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![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/5/52/Scr-minerals.png/20px-Scr-minerals.png) Introduction:
This contest started with 88 submissions and we are now finally down to the final four maps. The nostalgia is bringing back many past memories from back in the day. We hope you have enjoyed this contest as much as we have! Bravo to everyone who entered and participated, it was exciting to see everyone's interoperations on their favorite classic maps. Thus far we have had great success with our past and current contests by adding some fresh quality maps into numerous leagues around the community!
And once again, and it's time to crown a new champion (no pun intended)!
Voting:
- List your top two (2) favorite maps in order in a comment below.
- Exactly two (2)votes are needed from each voter in order for the vote to count.
- New TL accounts must also post their battle.net tag with their vote. (Example: mynameis#123123)
Rules:
- Voting ends May 25, 16:00 CEST / 23:00 KR
- The Dowdall system will be used to rank voting scores.
- Finalists contestants cannot vote.
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![[image loading]](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PoliteDrearyEmperorshrimp-size_restricted.gif) Poll: What is your favorite tileset?Jungle (45) 25% Twilight (32) 18% Space (31) 18% Desert (24) 14% Ice World (23) 13% Badlands (11) 6% Ashworld (11) 6% 177 total votes Your vote: What is your favorite tileset? (Vote): Space
(Vote): Jungle
(Vote): Desert
(Vote): Badlands
(Vote): Twilight
(Vote): Ice World
(Vote): Ashworld
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(4)Paranoid Android Map Information
TBA
I will write the information in the next days.
Dear voters, please consider this is NOT a "1v1 only" competition. And discarding Paranoid just because it's not playable on 1v1 wouldn't be a good thing. (4)Paranoid Android is a 2v2 map, please don't evaluate it according to the 1v1 meta.
(4)Paranoid Android has been selected for the BSL 2v2 map pool, and offers three different entertaining 2v2 situations depending of the position of your ally!
I still can't belive this Competition has a 2v2 map as one of the top 4!!! And that's amazing! thank you for your votes!
I'm Sorry i don't have time to upload the map info and the VODs right now, but please, take a look at the pictures above.
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Champion Map Information
Current Version : 1.1
Download : TBA
Size: 112 x 128
Tileset : Badland
Rush Distance : 32 secs
Information : + Show Spoiler +
- This map is remake version of Challenger.
- I focused on remaining originality and integrating standard map style.
test match VOD : + Show Spoiler +
https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/101573279?change_second=3119
More information could be added in future. Thanks for read this.
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+ Show Spoiler +(2)Sand StormVersion: 0.99.9e Size: 128x112 Rush Distance: + Show Spoiler +-------------------------------------------------------------
Sand Storm
44s = main base - main base
36s = Main Base Entrance - Main Base Entrance
26s = Second Base Entrance - Second Base Entrance
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Eclipse
45s = main base - main base
36s = Main Base Entrance - Main Base Entrance
30s = Second Base Entrance - Second Base Entrance
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Butter
46s = main base - main base
34s = Main Base Entrance - Main Base Entrance
26.5s = Second Base Entrance - Second Base Entrance
(closer to 27 seconds.)
------------------------------------------------------------- Editors Notes: + Show Spoiler +-Map inspiration from BlueStorm (by EarthAttack).
-Small mineral small field (1x64) on the bridge blocks large units passing through. Once the mineral is mined out, the door is open for any unit to pass. This can be used offensively or defensively. VODs: + Show Spoiler +This map has had pro testing with input that influenced modifications.
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1. Sand Storm
2. Champion
The other two I find kind of boring.
Champion would be no. 1 for me but I'm a sucker for desert tileset. Thank you Minerals for the continued effort.
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Your ID : JoJo
Location : Sweden
Map Name : Lights Out
Map Version : Latest update is Lights Out3.3
Changes to the map from previous stage is the altered center and the layout for 3, 9, 6 and 12 has been improved.
Also overall improved symmetry.
Map Size : 128x128
Rush distance : 31 seconds Horizontally, 30 seconds Vertically, 39 seconds diagonally
Map Description : Circuit Breakers. 4P standardish map. Original map made by 김응서 (Earthattack). Added eggs for todays meta walling, tileset is changed. General layout kept. The expansions 12, 6, 9 and 3 is changed to make them a bit safer 3d expansion. Lowground => now midground.
Resemblance of original map:
* The general layout is kept to keep the game similar in the mid - outskirts as well as remind you of the original map.
I changed the center layout to hopefully wake some 2on2 interest, i.e the centre is remade to give more altering game mechanics. High ground delays Terran movement and adds important paths for zerg and protoss to counter attack.
- Resources
Mains : 9x1500 Mineral + 1x5000 Gas
Naturals : 8x1500 Mineral + 1x5000 Gas
3d's : 8x1500 + 5000 Gas
Mineral onlies: Minerals 6x1500 + Half Mineral
Islands : 7x1500 + Half Gas
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1. Champion
2. Sand Storm
Clear winners in my eyes. They look like they would provide some sick and fresh games. Well done, all!
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1. Sand Storm
2. Paranoid Android XXL
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Russian Federation1611 Posts
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand Storm
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1. Sand Storm
2. Lights Out
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1. Sand Storm
2. Lights Out
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I wonder who is playing vs Shine..
His name suggests  ByungSoo
But on Liquipedia says that he is a zerg user...idk 
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EDITED my vote
1. Lights Out
2. Champion
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1. Sand Storm
2. Paranoid Android
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1. Paranoid Android
2. Champion
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The top 4 maps look amazing. I didn't like the earlier iterations of Lights Out but the new version looks much nicer. It's a difficult decision. :<
I think all four deserve to win and I hope to see them in future tournaments. I'll go with:
1. Champion
2. Paranoid Android
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1. Lights Out
2. Paranoid Android
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1. Sand Storm
2. Lights out
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1: Paranoid Android XXL
2: Sand Storm
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1. Champion
2. Paranoid Android XXL
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand Storm
Thank you for all your effort guys.
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1. Lights Out
2. Sandstorm
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1. Paranoid Android
2. Lights Out (just to see vulture harass on that map)
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1 - Sand Storm
2 - Paranoid Android
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1- Paranoid Android
2- Champion
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I like Darude and Radiohead
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On May 05 2023 13:00 Back2Back wrote:
I like Darude and Radiohead
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On May 05 2023 13:38 MineraIs wrote:?
He is voting for Sandstorm as number 1 and PA as number 2
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1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Sand Storm
ID SC
Psylokill#1564
I am member of the group called Daliz Army and we all play StarCraft. Daliz broadcast through Facebook platform.
There is no reason to think that we are fake accounts just because we have created ours accounts recently.
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1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Sand Storm
ID: Solstyle#1750
Vamos Perú !! Vamos Testbug ! aunque hagan de todo para que se complique las votaciones, la comunidad de Latam si apoya realmente el Starcraft!!
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1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Lights Out
bt: Riquelme#11617
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Netherlands4805 Posts
1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Champion
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1. Paranoid Android
2. Lights Out
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1- Paranoid Android XXL
2- Champion
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1- Paranoid Android XXL
2- Champion
Id SC SuperAmoZerg#1506
Quiero aclarar que no es una cuenta falsa como se acusa, pertenezco a la Daliz army
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On May 05 2023 15:45 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2023 13:38 MineraIs wrote:On May 05 2023 13:00 Back2Back wrote:
I like Darude and Radiohead ? He is voting for Sandstorm as number 1 and PA as number 2
Then he should say exactly that.
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New Rule:
- New TL accounts must also post their battle.net tag with their vote. (Example: mynameis#123123)
- Las nuevas cuentas de TL también deben publicar su etiqueta de battle.net con su voto. (Ejemplo: minombrees#123123
- 새로운 TL 계정도 투표와 함께 battle.net 태그를 게시해야 합니다. (예: mynameis#123123)
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
1- Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sandstorm
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand Storm
go Perú
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1 Champion
2 Lights Out
lol all the new accounts, someone moving zombies XD
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wow, so many new accounts and they all vote for the same map made by a Peruvian dude as #1 pick? this doesn't look suspicious AT ALL..
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@MaxAle, @Daliz, @Conan1, @Edinson F, @Edsel Luis, @Crossfield
Any new accounts voting in this round without a Battle.net tag on their post will not count. If you have voted with a new ID please edit your post with a bnet account for verification purposes otherwise your vote will not count.
Cualquier cuenta nueva que vote en esta ronda sin la etiqueta de Battle.net en su publicación no contará. Si tiene una identificación nueva, edite su publicación con una cuenta bnet para fines de verificación.
이번 라운드에서 게시물에 Battle.net 태그 없이 투표하는 신규 계정은 포함되지 않습니다. 신규 아이디인 경우 인증을 위해 bnet 계정으로 글을 수정해주세요.
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On May 06 2023 15:31 M3t4PhYzX wrote:wow, so many new accounts and they all vote for the same map made by a Peruvian dude as #1 pick? this doesn't look suspicious AT ALL..
Could have at least varied the race icon.
Tesagi
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1. Champion
2. Paranoid Android
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No offense but what a terrible idea that extra multi 3rd gas on Sandstorm. I loved the layout on desert tile set though.
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On May 07 2023 05:04 Malongo wrote:
No offense but what a terrible idea that extra multi 3rd gas on Sandstorm. I loved the layout on desert tile set though. the third geyser is 2000 value. No players have said anything negative about it yet in testing.
