good showings throughout the season. I would like to see them win this one. Hwangsanbul is a nice map.

(P)Bisu > (T)Iris
PvT on Katrina. Enough said.

(Z)HyuN > (P)Much
ZvP on Blue Storm is slightly imbalanced in favour of Zerg, but I think that (P)Much has (Z)Enough experience just as a player to be able to take this.

(T)910/(Z)Thezerg < (Z)Jy/(T)Memory
(Z)Jy/Anyone is a good 2v2 team. Also, it's finally starting to dawn on people that TZ is the expected showing on Seongangil. Goliaths on the cliff are just too good.

For the ACE match, since it's on Python, you can pretty (P)Much expect anyone. I would venture to see (T)Sea for MBC and (T)XellOs/(Z)sAviOr/(P)Much for CJ.
aka Ghostclaws
HonkHonkBeep
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
China353 Posts
January 17 2008 19:51 GMT
#45
Well all I can say is goddamnit, I voted for CJ automatically before the lineups were out because I'm an impulsive liquibetter, and now it looks like they're going to be raped
God is cruel; sometimes he makes us live.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 17 2008 19:58 GMT
#46
I believe. CJ FIGHTING.
Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
January 17 2008 21:23 GMT
#47
Man, I'm a diehard fan of CJ but this looks grim for them. :S I'm scared to watch the games.
aka. Samael
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
January 17 2008 21:31 GMT
#48
i think it'll all come down to the final 2v2 game
hawt
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
January 17 2008 21:40 GMT
#49
Lets go MBCGame!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
January 17 2008 21:58 GMT
#50
While CJ sent a subpar lineup, some of you guys have AWFUL reasons for your predictions.

Much's PvZ is actually a lot better than you think, and Hyun is the underdog in that matchup.

Kwanro beating Pusan won't be a surprise, but he isn't a favorite for sure.

Iris vs Bisu is like 40/60, and if it was Much vs Bisu it would be like 80/20 because Much is far far better at PvP than Bisu.

The main 2 arguments for CJs weak lineup isn't the players per se, it's the lack of Savior AND Xellos in a 1v1 along with the maps they put players on.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-17 22:19:14
January 17 2008 22:18 GMT
#51
Sea
Kwangro
MBC
Bisu
Much
CJ
Sea vs Savior
4-3 either way
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
Senix
Profile Joined October 2004
Germany149 Posts
January 17 2008 22:23 GMT
#52
Im hoping for a Bisu VS Savior Ace match EPIC finish
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
January 17 2008 22:44 GMT
#53
MBC definitely has the edge here.

Hoping for Xellos in the ace match!
Xellos <3
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 17 2008 22:49 GMT
#54
Zzzzzzz 4-0 CJ ez.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
January 17 2008 23:19 GMT
#55
I kind of like Katrina, but then I TLPD the statistics TvP on it ... why is it so imbalanced? I think it's a neat old map.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 17 2008 23:23 GMT
#56
CJ ez!
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
January 17 2008 23:49 GMT
#57
Hoping for CJ. It would be most gratifying to see either of the Sexy Terrans crushing Jaedong against all odds.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
January 17 2008 23:50 GMT
#58
On January 18 2008 08:19 Ancestral wrote:
I kind of like Katrina, but then I TLPD the statistics TvP on it ... why is it so imbalanced? I think it's a neat old map.



It has easy to take naturals, and the way the cliffs run make it easy for Carriers to maneuver from the gollies.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 17 2008 23:52 GMT
#59
such bad matchups for cj. pretty hard for them to win
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
January 18 2008 00:33 GMT
#60
Katrina is just an ugly ugly map.

If CJ win this you can't say they didn't deserve it.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
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