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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On December 22 2007 22:22 Kaolla wrote: 0 difference... would still have been too little... even if he killed 2-4 scourge it still woulda been too little and GG Since youre such a great player and we suck Try this out 24 sairs vs 60 Mutas and 20 scrouge Try that scenario out, it may prove some stuff to you. | ||
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
On December 22 2007 22:22 Kaolla wrote: how can you say that another sair would make 0 difference when you just admitted unit increase is exponential? don't hate man, jaedong attacked with that timing for a pretty significant reason. of course he always could have waited for more mutas right? since more sairs and cannons don't make a big difference? and the timing wasn't a big deal? right? he could've waited right?0 difference... would still have been too little... even if he killed 2-4 scourge it still woulda been too little and GG | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On December 22 2007 22:22 Kaolla wrote: 0 difference... would still have been too little... even if he killed 2-4 scourge it still woulda been too little and GG You're missing the point here. It's possible that Stork still would've lost even 1 minute later (he didn't have the best control), but the battle would've been much, much closer and hard to call. That's why it's called a timing attack. A Terran can also move out in a "timing push" against Protoss (e.g. vs fast 3 base), which becomes less effective the longer he waits. Jaedong's attack at that moment in time was far more powerful than it would've been 1 min or more later. It's not just 1-2 more sairs (build time 40 sec, not 60 sec), 2 cannons could've been added as well. Stork had like 6-7 cannons at his nat I think, so he's not afraid to add them although I don't know why he built them there. | ||
lilsusie
3861 Posts
i got to talk to stork a bit afterwards, he was PISSSED as hell for losing. looked sooo sad. so glad you guys got to see my TL.net sign - i worked hard to get it on tv  it's 11pm and I just got home from the event - gonna post a blog in the morning i guess. or later tonight. took tons of pics. | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On December 22 2007 23:16 lilsusie wrote: <3 <3 i love you guys toooooo~~ i got to talk to stork a bit afterwards, he was PISSSED as hell for losing. looked sooo sad. so glad you guys got to see my TL.net sign - i worked hard to get it on tv it's 11pm and I just got home from the event - gonna post a blog in the morning i guess. or later tonight. took tons of pics. look forward to it. congratulations for being on tv! | ||
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LibertyTerran
Vietnam711 Posts
On December 22 2007 23:16 lilsusie wrote: <3 <3 i love you guys toooooo~~ i got to talk to stork a bit afterwards, he was PISSSED as hell for losing. looked sooo sad. so glad you guys got to see my TL.net sign - i worked hard to get it on tv it's 11pm and I just got home from the event - gonna post a blog in the morning i guess. or later tonight. took tons of pics. You're such a cutie <3 | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On December 22 2007 22:15 liosama wrote: can you just say non-linear? how can you quantitively proove if the increase is quadratic of exponential It's basically like this. X marine vs. 1 zealot. Assume the zealot has infinite energy. The zealot will kill the marines one by one. Suppose one marine dies per minute. What's the damage done at the end? First minute, there's X marines. Second minute, X-1, and so on. After all marines are dead, how much damage was done to the zealot? (X + X - 1 + X - 2 + ... ) worth of marine-minutes. That's quadratic in X (it's exactly X(X+1)/2). It basically means that the more units you have, the more effective each unit becomes. Divide the expression by X, and we see that each unit's individual efficiency linearly increases with the size of the pack. In other words, a marine among 10 is 5.5 times more effective than a marine by himself. EDIT: And oh, exponential is NOT the right term. Strictly speaking, exponential increase refers to 2^n or (some base)^n. Quadratic increase is the term you're looking for, although exponential does sound fitting. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On December 22 2007 23:34 StRyKeR wrote: It's basically like this. X marine vs. 1 zealot. Assume the zealot has infinite energy. The zealot will kill the marines one by one. Suppose one marine dies per minute. What's the damage done at the end? First minute, there's X marines. Second minute, X-1, and so on. After all marines are dead, how much damage was done to the zealot? (X + X - 1 + X - 2 + ... ) worth of marine-minutes. That's quadratic in X (it's exactly X(X+1)/2). It basically means that the more units you have, the more effective each unit becomes. Divide the expression by X, and we see that each unit's individual efficiency linearly increases with the size of the pack. In other words, a marine among 10 is 5.5 times more effective than a marine by himself. EDIT: And oh, exponential is NOT the right term. Strictly speaking, exponential increase refers to 2^n or (some base)^n. Quadratic increase is the term you're looking for, although exponential does sound fitting. Aren't you only considering damage dealt tho? Corsairs are a different situation, because it is a splash based unit (unlike zeal) and survivability vs scourge (and muta) is very important to its effectiveness. I don't think you can put an exact number on how much improvement one corsair gives. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On December 22 2007 23:47 G.s)NarutO wrote: Missed it, I want vods =D You can find them on youtube just by searching for "jaedong v stork" | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
Jaedong won, hoho man, good for him. ![[image loading]](http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5877/jaedongf1mg6.jpg) "I lost... Wait a minute! I won! I won!" | ||
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saranghaeCYX
United States54 Posts
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
This I gotta watch later. | ||
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lilsusie
3861 Posts
![[image loading]](http://xfc.xanga.com/9d6c32e305030164195034/b123925727.jpg) ^_^ - this is actually before the whole game - right as he got there. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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Pervect
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On December 23 2007 00:14 lilsusie wrote: ^_^ - this is actually before the whole game - right as he got there. omg fuck lucky susie AJDFKJASDFA μμμμμ 18 plz i want a photo with jaeong too xD | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
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