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Paranoid Android
Sand storm
Toffee#11125
Vamos Test
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On May 07 2023 05:06 MineraIs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2023 05:04 Malongo wrote:
No offense but what a terrible idea that extra multi 3rd gas on Sandstorm. I loved the layout on desert tile set though. the third geyser is 2000 value. No players have said anything negative about it yet in testing.
It's about throwing bases all around, Blue Storm was interesting because your third gas was far away and this increased the importance of the middle bases.
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand Storm
DavisSC#1866
go Perú
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On May 07 2023 05:49 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2023 05:06 MineraIs wrote:On May 07 2023 05:04 Malongo wrote:
No offense but what a terrible idea that extra multi 3rd gas on Sandstorm. I loved the layout on desert tile set though. the third geyser is 2000 value. No players have said anything negative about it yet in testing. It's about throwing bases all around, Blue Storm was interesting because your third gas was far away and this increased the importance of the middle bases.
My goal with sandstorm was to make a comfortable standard map, with a classic citrus zest.
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1. (4) Paranoid Android XXL
2. (4) Lights Out
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Turned my post into a spoiler tag to enhance thread readability:
+ Show Spoiler + Hi guys, sorry for disappearing for a couple of days, i had fever and i was in bed. I don't remember my TL password so i couldnt post any comment from my phone. "this new accounts are voting for that "peruvian guy"... haha it sound like "Testbug is not a talented mapper... he created fake accounts to win the competition fraudulently  Hey guys, do you want to know who is Conan1? On May 05 2023 23:46 Conan1 wrote:
1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Lights Out He is the best Zerg player in Latam. Runnerup of from the LatinAmerican Cup Copa Latinoamericana/1![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/m62UdsK.png) Who do i know it's him? ...because today i sent him a PM asking if that's him or not: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/brFfgMu.png) Who is Daliz? On May 05 2023 23:24 Daliz wrote:
1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Sand Storm
Vamos Test ! Oh, she is a peruvian female streamer ( https://www.facebook.com/DalizGamer). She is also the organizer of the female StarCraft Cup (on-site). Different female players from different countries are traveling to Perú for this tournament. Guess who is paying for the prize pool and per diem for the female players? the community! They don't neet to "steal" the NWMC3 prize pool because the StarCraft Community is composed of adults, and the community members can crowfund anything they want. We participated crowfundeding BSL and Latin American Cup! On May 06 2023 15:31 M3t4PhYzX wrote:wow, so many new accounts and they all vote for the same map made by a Peruvian dude as #1 pick? this doesn't look suspicious AT ALL.. I find this comment offensive. I've been working for years building my personal brand «Testbug» as a reputable name. Do you want to know who are the last people voting for my map? I can make a list for you: - bovienchien, with 1102 posts, probably not a fake account right?
- Crossfield and Toffee17, with bnet tag, you might not know them because they are latam members who didn't have a TL accounts until yesterday.
- sTYleZerG-eX Pr, with 473 postos, probably not a fake account right?
- Qikz, with 11950 posts, probably not a fake account right?
- Zerg1982 with bnet tag, (he even wrote a funny message swearing he is not a fake account, you can use translator)
- Edsel Luis and Edinson F with no bnet tag.
- Peeano, with 3996 posts, probably not a fake account right?
- Conan1, the best zerg player in latam, runnerup of from the LatinAmerican Cup.
- Daliz, peruvian female streamer, organizer of the female StarCraft Cup
- LML, with 1634 Posts, probably not a fake account right?
- and i can continue, and continue, and continue
Let me tell you one more thing: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Mivjfm1.png) This peruvian guy map was also the most voted map in the preivous round... And this peruvian guy have been mapping since 2006... and this peruvian guy has won a dozen of mapping competitions in the last 17 years... I don't want it to look like I'm bragging. I just feel proud of this.I didn't know about this new rule because i was in bed (I have a fever right now), and i think this rule is a good thing! just let me know if you want Daliz and Conan to edit their posts and paste their bnet tags, or if i can provide them (i know their tags). Last question: why are they creating their accounts today?I've been talking to many LATAM players since the 1st round of the competition and 2nd round of the competition but they didn't create their accounts and they didn't vote. This time, i contacted them again. The big difference is that this time: - I told them this is the final final round and maybe that's why they finally registered.
- There are only 4 maps to choose so voting is easier than in previous rounds.
I didn't ask thenm to explicitly vote for my map. I usualy say something like "your vote is important for the mapping community" but i see some of them are writing things like "go go Perú" or "go go Test" so i will try to make sure they understand the message: vote for the 2 favorite maps on the list, regardless of the nationality of the author. Final wordsPlease guys, remember that people from Latam don't have TL accounts (as you can see, not even Conan had an account until yesterday) and many american and european community members have a TL account since 2005 or 2006... So, this new rule can feel offensive for some players because It feels like an anti-latino rule. Whe i explained this new rule to them, some of them said "omg they are so xenophobic" haha. So... would you guys consider adding this rulle for all the users? instead of only new accounts? Latam voters will probably always be new accounts... let me show you 2 examples: Example 1: OliPatrick, one of the most important casters in latam, with 83,000 followers on facebook ( www.facebook.com) didn't have an account until the stage 1 of this competition: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/CbOLvCd.png) and ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xOwG1fm.png) in fact, his only 2 posts are in the NWMC3 threads... he never came back to TL after that. Example 2: Jan, from RemastrTV, one of the most important StarCraft casters in latam, with 48,200 subscribers on youtube ( https://www.youtube.com/@RemastrTV) registered on january 2023 in order to vote in the 1st round of this competition: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pDBYB5w.png) and ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/sb3cRSk.png) he has now 7 posts, but he was one of the few people who actually registered and voted when i contacted him during the first round. And didn't have an account at that moment. Most of the people i contacted didn't register. And if they vote in this round, they will probably have to create a new account to do that. Thank you for reading, i'll go back to bed (sorry but i feel super sick right now). I'm so sorry this new users made you think someone is cheating. I love this game, and i would never do somethig that can ruin this beautiful game, or this beautiful community. I find some of your comments a litttle bit toxic, and one of the most valuable characteristics of the StarCraft Community is the 0% toxicity. This community is not toxic, because we are all adults. And have more important things to do than cheating on a contest. Have a nice day!!!
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On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2023 15:31 M3t4PhYzX wrote:wow, so many new accounts and they all vote for the same map made by a Peruvian dude as #1 pick? this doesn't look suspicious AT ALL.. I find this comment offensive. I've been working for years building my personal brand «Testbug» as a reputable name. Do you want to know who are the last people voting for my map? I can make a list for you:
No it's not offensive, it's actually suspicious. I had the precaution and gave it the benefit of the doubt calling it a zombi horde instead of suspicious, but anyone is going to raise an eyebrow if 5 or so people come out of nowhere voting for x person. Nobody cares if your peruvian or any other nationality.
On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:
Let me tell you one more thing:
This peruvian guy map was also the most voted map in the preivous round...
And this peruvian guy have been mapping since 2006... and this peruvian guy has won a dozen of mapping competitions in the last 17 years... I don't want it to look like I'm bragging. I just feel proud of this.
Then you know it is normal in the internet to look at this voting pattern as suspicious.
On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:
I didn't know about this new rule because i was in bed (I have a fever right now), and i think this rule is a good thing! just let me know if you want Daliz and Conan to edit their posts and paste their bnet tags, or if i can provide them (i know their tags).
Well, its a new rule and it looks to be a good way to prevent any abuse. It's not like you would stay silent if I made 10 tl accounts and started voting the other maps right? Common sense man.
On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:Last question: why are they creating their accounts today?I've been talking to many LATAM players since the 1st round of the competition and 2nd round of the competition but they didn't create their accounts and they didn't vote. This time, i contacted them again. The big difference is that this time: - I told them this is the final final round and maybe that's why they finally registered.
- There are only 4 maps to choose so voting is easier than in previous rounds.
I didn't ask thenm to explicitly vote for my map. I usualy say something like "your vote is important for the mapping community" but i see some of them are writing things like "go go Perú" or "go go Test" so i will try to make sure they understand the message: vote for the 2 favorite maps on the list, regardless of the nationality of the author.
It's not like they are going to vote someone else if you are asking them to vote right? Let's be realistic here, this is more a zombi rally on you, which I think is ok as long as they are different people from the BW community to some extent.
On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:
Final words
Please guys, remember that people from Latam don't have TL accounts (as you can see, not even Conan had an account until yesterday) and many american and european community members have a TL account since 2005 or 2006...
So, this new rule can feel offensive for some players because It feels like an anti-latino rule. Whe i explained this new rule to them, some of them said "omg they are so xenophobic" haha. So... would you guys consider adding this rulle for all the users? instead of only new accounts? Latam voters will probably always be new accounts...
No offense to you but this is just ignorant nonsense, sorry. There just a lot of latam users here from waay back. Nobody is thinking this is an anti latino rule. Stop trying to play victim, grow up.
Bottom line, just accept it's a decent preventive rule. I would have been the same if there were 5 new accounts voting any other map, it's not an special rule against you.
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand storm
Mi ID de Sc es Magnar#11893. No soy un bot ni una cuenta falsa xd
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On May 07 2023 15:12 Abisgoes wrote:
No soy un bot ni una cuenta falsa xd
We apologize if you feel that we are accusing you of creating fake accounts. I hope you understand that this is a mechanism to prevent others from abusing the system.
Translation of his message:
+ Show Spoiler +I'm not a bot or a fake accouont lol
On May 07 2023 15:12 Abisgoes wrote:
Mi ID de Sc es Magnar#11893. No soy un bot ni una cuenta falsa xd
Oh but in this case, i think you don't need to post your bnet tag because your acccount is from march.
I think only super new new accounts must provide their tags. Am I right?
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Turned my post into a spoiler tag to enhance thread readability:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote:
No it's not offensive, it's actually suspicious. I had the precaution and gave it the benefit of the doubt calling it a zombi horde instead of suspicious, but anyone is going to raise an eyebrow if 5 or so people come out of nowhere voting for x person. Nobody cares if your peruvian or any other nationality.
> I agree On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote:
Then you know it is normal in the internet to look at this voting pattern as suspicious. > I agree On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote:
Well, its a new rule and it looks to be a good way to prevent any abuse. It's not like you would stay silent if I made 10 tl accounts and started voting the other maps right? Common sense man. > I agree On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote:
It's not like they are going to vote someone else if you are asking them to vote right? Let's be realistic here, this is more a zombi rally on you, which I think is ok as long as they are different people from the BW community to some extent. > I agree. omg i might be casing the problem. But i always say "i'm not telling you to explicitly vote for my map" and i always say "please look at the pictures or download the maps, and choose the 2 maps you like the most". I will now write a laaaarger message explaining the essence of competition. And encourage players to vote regardless of the nationallity of the authors. And i will state that voting for a maps just because it's peruvian is something we don't want in this competition. On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote:
No offense to you but this is just ignorant nonsense, sorry. There just a lot of latam users here from waay back. Nobody is thinking this is an anti latino rule. Stop trying to play victim, grow up. > I don't agree. I provided many examples of very well known members from latam who didn't have a TL account like Conan, Oli, Jan, Daliz, etc. I will write a detailed explanation in spanish for you: + Show Spoiler +Te puse varios ejemplos, ni Conan, ni Oli, ni Jan, ni Daliz, tenían cuenta. Seguramente algunos latinos tenemos una cuenta vieja, como tú y yo, pero la gran mayoría no tiene. Esto de la regla anti-latino no lo inventé yo, fue lo que me dijeron cuando les expliqué la regla. Me dijeron «ahh qué xenofóbicos jaja» y tuve el detalle de explicar que es un buen mecanismo para cuidar la legitimidad de la votación. Y no, no es algo que yo inventé para hacerme la víctima. Solo creo que se vería bonito si le pedimos el tag a todos en vez de solo a los nuevos. Porque casi todos los latinos serán siempre nuevos.
Entiendo tu punto, seguramente la comunidad de los jugadores veteranos como tOsKY, DinOt, KiLLeR, Seifer, tienen cuenta en TL. Y seguramente también tienen los más veteranos como KNiF, Trunkz, KeiR o GoTuNk, pero puedes escribirle a cualquier jugador contemporáneo y verás que nunca han tenido la necesidad de crearse una cuenta aquí. Y en esta votación, estamos contactando por discord, twitch y facebook a los jugadores contemporáneos. difícilmente contactaremos a los veteranos porque no sabems dónde ubicarlos. Muchos de los veteranos ya están completamente retirados. Bottom line, just accept it's a decent preventive rule. I would have been the same if there were 5 new accounts voting any other map, it's not an special rule against you. > I accept the rule. I'm just asking if we can set this rule for eveybody, instead of just new accounts. If you want players to vote, we should add this rule to everybody. For example, someone who doesn't play, but only watch StarCraft, can't vote if his accoutn is new. But can vote if his account is old...
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Germany1302 Posts
1. Sandstorm
2. Paranoid Android
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1. Sand Storm
2. Paranoid Android
GonzaLoF#1865
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1. Sandstorm
2. Lights Out
DiDeK#2666
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The great and legendary Bayesiano gives his unconditional support to the following maps:
1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Champion
Sons of the manfinfla, my tag is: Bayesiano #11507
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Mapas muy interesantes 
1- (4)Paranoid Android XXL
2- (4)Lights Out
Vamos testbug :3 !!
Moriita#11368
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On May 07 2023 23:25 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote:
No offense to you but this is just ignorant nonsense, sorry. There just a lot of latam users here from waay back. Nobody is thinking this is an anti latino rule. Stop trying to play victim, grow up. > I don't agree. I provided many examples of very well known members from latam who didn't have a TL account like Conan, Oli, Jan, Daliz, etc. I will write a detailed explanation in spanish for you: + Show Spoiler +Te puse varios ejemplos, ni Conan, ni Oli, ni Jan, ni Daliz, tenían cuenta. Seguramente algunos latinos tenemos una cuenta vieja, como tú y yo, pero la gran mayoría no tiene. Esto de la regla anti-latino no lo inventé yo, fue lo que me dijeron cuando les expliqué la regla. Me dijeron «ahh qué xenofóbicos jaja» y tuve el detalle de explicar que es un buen mecanismo para cuidar la legitimidad de la votación. Y no, no es algo que yo inventé para hacerme la víctima. Solo creo que se vería bonito si le pedimos el tag a todos en vez de solo a los nuevos. Porque casi todos los latinos serán siempre nuevos.
Entiendo tu punto, seguramente la comunidad de los jugadores veteranos como tOsKY, DinOt, KiLLeR, Seifer, tienen cuenta en TL. Y seguramente también tienen los más veteranos como KNiF, Trunkz, KeiR o GoTuNk, pero puedes escribirle a cualquier jugador contemporáneo y verás que nunca han tenido la necesidad de crearse una cuenta aquí. Y en esta votación, estamos contactando por discord, twitch y facebook a los jugadores contemporáneos. difícilmente contactaremos a los veteranos porque no sabems dónde ubicarlos. Muchos de los veteranos ya están completamente retirados. Show nested quote +Bottom line, just accept it's a decent preventive rule. I would have been the same if there were 5 new accounts voting any other map, it's not an special rule against you. > I accept the rule. I'm just asking if we can set this rule for eveybody, instead of just new accounts. If you want players to vote, we should add this rule to everybody. For example, someone who doesn't play, but only watch StarCraft, can't vote if his accoutn is new. But can vote if his account is old...
Spanish
+ Show Spoiler +No tengo nada en contra tuya, solo me parece desapropiado hablar de medidas anti latino y xenofobia. Esos conceptos no corresponden con TL y aunque entiendo tu incomodidad por la nueva regla y por el comentario hablando de "situaciones sospechosas" también creo que es sano para una competencia justa. Hay muchos jugadores latinos que postean en TL partiendo por la latincup y muchos otros que aparecen de vez en cuando, no creo que pedir información adicional para justificar la veracidad de un voto sea antilatino. Si de alguna forma tu conseguiste apoyo externo a tl me parece bien, de todas formas las cuenta nuevas todas tienen que justificarse, sean latinas o no. Por el contrario, si alguien se da el tiempo de crearse una cuenta nueva para votar por ti (u otra persona) no veo como sea más trabajo justificar que participas en alguna comunidad de bw posteando un tag. Como sea, el latino = nuevo no aplica. Exito.
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1 Paranoid Android de Testbug el mejor mapa , Ya gano
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Paranoid Android XXL sure is a pretty cool map, i've never said it is not..
I just don't like this kind of voting promotion shennanigans. Would say the same if anyone incentivized his/hers army of fans to "mass" vote in any other voting contest, be it on YT, fb, twitter, doesn't matter. Not every top4 map maker here can just promote this contest to hundreds (thousands? I know LatAm community is quite big indeed) of viewers which will OBVIOUSLY vote for his map as #1 (because he is a part of the community while other contestants are not).
So it's not like I hate the map or that I'm prejudiced against LatAm.. it's just that I find this kind of stuff.. distasteful. That's all 
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i think mass voting is not somethig possible in this competition. I've contacted dozens of players and they didnt vote.
Yesterday, a Bolivian streamer had more than 900 people watching his stream, and he opened this page, and showed how to vote. He didn't tell his audience to explicitly vote for my map. He just showed some examples from the top part of the page (and he read aloud some votes with the maps sand storm and lights out).
The result: out of more than 900 viewers, only 1 people voted: maxwelldark5. But, guess what, he didn't pick 2 maps, and he didn't provide his bnet tag. So his vote is not valid.
And... the most funny thing: the streamer who spent a couple of minutes showing the page didn't vote 
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Hej M3t4PhYzX, I turned my post into a spoiler tag to enhance thread readability:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2023 21:50 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Paranoid Android XXL sure is a pretty cool map, i've never said it is not.. I just don't like this kind of voting promotion shennanigans. Would say the same if anyone incentivized his/hers army of fans to "mass" vote in any other voting contest, be it on YT, fb, twitter, doesn't matter. Not every top4 map maker here can just promote this contest to hundreds (thousands? I know LatAm community is quite big indeed) of viewers which will OBVIOUSLY vote for his map as #1 (because he is a part of the community while other contestants are not). So it's not like I hate the map or that I'm prejudiced against LatAm.. it's just that I find this kind of stuff.. distasteful. That's all hejjjj M3t4PhYzX I don't have an army of fans. I contacted latinamerican caster and streamers to promote the voting. I guess it's true that some users are voting for my map only because it's a peruvian map... (but isn't there any small possibility they are voting for my map because it's a good map?) + Show Spoiler +I mean, i have won dozens of mapping cometitions in the past, and this is the first time member form latam are voting... furthermore.. even if you remove the suspicious new voters from this thread, my map is still the most voted (by TL users with hundreds of posts), and my map was also the most voted map in the previous round. I made sure these influencers are communicating the right message "vote for your favorite 2 maps" and "we are not asking to excplicitly vote for the peruvian map, just vote for the 2 maps you liked the most" but i think the latam community like to support latam users in any posible situation they can. I will now make sure they say "vote for your favorite 2 maps regardless of the nationality of the map" i hope this will make you guys feel more comfortable. But... if they keep voting for my map... how can i know if they are voting for my map only because it's peruvian or if they are voting for my map because they think it's a good map? =((((( + Show Spoiler +I mean, i already won dozens of mapping competitions where latin american members didn't vote... and.. well... i... i am supposed to be a talented mapper... I'm also the coauthor of the map (2)Champion, and i spent many many hours working on the map (4)Lights out (even if i'm not a coauthor of that map, the author can tell you how much i contribuited to it when it comes to design, balance, pathing, gathering optimization, overlord spots, low groud units vision, nat walls, signage for players, game mechanics, etc) and this 2 maps are also in the top 4 most voted maps together with my map (4)Paranoid Android XXL... so... maybe a map with me as the single author is also supposed to be good map?? and maybe that's why my map has been selected for the BSL 2v2? I mean... isn't there any chance people is voting for my map because they liked it the most?
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Dude, now you have the admins scratching their heads about what to do, as if BW mapping wasn't a niche enough scene for this minidrama to take place.
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Really great competition guys. I would like to see another sequel to this!
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On May 09 2023 22:46 Optimate wrote:
Really great competition guys. I would like to see another sequel to this!
We’ve got some very unique exciting map contests planned!
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand Storm
Mi BT: ArisAZ #1972
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1. Champion(mAziciAn)
2. Sand Storm(Minerals)
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1- (4)Paranoid Android XXL
2- Champion
BT: yOp#11386
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Now we just need Rivalry and Gaema Gowon remade.
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Lights out
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand Storm
BT: llyull#11257
Yu
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1. Paranoid Android XXL
2. Sand Storm
BT: Gosudark#1684
reminds me of my old days
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1. Paranoid Android
2. Champion
Tag: Olipatrick#1785
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On May 05 2023 23:46 Conan1 wrote:
1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Lights Out
Bt: Riquelme#11617
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1.- Sand Storm
2.- Paranoid Android XXL
I'm not a new user
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These votes don’t seem bias at all…. /:
Viva la peru!
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I’m going to drop out of this contest. I don’t want to participate in something so clearly tampered with.
Thank you to the sponsors, and everyone who participated and helped by putting their time and energy into this.
Stay tuned for New Worlds Star League coming soon!
gl hf
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this is exactly what I was talking about
lol
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On May 15 2023 03:57 Conan1 wrote:Bt: Riquelme#11617
Hey nice to see you man!
JDConan
Not sure what's going on with peruvian love but why are we beating it down? So what if they made accounts just to vote for a map they like. What's the problem with that? do you really think they are trying to manipulate a poll? I see so many familiar names also voting for Testbugs map Paranoid Android XXL. Not to mention only 5 pages worth of votes and we are already calling it quits. 10 days before the competition ends.
All of the maps are fantastic creations, and I've been impressed with each and every mapmaker bringing their own flavor to this contest. I'm not sure how this thread turned so sour over the perceived idea that this voting system is rigged. I'm sorry minerals it isn't turning into something you wanted, but maybe we can give credit to a less noticed community on TL. Many of the players have been participating in BWCL and random tournaments from Defiler.ru to their own tournaments such as Deathfates Proleague and Team league.
1.Lights Out
2.Paranoid Android XXL
Battlenet ID: ArtOfTurtle#1343
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Hi, i'm contacting all the new users telling them LATAM can show their support to the StarCraft Community by editing their posts and erasing their votes.
I noticed Paranoid Android is still winning the competition even if we remove thier votes. So, removing their votes won't affect the results.
Removing their votes might affect our relations with the LATAM community, but maybe i can prepare a nice message to them. Explaining we LATAM can win this competition sending love instead of votes (and waiting for european and american voters to decide what's their favorite map).
I asked most of these players why did they vote for my map, and looks like the main reason is this: if they want a 1v1 map, they will pick Sylphid, Eclipse, Vermeer or Poly. But, if they want a 2v2 map, Paranoid Android is a decent option. Paranoid Android has also been selected for the 2v2 BSL, so many LATAM streamers are practicing on PA during their streams. So the LATAM community is seeing that map everyday on facebook/twitch/youtube.
Maybe they just don't see the need of a new 1v1 map... They explicitly told me that if they want a super new 1v1 map for a tournament, they would just use the map Neo Rush Hour (link here: http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=5533) but they would use Neo Rush hour TOGETHER with Sylphid, Eclipse, Vermeer and Poly.
+ Show Spoiler +I also think i accidentally blocked/reduced the chances of voting for a 1v1 map among LATAM voters because i submitted Neo Rush hour to most of the tournaments in LATAM. I've been talking to every tournament organizer asking them to include Neo Rush in their tournaments since january, so the LATAM community is completely aware of the existance of that map. I even sponsored many games on Neo Rush Hour so maybe they just can't find space for another 1v1 map in the short term and mid term
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1. Lights Out
2. Sand Storm
Jesuswhips#1594
I enjoy this popularity contest, I pick maps I have fun playing on as do others.
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I saw a lot of people supporting the "Paraoid Android" map because it's a good map and it was selected by the BSL for 2v2
But the "preference that many mention" is totally out of place because they believe that nationality influences, if they have problems with that kind of thing, they should not claim the participant but the organizers for giving those rules where the public decides which map is the better.
Next time, put special juries to select maps and don't let the Starcraft community vote or select a map, the reason for the vote doesn't matter, the rules are not being broken, everything is within the parameters that the organization set.
They should control their comments more and stop blaming those who are not to blame for having support
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On May 16 2023 11:49 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:Hi, i'm contacting all the new users telling them LATAM can show their support to the StarCraft Community by editing their posts and erasing their votes. I noticed Paranoid Android is still winning the competition even if we remove thier votes. So, removing their votes won't affect the results. Removing their votes might affect our relations with the LATAM community, but maybe i can prepare a nice message to them. Explaining we LATAM can win this competition sending love instead of votes (and waiting for european and american voters to decide what's their favorite map). I asked most of these players why did they vote for my map, and looks like the main reason is this: if they want a 1v1 map, they will pick Sylphid, Eclipse, Vermeer or Poly. But, if they want a 2v2 map, Paranoid Android is a decent option. Paranoid Android has also been selected for the 2v2 BSL, so many LATAM streamers are practicing on PA during their streams. So the LATAM community is seeing that map everyday on facebook/twitch/youtube. Maybe they just don't see the need of a new 1v1 map... They explicitly told me that if they want a super new 1v1 map for a tournament, they would just use the map Neo Rush Hour (link here: http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=5533) but they would use Neo Rush hour TOGETHER with Sylphid, Eclipse, Vermeer and Poly. + Show Spoiler +I also think i accidentally blocked/reduced the chances of voting for a 1v1 map among LATAM voters because i submitted Neo Rush hour to most of the tournaments in LATAM. I've been talking to every tournament organizer asking them to include Neo Rush in their tournaments since january, so the LATAM community is completely aware of the existance of that map. I even sponsored many games on Neo Rush Hour so maybe they just can't find space for another 1v1 map in the short term and mid term
Best thing you could've done is ask the admins whether it would be OK to promote (if that's the right word) the map among X community.
Even if the intention was good, the fact that we have many new users registered specifically to vote in this thread is suspect.
As you can see, you've opened Pandora's box both for the people in the thread and for the LATAM people.
I'm certain that for future map contests with community voting the rules will be more strict, which is a good thing. And the current case will serve as a good but unfortunate example.
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1. Lights out
2. PA
Tough call between PA and sandstorm tbh but i m more of a 2v2 player originally and PA s fantastic in 2v2
On the "controversy", bringing latam members here on TL, and have them vote here is great. We need to bridge that gap.
A South American vote should be worth the same as any other vote. They might be new to TL but most of them gave their ID and they are all well established respected players.
I would vouch for all the ones I know who I've seen in BWCL and Nation wars over the last decade. I can name check all of them if that s needed.
Edit: Having a filter for new accounts in the contest to prevent suspicious activity is fine, having the work around of giving your bnet ID to prove you are a legit player is also great. These votes should count!
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After having asked for further proof as in battle net ID for new users, and having received it, minerals you done goofed this time pulling out of a contest of which you are also an admin of evidently. This is why I learnt early on, never partecipate from the beginning on events you are admin of, just because of exactly these kinds of scenarios. Things spiraled out of control in a way you did not predict. Classic recipe for disaster, and then everyone looses.
Look honestly at test bug and the Latin American users that voted, posted and explained their actions, and you will find nothing but respect, explanations and thoroughly explained posts, from their point of view.
This is a world wide map contest. Nothing wrong was done here, and quite frankly, anyone saying otherwise is full of bullocks.
Newsflash: I voted paranoied Android because it is the best map of this contest and it deserves to win, plus it is a 2vs2 map, it reeks of python, and I’ m loving it. No one contacted me or in any way asked me for a vote, I only know 1 South American sc player by name and have never even dm’ ed with him directly.
Also I am European, Italian to be precise, and I casted my vote, my 2 cents, my opinion, so yeah, sue me.
Or rather, admins please temp ban me, because someone needs to take the fall for this, and I volonteer for that shit.
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On May 16 2023 14:08 ArisAZ wrote:
I saw a lot of people supporting the "Paraoid Android" map because it's a good map and it was selected by the BSL for 2v2
But the "preference that many mention" is totally out of place because they believe that nationality influences, if they have problems with that kind of thing, they should not claim the participant but the organizers for giving those rules where the public decides which map is the better.
Next time, put special juries to select maps and don't let the Starcraft community vote or select a map, the reason for the vote doesn't matter, the rules are not being broken, everything is within the parameters that the organization set.
They should control their comments more and stop blaming those who are not to blame for having support
This is a very strong point.
Ideally, every voter would be completely unbiased, consider every map equally, and vote purely on the quality of the map. Let's not pretend that's anywhere close to how it works when you have open voting, and when there were such a large number of maps in the contest. Maybe a trusted group of high level active players (equal # of each race) could be an alternative in the future.
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1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Luces apagadas
ID battle.net --> xkashinx#1203
Amor y paz, se hacen mucho problema, solo verifiquen si es cuenta vieja o nueva de battle, :D, muchos ya teniamos cuenta y venimos jugando SC hace rato, y conocemos este mapa. <3
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1. PARANOID ANDROID XXL
2. CHAMPION
TAG ZeTy#11266
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On May 17 2023 12:38 Paty1 wrote:
1.- Paranoid Android XXL
2.- Luces apagadas
ID battle.net --> xkashinx#1203
Amor y paz, se hacen mucho problema, solo verifiquen si es cuenta vieja o nueva de battle, :D, muchos ya teniamos cuenta y venimos jugando SC hace rato, y conocemos este mapa. <3
Dear admins, in Spanish, Lights Out is translated as Luces Apagadas. Bolivian female player Tytat wrote Lights Out in Spanish... maybe as a form of protest...
Please do not discard Tytat's vote just because she wrote Lights Out in Spanish 🙏🙏🙏 i'll try to contact her to ask her to please write the map names in english.
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On May 05 2023 13:00 Back2Back wrote:
I like Darude and Radiohead
Hi Back2Back, could you please write Sandstorm instead of Darude, and Paranoid Android instead of Radiohead?
both references were super cool to read, but i think we should try to be clearer in order to help the admins who are counting the votes. 🙏🙏🙏
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On May 17 2023 06:23 pebble444 wrote:
After having asked for further proof as in battle net ID for new users, and having received it, minerals you done goofed this time pulling out of a contest of which you are also an admin of evidently. This is why I learnt early on, never partecipate from the beginning on events you are admin of, just because of exactly these kinds of scenarios. Things spiraled out of control in a way you did not predict. Classic recipe for disaster, and then everyone looses.
Look honestly at test bug and the Latin American users that voted, posted and explained their actions, and you will find nothing but respect, explanations and thoroughly explained posts, from their point of view.
This is a world wide map contest. Nothing wrong was done here, and quite frankly, anyone saying otherwise is full of bullocks.
Newsflash: I voted paranoied Android because it is the best map of this contest and it deserves to win, plus it is a 2vs2 map, it reeks of python, and I’ m loving it. No one contacted me or in any way asked me for a vote, I only know 1 South American sc player by name and have never even dm’ ed with him directly.
Also I am European, Italian to be precise, and I casted my vote, my 2 cents, my opinion, so yeah, sue me.
Or rather, admins please temp ban me, because someone needs to take the fall for this, and I volonteer for that shit.
Out of those newly created accounts, how many have voted for Paranoid Android as their number 1 choice?
In case you enjoy European cinema, I'd recommend watching the movie Jagten (https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2106476/). There's a really nice lesson to be learned from it which is rather applicable in the current case as well.
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I completely understand Minerals in this situation.
What a hilariously sad shitshow.
you've screwed up an actually great and long running contest for no reason but what? niche internet brownie points?
well done, guys
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Disculpen a nosotros los latinos por sumarnos a TL, votar y ser parte de este concurso
No sabíamos que nuestra decisión sea cuestionada y posteriormente quieran omitirla/invalidarla solo porque los votos vienen de Latinos.
Repito en mi post anterior, pongan jurados específicos y no tomen en cuenta al público, porque luego habrá reclamos por ser votos latinos.
Y si hago MENCIÓN porque el 90% de reclamos viene acompañado de la frase "Es latino, de Latam, su nacionalidad"
Es triste que desmerezcan el trabajo de un creador por los votos que pudo conseguir, votos legítimos porque se hicieron dentro de los puntos que puso la organización y no se incumplió nada
Espero analicen y piensen que apartar a la gente con esos comentarios, llevará a que esto se olvide en vez de que crezca y llegué a más gente
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Looks like testbug been doing his homework for this compared to other mapmakers ? He even asked me for advice about his maps. Honestly is impressive he got that many new people to register on TL to vote for his map. And if those voters actually enjoy the maps they voting for i dont really see a problem. I mean is super obvious someone asked them to vote for this but is not against the rules either.
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On May 18 2023 00:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Looks like testbug been doing his homework for this compared to other mapmakers ? He even asked me for advice about his maps. Honestly is impressive he got that many new people to register on TL to vote for his map. And if those voters actually enjoy the maps they voting for i dont really see a problem. I mean is super obvious someone asked them to vote for this but is not against the rules either.
Not swaying votes has always been an agreed upon gentleman’s rule for my contests and this is exactly why. “No cheating” shouldn’t have to be written in the rules. It’s just so out of hand now that the fun in this event has been destroyed, at least for myself. They may continue the nwmc series after this but I plan on moving on. It’s been fun and I applaud the progress the community of mappers have made over the last few years.
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I agree with Aris, the rules must be clear from the beginning and nothing must be assumed. Testbug has not broken any rules.
Please let's avoid comments that sound racist, we are few, let's respect each other.
StarCraft por siempre!!
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Dear voters, please consider this is NOT a "1v1 only" competition. And discarding Paranoid just because it's not playable on 1v1 wouldn't be a good thing. (4)Paranoid Android is a 2v2 map, please don't evaluate it according to the 1v1 meta.
(4)Paranoid Android has been selected for the BSL 2v2 map pool, and offers three different entertaining 2v2 situations depending of the position of your ally!
I still can't belive this Competition has a 2v2 map as one of the top 4!!! And that's amazing! thank you for your votes!
![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093739835472228424/1097746523703488522/Pa18_bwmn.jpg)
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I'm out of touch, what happened to Sandstorm? The only maps I can vote I see from OP are : PA, Chamion and Lights Out.
Anyways:
1. Lights out
2. PA XXL
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On May 18 2023 00:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Looks like testbug been doing his homework for this compared to other mapmakers ? He even asked me for advice about his maps. Honestly is impressive he got that many new people to register on TL to vote for his map. And if those voters actually enjoy the maps they voting for i dont really see a problem. I mean is super obvious someone asked them to vote for this but is not against the rules either.
I think minerals is just being a bad loser here. As long as people from the starcraft community is voting I see no foul play, my only concern is about abusive multiaccounts or non starcraft player/watchers.
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On May 16 2023 14:31 Nirli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2023 11:49 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:Hi, i'm contacting all the new users telling them LATAM can show their support to the StarCraft Community by editing their posts and erasing their votes. I noticed Paranoid Android is still winning the competition even if we remove thier votes. So, removing their votes won't affect the results. Removing their votes might affect our relations with the LATAM community, but maybe i can prepare a nice message to them. Explaining we LATAM can win this competition sending love instead of votes (and waiting for european and american voters to decide what's their favorite map). I asked most of these players why did they vote for my map, and looks like the main reason is this: if they want a 1v1 map, they will pick Sylphid, Eclipse, Vermeer or Poly. But, if they want a 2v2 map, Paranoid Android is a decent option. Paranoid Android has also been selected for the 2v2 BSL, so many LATAM streamers are practicing on PA during their streams. So the LATAM community is seeing that map everyday on facebook/twitch/youtube. Maybe they just don't see the need of a new 1v1 map... They explicitly told me that if they want a super new 1v1 map for a tournament, they would just use the map Neo Rush Hour (link here: http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=5533) but they would use Neo Rush hour TOGETHER with Sylphid, Eclipse, Vermeer and Poly. + Show Spoiler +I also think i accidentally blocked/reduced the chances of voting for a 1v1 map among LATAM voters because i submitted Neo Rush hour to most of the tournaments in LATAM. I've been talking to every tournament organizer asking them to include Neo Rush in their tournaments since january, so the LATAM community is completely aware of the existance of that map. I even sponsored many games on Neo Rush Hour so maybe they just can't find space for another 1v1 map in the short term and mid term Best thing you could've done is ask the admins whether it would be OK to promote (if that's the right word) the map among X community.Even if the intention was good, the fact that we have many new users registered specifically to vote in this thread is suspect. As you can see, you've opened Pandora's box both for the people in the thread and for the LATAM people. I'm certain that for future map contests with community voting the rules will be more strict, which is a good thing. And the current case will serve as a good but unfortunate example.
Why? Competition was fair and square, it's not like he brought his family to vote. Those are Starcraft players nonetheless. Stop being crybabies everywhere, minerals should grow a pair. When did the internet/TL became such a pussy place?
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Hi, i know some people is saying that my map is winning just because of the latin american votes, but even after removing those votes, Paranoid Android is still the most voted.
Please could you consider the idea that my map is winning because it is a good 2v2 map?
Look, if we remove the latin american accounts (including top players like Gosudark, Conan1, ZeTy, Yop, etc) this is the count:
Paranoid Android:
0.5 - masoka82
1.0 - ggByron
0.5 - Mutaller
1.0 - oxKnu
0.5 - maybenexttime
0.5 - neocronx
0.5 - Cruiser0929
1.0 - Culture
0.5 - Darathor
1.0 - RemastrTV
1.0 - tedster
0.5 - fearthequeen
1.0 - Optimate
0.5 - LML
1.0 - Peeano
1.0 - Qikz
0.5 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - bovienchien
0.5 - Chosi
1.0 - pebble444
0.5 - osepu
0.5 - art_of_turtle
0.5 - WGT-Baal
0.5 - outscar
1.0 - Nightmarjoo
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Total: 18 points
Sand Storm:
1.0 - Nirli
0.5 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - masoka82
0.5 - Jenia6109
0.5 - ggByron
1.0 - RedmundR2
1.0 - nOm.Esk4l4de
1.0 - F0rte
1.0 - ShibaT
1.0 - Mutaller
1.0 - Cruiser0929
0.5 - Culture
0.5 - RemastrTV
0.5 - Xyz1109
0.5 - Galacsia
0.5 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - fearthequeen
0.5 - Qikz
1.0 - Chosi
1.0 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - TNWZombie
1.0 - osepu
0.5 - whiskeydingo
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Total: 17.5 points
Champion:
0.5 - Nirli 0.5
1.0 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - Jenia6109
0.5 - Xagec
0.5 - RedmundR2
0.5 - iRkSupperman
0.5 - ShibaT
0.5 - Return
0.5 - oxKnu
1.0 - maybenexttime
1.0 - Darathor
1.0 - Xyz1109
0.5 - VGhost
1.0 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - Suricatta
0.5 - Optimate
1.0 - LML
0.5 - Peeano
1.0 - Malongo
1.0 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - TNWZombie
0.5 - Nightmarjoo
-------------------------
Total: 16.5 points
Lights Out:
1.0 - Xagec
0.5 - nOm.Esk4l4de
0.5 - F0rte
1.0 - iRkSupperman
1.0 - Return
1.0 - neocronx
1.0 - VGhost
1.0 - Galacsia
0.5 - Suricatta
0.5 - tedster
0.5 - Malongo
0.5 - bovienchien
0.5 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - pebble444
1.0 - art_of_turtle
1.0 - whiskeydingo
1.0 - WGT-Baal
1.0 - outscar
-------------------------
Total: 14 points
If we count Latin American top players like Conan1, Yop, Gosudark1, ZeTy, and also Latin American well known Streamers who recently created their TL accounts like YuAnd28 and olipatrick, Paranoid Android is also winning:
Paranoid Android:
0.5 - masoka82
1.0 - ggByron
0.5 - Mutaller
1.0 - oxKnu
0.5 - maybenexttime
0.5 - neocronx
0.5 - Cruiser0929
1.0 - Culture
0.5 - Darathor
1.0 - RemastrTV
1.0 - tedster
0.5 - fearthequeen
1.0 - Optimate
0.5 - LML
1.0 - Peeano
1.0 - Qikz
0.5 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - bovienchien
0.5 - Chosi
1.0 - pebble444
0.5 - osepu
0.5 - art_of_turtle
0.5 - WGT-Baal
0.5 - outscar
1.0 - Nightmarjoo
1.0 - Conan1
1.0 - Yop
1.0 - YuAng28
1.0 - Gosudark1
1.0 - olipatrick
1.0 - ZeTy
-------------------------
Total: 25 points
Sand Storm:
1.0 - Nirli
0.5 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - masoka82
0.5 - Jenia6109
0.5 - ggByron
1.0 - RedmundR2
1.0 - nOm.Esk4l4de
1.0 - F0rte
1.0 - ShibaT
1.0 - Mutaller
1.0 - Cruiser0929
0.5 - Culture
0.5 - RemastrTV
0.5 - Xyz1109
0.5 - Galacsia
0.5 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - fearthequeen
0.5 - Qikz
1.0 - Chosi
1.0 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - TNWZombie
1.0 - osepu
0.5 - whiskeydingo
0.5 - YuAng28
0.5 - Gosudark1
-------------------------
Total: 18.5 points
Champion:
0.5 - Nirli 0.5
1.0 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - Jenia6109
0.5 - Xagec
0.5 - RedmundR2
0.5 - iRkSupperman
0.5 - ShibaT
0.5 - Return
0.5 - oxKnu
1.0 - maybenexttime
1.0 - Darathor
1.0 - Xyz1109
0.5 - VGhost
1.0 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - Suricatta
0.5 - Optimate
1.0 - LML
0.5 - Peeano
1.0 - Malongo
1.0 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - TNWZombie
0.5 - Nightmarjoo
0.5 - Yop
0.5 - olipatrick
0.5 - ZeTy
-------------------------
Total: 18 points
Lights Out:
1.0 - Xagec
0.5 - nOm.Esk4l4de
0.5 - F0rte
1.0 - iRkSupperman
1.0 - Return
1.0 - neocronx
1.0 - VGhost
1.0 - Galacsia
0.5 - Suricatta
0.5 - tedster
0.5 - Malongo
0.5 - bovienchien
0.5 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - pebble444
1.0 - art_of_turtle
1.0 - whiskeydingo
1.0 - WGT-Baal
1.0 - outscar
0.5 - Conan1
-------------------------
Total: 14.5 points
As you can see, there is no difference in the final results.
Finally, if we count all the votes, including new accounts (registered this year) with less than 5 posts, the result is still the same. These votes even increase the gap between Sand Storm and Champion! because most of these voters voted for Sand Storm too:
Paranoid Android:
0.5 - masoka82
1.0 - ggByron
0.5 - Mutaller
1.0 - oxKnu
0.5 - maybenexttime
0.5 - neocronx
0.5 - Cruiser0929
1.0 - Culture
0.5 - Darathor
1.0 - RemastrTV
1.0 - tedster
0.5 - fearthequeen
1.0 - Optimate
0.5 - LML
1.0 - Peeano
1.0 - Qikz
0.5 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - bovienchien
0.5 - Chosi
1.0 - pebble444
0.5 - osepu
0.5 - art_of_turtle
0.5 - WGT-Baal
0.5 - outscar
1.0 - Nightmarjoo
1.0 - Conan1
1.0 - Yop
1.0 - YuAng28
1.0 - Gosudark1
1.0 - olipatrick
1.0 - ZeTy
1.0 - MaxAle
1.0 - Daliz
1.0 - Zerg1982
1.0 - Toffee17
1.0 - Crossfield
1.0 - Abisgoes
0.5 - GonzaLoF
1.0 - bayesiano
1.0 - zayfher
1.0 - ArisAZ
1.0 - Paty1
-------------------------
Total: 34.5 points
Sand Storm:
1.0 - Nirli
0.5 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - masoka82
0.5 - Jenia6109
0.5 - ggByron
1.0 - RedmundR2
1.0 - nOm.Esk4l4de
1.0 - F0rte
1.0 - ShibaT
1.0 - Mutaller
1.0 - Cruiser0929
0.5 - Culture
0.5 - RemastrTV
0.5 - Xyz1109
0.5 - Galacsia
0.5 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - fearthequeen
0.5 - Qikz
1.0 - Chosi
1.0 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - TNWZombie
1.0 - osepu
0.5 - whiskeydingo
0.5 - YuAng28
0.5 - Gosudark1
0.5 - MaxAle
0.5 - Daliz
0.5 - Toffee17
0.5 - Crossfield
0.5 - Abisgoes
1.0 - GonzaLoF
0.5 - ArisAZ
1.0 - Daril
-------------------------
Total: 23.5 points
Champion:
0.5 - Nirli 0.5
1.0 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - Jenia6109
0.5 - Xagec
0.5 - RedmundR2
0.5 - iRkSupperman
0.5 - ShibaT
0.5 - Return
0.5 - oxKnu
1.0 - maybenexttime
1.0 - Darathor
1.0 - Xyz1109
0.5 - VGhost
1.0 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - Suricatta
0.5 - Optimate
1.0 - LML
0.5 - Peeano
1.0 - Malongo
1.0 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - TNWZombie
0.5 - Nightmarjoo
0.5 - Yop
0.5 - olipatrick
0.5 - ZeTy
0.5 - Zerg1982
0.5 - bayesiano
-------------------------
Total: 19 points
Lights Out:
1.0 - Xagec
0.5 - nOm.Esk4l4de
0.5 - F0rte
1.0 - iRkSupperman
1.0 - Return
1.0 - neocronx
1.0 - VGhost
1.0 - Galacsia
0.5 - Suricatta
0.5 - tedster
0.5 - Malongo
0.5 - bovienchien
0.5 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - pebble444
1.0 - art_of_turtle
1.0 - whiskeydingo
1.0 - WGT-Baal
1.0 - outscar
0.5 - Conan1
0.5 - zayfher
0.8 - Paty1
0.5 - Daril
-------------------------
Total: 16 points
Please, Minerals, stop this. You are making the mapping community look unserious.
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On May 20 2023 14:49 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:
Hi, i know some people is saying that my map is winning just because of the latin american votes, but even after removing those votes, Paranoid Android is still the most voted.
Please could you consider the idea that my map is winning because it is a good 2v2 map?
Look, if we remove the latin american accounts (including top players like Gosudark, Conan1, ZeTy, Yop, etc) this is the count:
Paranoid Android:
0.5 - masoka82
1.0 - ggByron
0.5 - Mutaller
1.0 - oxKnu
0.5 - maybenexttime
0.5 - neocronx
0.5 - Cruiser0929
1.0 - Culture
0.5 - Darathor
1.0 - RemastrTV
1.0 - tedster
0.5 - fearthequeen
1.0 - Optimate
0.5 - LML
1.0 - Peeano
1.0 - Qikz
0.5 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - bovienchien
0.5 - Chosi
1.0 - pebble444
0.5 - osepu
0.5 - art_of_turtle
0.5 - WGT-Baal
0.5 - outscar
1.0 - Nightmarjoo
-------------------------
Total: 18 points
Sand Storm:
1.0 - Nirli
0.5 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - masoka82
0.5 - Jenia6109
0.5 - ggByron
1.0 - RedmundR2
1.0 - nOm.Esk4l4de
1.0 - F0rte
1.0 - ShibaT
1.0 - Mutaller
1.0 - Cruiser0929
0.5 - Culture
0.5 - RemastrTV
0.5 - Xyz1109
0.5 - Galacsia
0.5 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - fearthequeen
0.5 - Qikz
1.0 - Chosi
1.0 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - TNWZombie
1.0 - osepu
0.5 - whiskeydingo
-------------------------
Total: 17.5 points
Champion:
0.5 - Nirli 0.5
1.0 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - Jenia6109
0.5 - Xagec
0.5 - RedmundR2
0.5 - iRkSupperman
0.5 - ShibaT
0.5 - Return
0.5 - oxKnu
1.0 - maybenexttime
1.0 - Darathor
1.0 - Xyz1109
0.5 - VGhost
1.0 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - Suricatta
0.5 - Optimate
1.0 - LML
0.5 - Peeano
1.0 - Malongo
1.0 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - TNWZombie
0.5 - Nightmarjoo
-------------------------
Total: 16.5 points
Lights Out:
1.0 - Xagec
0.5 - nOm.Esk4l4de
0.5 - F0rte
1.0 - iRkSupperman
1.0 - Return
1.0 - neocronx
1.0 - VGhost
1.0 - Galacsia
0.5 - Suricatta
0.5 - tedster
0.5 - Malongo
0.5 - bovienchien
0.5 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - pebble444
1.0 - art_of_turtle
1.0 - whiskeydingo
1.0 - WGT-Baal
1.0 - outscar
-------------------------
Total: 14 points
If we count Latin American top players like Conan1, Yop, Gosudark1, ZeTy, and also Latin American well known Streamers who recently created their TL accounts like YuAnd28 and olipatrick, Paranoid Android is also winning:
Paranoid Android:
0.5 - masoka82
1.0 - ggByron
0.5 - Mutaller
1.0 - oxKnu
0.5 - maybenexttime
0.5 - neocronx
0.5 - Cruiser0929
1.0 - Culture
0.5 - Darathor
1.0 - RemastrTV
1.0 - tedster
0.5 - fearthequeen
1.0 - Optimate
0.5 - LML
1.0 - Peeano
1.0 - Qikz
0.5 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - bovienchien
0.5 - Chosi
1.0 - pebble444
0.5 - osepu
0.5 - art_of_turtle
0.5 - WGT-Baal
0.5 - outscar
1.0 - Nightmarjoo
1.0 - Conan1
1.0 - Yop
1.0 - YuAng28
1.0 - Gosudark1
1.0 - olipatrick
1.0 - ZeTy
-------------------------
Total: 25 points
Sand Storm:
1.0 - Nirli
0.5 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - masoka82
0.5 - Jenia6109
0.5 - ggByron
1.0 - RedmundR2
1.0 - nOm.Esk4l4de
1.0 - F0rte
1.0 - ShibaT
1.0 - Mutaller
1.0 - Cruiser0929
0.5 - Culture
0.5 - RemastrTV
0.5 - Xyz1109
0.5 - Galacsia
0.5 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - fearthequeen
0.5 - Qikz
1.0 - Chosi
1.0 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - TNWZombie
1.0 - osepu
0.5 - whiskeydingo
0.5 - YuAng28
0.5 - Gosudark1
-------------------------
Total: 18.5 points
Champion:
0.5 - Nirli 0.5
1.0 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - Jenia6109
0.5 - Xagec
0.5 - RedmundR2
0.5 - iRkSupperman
0.5 - ShibaT
0.5 - Return
0.5 - oxKnu
1.0 - maybenexttime
1.0 - Darathor
1.0 - Xyz1109
0.5 - VGhost
1.0 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - Suricatta
0.5 - Optimate
1.0 - LML
0.5 - Peeano
1.0 - Malongo
1.0 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - TNWZombie
0.5 - Nightmarjoo
0.5 - Yop
0.5 - olipatrick
0.5 - ZeTy
-------------------------
Total: 18 points
Lights Out:
1.0 - Xagec
0.5 - nOm.Esk4l4de
0.5 - F0rte
1.0 - iRkSupperman
1.0 - Return
1.0 - neocronx
1.0 - VGhost
1.0 - Galacsia
0.5 - Suricatta
0.5 - tedster
0.5 - Malongo
0.5 - bovienchien
0.5 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - pebble444
1.0 - art_of_turtle
1.0 - whiskeydingo
1.0 - WGT-Baal
1.0 - outscar
0.5 - Conan1
-------------------------
Total: 14.5 points
As you can see, there is no difference in the final results.
Finally, if we count all the votes, including new accounts (registered this year) with less than 5 posts, the result is still the same. These votes even increase the gap between Sand Storm and Champion! because most of these voters voted for Sand Storm too:
Paranoid Android:
0.5 - masoka82
1.0 - ggByron
0.5 - Mutaller
1.0 - oxKnu
0.5 - maybenexttime
0.5 - neocronx
0.5 - Cruiser0929
1.0 - Culture
0.5 - Darathor
1.0 - RemastrTV
1.0 - tedster
0.5 - fearthequeen
1.0 - Optimate
0.5 - LML
1.0 - Peeano
1.0 - Qikz
0.5 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - bovienchien
0.5 - Chosi
1.0 - pebble444
0.5 - osepu
0.5 - art_of_turtle
0.5 - WGT-Baal
0.5 - outscar
1.0 - Nightmarjoo
1.0 - Conan1
1.0 - Yop
1.0 - YuAng28
1.0 - Gosudark1
1.0 - olipatrick
1.0 - ZeTy
1.0 - MaxAle
1.0 - Daliz
1.0 - Zerg1982
1.0 - Toffee17
1.0 - Crossfield
1.0 - Abisgoes
0.5 - GonzaLoF
1.0 - bayesiano
1.0 - zayfher
1.0 - ArisAZ
1.0 - Paty1
-------------------------
Total: 34.5 points
Sand Storm:
1.0 - Nirli
0.5 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - masoka82
0.5 - Jenia6109
0.5 - ggByron
1.0 - RedmundR2
1.0 - nOm.Esk4l4de
1.0 - F0rte
1.0 - ShibaT
1.0 - Mutaller
1.0 - Cruiser0929
0.5 - Culture
0.5 - RemastrTV
0.5 - Xyz1109
0.5 - Galacsia
0.5 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - fearthequeen
0.5 - Qikz
1.0 - Chosi
1.0 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - TNWZombie
1.0 - osepu
0.5 - whiskeydingo
0.5 - YuAng28
0.5 - Gosudark1
0.5 - MaxAle
0.5 - Daliz
0.5 - Toffee17
0.5 - Crossfield
0.5 - Abisgoes
1.0 - GonzaLoF
0.5 - ArisAZ
1.0 - Daril
-------------------------
Total: 23.5 points
Champion:
0.5 - Nirli 0.5
1.0 - M3t4PhYzX
1.0 - Jenia6109
0.5 - Xagec
0.5 - RedmundR2
0.5 - iRkSupperman
0.5 - ShibaT
0.5 - Return
0.5 - oxKnu
1.0 - maybenexttime
1.0 - Darathor
1.0 - Xyz1109
0.5 - VGhost
1.0 - Just_a_Moth
1.0 - Suricatta
0.5 - Optimate
1.0 - LML
0.5 - Peeano
1.0 - Malongo
1.0 - sTYleZerG-eX
1.0 - TNWZombie
0.5 - Nightmarjoo
0.5 - Yop
0.5 - olipatrick
0.5 - ZeTy
0.5 - Zerg1982
0.5 - bayesiano
-------------------------
Total: 19 points
Lights Out:
1.0 - Xagec
0.5 - nOm.Esk4l4de
0.5 - F0rte
1.0 - iRkSupperman
1.0 - Return
1.0 - neocronx
1.0 - VGhost
1.0 - Galacsia
0.5 - Suricatta
0.5 - tedster
0.5 - Malongo
0.5 - bovienchien
0.5 - ZZZero.O
0.5 - pebble444
1.0 - art_of_turtle
1.0 - whiskeydingo
1.0 - WGT-Baal
1.0 - outscar
0.5 - Conan1
0.5 - zayfher
0.8 - Paty1
0.5 - Daril
-------------------------
Total: 16 points
Please, Minerals, stop this. You are making the mapping community look unserious.
btw, i'm the author of Paranoid Android XXL and coauthor of Champion. I also collaborated with Lights Out (but i'm not a coauthor of Lights Out, I just spent some hours helping the author because he is my friend).
I'm glad to know the 2 maps in which I am an author or co-author are in the grand finals, together with Lights Out, a map in which I spent many hours.
Right now, i'm working on a new version of Lights Out, and we'll use that map on a female tournament!! with female players from different countries!
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On May 20 2023 05:04 outscar wrote:
I'm out of touch, what happened to Sandstorm? The only maps I can vote I see from OP are : PA, Chamion and Lights Out.
Anyways:
1. Lights out
2. PA XXL
exactly, I can't even see sandstorm in the first post, was it pulled?
My vote would have been 1.Sand Storm, 2.Lights out, but if it's been pulled don't worry about it.
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The rules state that
Voting ends May 25, 16:00 CEST / 23:00 KR
Some time after that, the winner should be declared, and so on and so forth; I trust minerals or whoever are the admins of this to do the right thing, and call the shots in a fair and square way; even though you have pulled out, please keep the banner up, and if you want to call it quits after that sure, no problemo.
I trust in you minerals, to do the right thing, and overcome your emotional field; I know you have it in you to do that; think about it;
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I still think Minerals shouldn't have pulled out from the competition last second, even if the results are skewed for obvious reasons.
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Way to make your reputation in the community that of a sore loser. GJ Minerals.
And I even agree to some extent that it's obviously going to lead to biased voting when a participant is promoting the contest to a new audience. But so has Minerals (and other mappers) done as well with the previous rounds of NWMC. Testbug just did it towards a new (and the largest foreign) audience. Makes one wonder if future map contests should have a bit of a different format, which isn't as likely to become a personal popularity contest.
Quite sad for the participants/mappers who aren't direct parties, but still affected by this drama.
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On May 22 2023 05:02 iRkSupperman wrote:
Way to make your reputation in the community that of a sore loser. GJ Minerals.
And I even agree to some extent that it's obviously going to lead to biased voting when a participant is promoting the contest to a new audience. But so has Minerals (and other mappers) done as well with the previous rounds of NWMC. Testbug just did it towards a new (and the largest foreign) audience. Makes one wonder if future map contests should have a bit of a different format, which isn't as likely to become a personal popularity contest.
Quite sad for the participants/mappers who aren't direct parties, but still affected by this drama.
I think latam audience is not even the largest, us and eu are way more relevant overall.
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On May 22 2023 05:08 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2023 05:02 iRkSupperman wrote:
Way to make your reputation in the community that of a sore loser. GJ Minerals.
And I even agree to some extent that it's obviously going to lead to biased voting when a participant is promoting the contest to a new audience. But so has Minerals (and other mappers) done as well with the previous rounds of NWMC. Testbug just did it towards a new (and the largest foreign) audience. Makes one wonder if future map contests should have a bit of a different format, which isn't as likely to become a personal popularity contest.
Quite sad for the participants/mappers who aren't direct parties, but still affected by this drama. I think latam audience is not even the largest, us and eu are way more relevant overall.
Well, my impression is that in raw numbers the Latam scene/playerbase is bigger than the non-Latam foreign scene. Korean streamers face Latam foreigners significantly more than they face non-Latam foreigners, Liquipedia has quite a few more Latam events than non-Latam, etc. Even if it isn't (I don't have solid proof to present right now), it's still a very sizeable scene which normally doesn't post much on TL - so a big shift in the demographics of the vote.
Also hypothetically, Korean mappers could be going around and posting NWMC on fmkorea/ygosu and reach an even bigger audience (who'd presumably vote for "their" maps), but as far as I know, they don't.
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On May 22 2023 05:14 iRkSupperman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2023 05:08 Malongo wrote:On May 22 2023 05:02 iRkSupperman wrote:
Way to make your reputation in the community that of a sore loser. GJ Minerals.
And I even agree to some extent that it's obviously going to lead to biased voting when a participant is promoting the contest to a new audience. But so has Minerals (and other mappers) done as well with the previous rounds of NWMC. Testbug just did it towards a new (and the largest foreign) audience. Makes one wonder if future map contests should have a bit of a different format, which isn't as likely to become a personal popularity contest.
Quite sad for the participants/mappers who aren't direct parties, but still affected by this drama. I think latam audience is not even the largest, us and eu are way more relevant overall. Also hypothetically, Korean mappers could be going around and posting NWMC on fmkorea/ygosu and reach an even bigger audience (who'd presumably vote for "their" maps), but as far as I know, they don't.
We have advertised for voting on EDAC (largest Korean map site) and the ASL forum on afreeca. The participants we got from there didn’t result in a flood of votes for predominantly one map. So far there haven’t been any issues like this and everything has been pretty smooth sailing up until this point.
We’re working on a solution to move forward and probably should shadow TLMC methods from now on.
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The contest is closing early and will post results tomorrow.
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On May 22 2023 11:24 MineraIs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2023 05:14 iRkSupperman wrote:On May 22 2023 05:08 Malongo wrote:On May 22 2023 05:02 iRkSupperman wrote:
Way to make your reputation in the community that of a sore loser. GJ Minerals.
And I even agree to some extent that it's obviously going to lead to biased voting when a participant is promoting the contest to a new audience. But so has Minerals (and other mappers) done as well with the previous rounds of NWMC. Testbug just did it towards a new (and the largest foreign) audience. Makes one wonder if future map contests should have a bit of a different format, which isn't as likely to become a personal popularity contest.
Quite sad for the participants/mappers who aren't direct parties, but still affected by this drama. I think latam audience is not even the largest, us and eu are way more relevant overall. Also hypothetically, Korean mappers could be going around and posting NWMC on fmkorea/ygosu and reach an even bigger audience (who'd presumably vote for "their" maps), but as far as I know, they don't. We have advertised for voting on EDAC (largest Korean map site) and the ASL forum on afreeca. The participants we got from there didn’t result in a flood of votes for predominantly one map. So far there haven’t been any issues like this and everything has been pretty smooth sailing up until this point. We’re working on a solution to move forward and probably should shadow TLMC methods from now on.
A seriously unfortunate turn of events.
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On May 22 2023 17:33 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2023 11:24 MineraIs wrote:On May 22 2023 05:14 iRkSupperman wrote:On May 22 2023 05:08 Malongo wrote:On May 22 2023 05:02 iRkSupperman wrote:
Way to make your reputation in the community that of a sore loser. GJ Minerals.
And I even agree to some extent that it's obviously going to lead to biased voting when a participant is promoting the contest to a new audience. But so has Minerals (and other mappers) done as well with the previous rounds of NWMC. Testbug just did it towards a new (and the largest foreign) audience. Makes one wonder if future map contests should have a bit of a different format, which isn't as likely to become a personal popularity contest.
Quite sad for the participants/mappers who aren't direct parties, but still affected by this drama. I think latam audience is not even the largest, us and eu are way more relevant overall. Also hypothetically, Korean mappers could be going around and posting NWMC on fmkorea/ygosu and reach an even bigger audience (who'd presumably vote for "their" maps), but as far as I know, they don't. We have advertised for voting on EDAC (largest Korean map site) and the ASL forum on afreeca. The participants we got from there didn’t result in a flood of votes for predominantly one map. So far there haven’t been any issues like this and everything has been pretty smooth sailing up until this point. We’re working on a solution to move forward and probably should shadow TLMC methods from now on. A seriously unfortunate turn of events.
Stay tuned
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1. Paranoid Android. love it for 2x2
2. Champion. love it for 1x1
❤️❤️❤️❤️ spread love ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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1. Paranoid Android
2. Champion
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1. Paranoid Andriod
2. Champion
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Results are
1)PA
2)Sandstorm
3)Champion
4)Lights Out
Congratulations jOjO on winning best new mapper with Lights Out!
An additional shout out to Suri for breakout mapper of the year with major improvements!
Stay Tuned for the announcement of New Worlds Star League!
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On May 23 2023 10:35 MineraIs wrote:
Results are
1)PA
2/3)Sandstorm or Champion
4)Lights Out
Congratulations jOjO on winning best new mapper with Lights Out!
An additional shout out to Suri for breakout mapper of the year with major improvements!
Stay Tuned for the announcement of New Worlds Star League!
Sounds good
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1. Lights Out
2. Paranoid Android
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Updated the map pack to include Paranoid Android 2.1
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